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JCMElway · 01-23-2011, 08:12 AM

Do we get a shot at Fairley, or is Bowers our guy?

If we really want Fairley, should we trade up to take him? Or does Carolina go another way?

And this is a two guy discussion for the Broncs, right? Isn't it foolish to think of anyone else here?

oubronco · 01-23-2011, 08:50 AM

Dareus would be in the mix as well as Peterson but if it were me making the call i'd go with Dareus

Hercules Rockefeller · 01-23-2011, 09:08 AM

It's not worth trading up to the top pick. Do not quote the retarded pick chart, it'll cost more than a 2nd.

Bowers is not the pick if they're still a 3-4 team.

A 3-4 end is not worth the 2nd pick.

I'd take Peterson.

Finger Roll · 01-23-2011, 02:28 PM

If we go back to the 4-3 than I think it will be Bowers.

WABronco · 01-23-2011, 03:19 PM

I like having multiple studs to choose from.

BowlenBall · 01-23-2011, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WABronco

I like having multiple studs to choose from.

primetime714 · 01-23-2011, 07:43 PM

A trade back is a big possibility especially if the Panthers take Fairley. I could definitely see some team trying to trade up for their choice of QB. If let's say Arizona really wants Gabbert and doesn't want to risk Buffalo or Cincy taking him we could easily milk a high 2nd and perhaps another pick out of them. And still get one of Peterson, Bowers, or Dareus at 5.

Personally I'm starting to think that's the smart play here. Putting all our eggs in the basket of one player at 2 may not make the most sense. Fairley and Bowers both come with some big question marks. Peterson seems like a safe bet, but a CB at #2 when we need so much help in the trenches?

When there's no clear choice at your spot you have to see what you can get for the pick. This would be a great draft to pick up some extra picks in.

Arkie · 01-23-2011, 08:44 PM

Take Fairley or Bowers or trade back. No CB has ever gone #2.

mhgaffney · 01-25-2011, 03:00 AM

I checked out the available tape at Youtube for Dareus and Bowers.

These are both good kids. No characters issues I could see. No head trips. Very coachable kids.

I'm still wary of Fairley. The last thing we need is a head tripper.

Schism · 01-25-2011, 04:23 AM

At this moment in time, my approach would be.

Plan A - Fairley.

Plan B - Trade back 2-4 spots and pick up some additional picks, select Dareus. If someone snags him before our pick, take Peterson.

Plan C - Bowers.

Trading down isn't going to be easy if Fairley is gone, I'd take Bowers and roll with a Dumervil, Ayers, Bowers rotation at DE.

Still, pretty certain I'll feel differently come April. So much will change in the coming months.

oubronco · 01-25-2011, 06:45 AM

Just take Dareus and be done with it

Rohirrim · 01-25-2011, 07:47 AM

I just hope it's not a CB.

PRBronco · 01-25-2011, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I just hope it's not a CB.

But Champ locks down half the field omg!! And another CB would lock down half the field! Then we would lock down two halves of the field and there would be nowhere to play!

epicSocialism4tw · 01-25-2011, 09:49 AM

I think they'll try to trade back, but wont find what they want in return.

They'll pick Fairley if he's there and if he's not, they'll take Bowers.

oubronco · 01-27-2011, 11:36 AM

BowlenBall · 01-28-2011, 06:43 AM

The more I look at the first round talent in 2011, the more I'm convinced we've got to trade back.

Would you rather have:

#2: Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn

or

#20: Stephen Paea, DT, Cal
#40: Phil (not Marvin) Taylor, DT, Baylor
#60: Christian Ballard, DE, Iowa

mikey555 · 01-28-2011, 07:09 AM

We should pick Peterson IMO

listopencil · 01-28-2011, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by PRBronco

But Champ locks down half the field omg!! And another CB would lock down half the field! Then we would lock down two halves of the field and there would be nowhere to play!

I keep hearing over and over again how deep this draft is at D-Line. Why not take Peterson at #2 and use our later picks on the line?

