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Here's a great article by TJ "The Dude" Johnson over at IAOFM.
Really raises some great questions. Have a read... http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/bron...ers-experience Quote:
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I enjoyed this line:
Xanders has contradicted himself because he's an opportunist. QFT.
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Great article. Pretty much nails it.
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cakn patna
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Obviously something is amiss with the Xanders situation. He's the odd man out in the new organization. But I don't believe for a second that Elway doesn't realize the man's shortcomings. He's keeping him on staff because the draft is a year-long process that's 70% over, and overhauling the personnel department right now could easily mess up a really important draft. I suspect Elway thinks that Xanders is a decent enough personnel man, and with himself and Fox to contribute to the major decisions, they have enough brain trust in the building to make this draft day a success. But I bet they'll end up ultimately replacing him with a GM who's a better fit.
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Again, this is more of an indictment of the "Broncos Way" than Xanders. If Xanders has real GM power and only answers to Elway, and if the Broncos continue to lose, the finger will be pointed squarely at Elway and Bowlen, why? Because they didn't hire a true GM to begin with.
I'm sure Xanders will be scapegoated if the team doesn't win due to a lack or talent on the field. That being said, the Broncos know it's much, much, much better if Xanders succeeds in his job and I'm pretty damn sure Elway knows this too. If Xanders fails then the Broncos fail and Elway and Bowlen fails. What is the front office gonna do next if Xanders tanks, bring in a real GM to clean house?? Fact is Xander's success is imperative moving forward and the Broncos know this. They will do what it takes to make sure Xanders is successful, and Fox is the first step in that direction. |
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Swish.
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How hard is it really to be a GM? Outside of knowing the CBA, contract law, and player monetary values, any diehard fan could do it in my opinion.
I mean, how hard is it draft a player? Or sign a player that has been performing? When you have 20 dedicated scouts telling you this or that player is the man, all you really have to do is pull the trigger. I don't believe Xanders is as big a buffoon as people make him out to be. He's a football guy through and through. Been doing this for years. Is he going to take Dontay Moch with the 2nd overall pick? No. If you look at Xanders picks the past two years, they haven't been great, but they have been that bad outside a couple of moves (which every GM has to go through). If Xanders can go follow the Pittsburgh model of consistency with coaching and developing their own players, we should be alright. |
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Its an interesting article, but honestly its a bit silly for people to want to know what decisions were all McDaniels and which Xanders was on board with. It was a completely different situation. McDaniels couldn't work with Cutler, Marshall, and Hillis. They didn't fit with his philosophy and his scheme. Xanders couldn't change Josh's personality or coaching if Josh was to stay it was clear those guys would have to go. And if you look at the returns we got in those trades we got decent value for how those players performed under McDaniels. I mean Hillis barely was given an opportunity under McD and that's why we got nothing for him. Cutler and Marshall both provided nice returns in terms of draft pick compensation.
Mike Nolan and McD also clashed. I'm sure any GM would've wanted to keep a defensive coordinator like Nolan, but if the head coach can't work with him and the GM answers to the coach what do you think is going to happen? The one thing I'd like to know about is his invovlement in the drafts and free agency. I think those are the areas he could've had more involvement in. Our drafts under McD were not great, but also not terrible. I mean in two years we got what should be about 5 starters on offense (Tebow, Moreno, Walton, Beadles, and Thomas) and 2 or so on defense (Ayers, Cox, Bruton/McBath). In free agency the team was moderately successful with Dawkins, Lloyd, Bannan, Gaffney, and others. So from what I can tell on matters that Xanders might actually have had some control over the team didn't do too poorly. Not great, but let's remember that Josh set the philosophy and direction of this team and in doing so he burned some bridges and forced some personnel changes. Why then do the Broncos hide Xanders involvement? It's likely cause he was on board with the moves because with Josh at the helm the team didn't exactly have alternatives there and besides anyone that even remotely clashed with Josh was immediately shipped out the door. Would it have been a smart move for Xanders to stand up to Josh? Not at all. He likely kept his head down and mostly just ran our scouting department and a lot of the day-to-day stuff. Not awe inspiring work, but the Broncos are placing blame on McDaniels because he deserves most if not all of it. I personally am willing to give Xanders a chance. Is he the best candidate for the job, no probably not. However I do feel like he has the ability to work within the collaborative front office setup the Broncos are working to build and that's why they kept him. |
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blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah......xanders is a p***Y, thats why they hired elway blah blah blah.
some people like the sound of their own voice |
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Maybe I missed it, But why is this a GREAT article
Appears to me that the guy was never really onboard with Xanders in the first place. |
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It is what it Is.
Join Date: Apr 2001
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This guy read my mail.
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I don't think Xanders is totally inept, otherwise he would've been out by now.
I don't think he'll be working with an ultimatum over his head either. I'm not sure the way things are going to work is by putting a lot on his plate to see how he handles it. I also don't think he'll have veto power on personnel decisions during the draft. I think is going to be by general concensus and mutual agreement. Last edited by strafen; 01-22-2011 at 08:53 PM.. |
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Perennial Pro-bowler
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This article is a bunch of BS. What the hell is left to know about Xanders? It's pretty damn simple. Bowlen/Ellis gave all the power to ****head because they bought into his brilliant offensive mind and plan. ****head made all of the decisions, collected yes men and failed miserably. Xanders didn't have the balls to stick up to ****head, Nolan did. End of McD era in Denver.
The Duke was brought in to wreck shop. |
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xanders is like a us army general or anyone in the presidents staff who disagrees with the commander in chief.
if you feel That strongly. resign. and quit collecting the full paycheck. |
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Xanders has much to prove. If he was too weak to call the shots under McD then he might be too weak to call the shots under Elway. Point being, the man has to make his presence known and he has to stick by his guns. If the Broncos fail on the talent side of the ball then he will be scapegoated. However, if the Broncos succeed in having a talented team that Fox can coach up, then Xanders will have the ability to build his resume and perhaps stay with the Broncos or go to a team that will be more traditionally set up. There's no more excuses for Xanders, he needs to make decisions, enforce those decisions and let Elway just be