PRBronco · 01-28-2011, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

I keep hearing over and over again how deep this draft is at D-Line. Why not take Peterson at #2 and use our later picks on the line?

Read some posts by Drek or Mediator, they're much more eloquent and knowledgeable on the subject.

PRBronco · 01-28-2011, 10:03 AM

So what's the deal with Bowers anyway? For years during the Shanahan era I dreamed of the team being in position to get the top DE available. I just don't find him a very exciting prospect. Anyone have any insight on him?

epicSocialism4tw · 01-28-2011, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by PRBronco

So what's the deal with Bowers anyway? For years during the Shanahan era I dreamed of the team being in position to get the top DE available. I just don't find him a very exciting prospect. Anyone have any insight on him?

I only know what I have seen. I'm not an ACC guy or a Clemson fan, and I have only rarely seen him play.

He looks like the top player in the draft to me. He's massive, explosive, quick, powerful, uses his hands well, has long arms, has a high motor, plays against the pass and the run...he's the total package. He also seems pretty intelligent and is a fun guy.

I have read, however, that he takes plays off. Thats a bit of a red flag.

PRBronco · 01-28-2011, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

I only know what I have seen. I'm not an ACC guy or a Clemson fan, and I have only rarely seen him play.

He looks like the top player in the draft to me. He's massive, explosive, quick, powerful, uses his hands well, has long arms, has a high motor, plays against the pass and the run...he's the total package. He also seems pretty intelligent and is a fun guy.

I have read, however, that he takes plays off. Thats a bit of a red flag.

Drat. I've heard stuff like that about him, but I also heard he really turned over a new leaf this year. I wonder if his effort got more consistent.

Thanks for the rundown though!

Broncojef · 01-28-2011, 11:52 AM

Take the biggest difference maker you can find for the middle...be it Fairley, Bowers, Dareus etc...just take a fat boy of your choosing and don't look back. Would love to see Heyward or Taylor in the second as well.

epicSocialism4tw · 01-28-2011, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Broncojef

Take the biggest difference maker you can find for the middle...be it Fairley, Bowers, Dareus etc...just take a fat boy of your choosing and don't look back. Would love to see Heyward or Taylor in the second as well.

I like this philosophy!

Someone notify Elway and get him on board.

primetime714 · 01-28-2011, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ExpatFan

The more I look at the first round talent in 2011, the more I'm convinced we've got to trade back.

Would you rather have:

#2: Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn

or

#20: Stephen Paea, DT, Cal
#40: Marvin Taylor, DT, Baylor
#60: Christian Ballard, DE, Iowa

I'd take Fairley. No question. The other three guys could all be solid NFL contributors, but Fairley has star potential and could be a true difference maker. Also I think alot of those other guys are better suited to a 3-4 defense and I expect we'll be using more 4-3.

01-23-2011, 08:12 AM	#1
JCMElway Moderate-erator Dominate! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 6,867 Adopt-a-Bronco: Oleg	And the Broncs pick at #2 overall is..... Do we get a shot at Fairley, or is Bowers our guy? If we really want Fairley, should we trade up to take him? Or does Carolina go another way? And this is a two guy discussion for the Broncs, right? Isn't it foolish to think of anyone else here?

01-28-2011, 06:43 AM	#16
BowlenBall Owner. Philanthropist. Pimp. Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 4,347 Adopt-a-Bronco: Lucas Reed	The more I look at the first round talent in 2011, the more I'm convinced we've got to trade back. Would you rather have: #2: Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn or #20: Stephen Paea, DT, Cal #40: Phil (not Marvin) Taylor, DT, Baylor #60: Christian Ballard, DE, Iowa Last edited by BowlenBall; 01-30-2011 at 08:59 PM..

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01-23-2011, 08:50 AM	#2
oubronco John Foneco !! Mile High Magic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sooner Country Posts: 20,604	Dareus would be in the mix as well as Peterson but if it were me making the call i'd go with Dareus

01-23-2011, 09:08 AM	#3
Hercules Rockefeller Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 16,005 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	It's not worth trading up to the top pick. Do not quote the retarded pick chart, it'll cost more than a 2nd. Bowers is not the pick if they're still a 3-4 team. A 3-4 end is not worth the 2nd pick. I'd take Peterson.

01-23-2011, 02:28 PM	#4
Finger Roll Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,321	If we go back to the 4-3 than I think it will be Bowers.

01-23-2011, 03:19 PM	#5
WABronco WE SUCK AGAIN All dat force Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 4,976	I like having multiple studs to choose from.

01-23-2011, 07:43 PM	#7
primetime714 Rookie New to the Forum Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 97 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	A trade back is a big possibility especially if the Panthers take Fairley. I could definitely see some team trying to trade up for their choice of QB. If let's say Arizona really wants Gabbert and doesn't want to risk Buffalo or Cincy taking him we could easily milk a high 2nd and perhaps another pick out of them. And still get one of Peterson, Bowers, or Dareus at 5. Personally I'm starting to think that's the smart play here. Putting all our eggs in the basket of one player at 2 may not make the most sense. Fairley and Bowers both come with some big question marks. Peterson seems like a safe bet, but a CB at #2 when we need so much help in the trenches? When there's no clear choice at your spot you have to see what you can get for the pick. This would be a great draft to pick up some extra picks in.

01-23-2011, 08:44 PM	#8
Arkie Ring of Famer Gggggrrrrrr rrrraaaahhh Arrrrhhhn. Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 9,082 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quinton Carter	Take Fairley or Bowers or trade back. No CB has ever gone #2.

01-25-2011, 03:00 AM	#9
mhgaffney Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,770	I checked out the available tape at Youtube for Dareus and Bowers. These are both good kids. No characters issues I could see. No head trips. Very coachable kids. I'm still wary of Fairley. The last thing we need is a head tripper.

01-25-2011, 04:23 AM	#10
Schism Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,920 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	At this moment in time, my approach would be. Plan A - Fairley. Plan B - Trade back 2-4 spots and pick up some additional picks, select Dareus. If someone snags him before our pick, take Peterson. Plan C - Bowers. Trading down isn't going to be easy if Fairley is gone, I'd take Bowers and roll with a Dumervil, Ayers, Bowers rotation at DE. Still, pretty certain I'll feel differently come April. So much will change in the coming months.

01-25-2011, 06:45 AM	#11
oubronco John Foneco !! Mile High Magic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sooner Country Posts: 20,604	Just take Dareus and be done with it

01-25-2011, 07:47 AM	#12
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,842	I just hope it's not a CB.

01-25-2011, 09:49 AM	#14
epicSocialism4tw Tebowing the long haul all the way to the title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX, USA Posts: 37,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	I think they'll try to trade back, but wont find what they want in return. They'll pick Fairley if he's there and if he's not, they'll take Bowers.

01-27-2011, 11:36 AM	#15
oubronco John Foneco !! Mile High Magic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sooner Country Posts: 20,604

01-28-2011, 07:09 AM	#17
mikey555 Rookie New to the Forum Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 55 Adopt-a-Bronco: Norris Weese	We should pick Peterson IMO

01-28-2011, 10:03 AM	#20
PRBronco FML less Join Date: May 2004 Location: North Vancouver Posts: 4,206 Adopt-a-Bronco: I'm so alone	So what's the deal with Bowers anyway? For years during the Shanahan era I dreamed of the team being in position to get the top DE available. I just don't find him a very exciting prospect. Anyone have any insight on him?

01-28-2011, 11:52 AM	#23
Broncojef Ring of Famer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Great White North Posts: 3,020	Take the biggest difference maker you can find for the middle...be it Fairley, Bowers, Dareus etc...just take a fat boy of your choosing and don't look back. Would love to see Heyward or Taylor in the second as well.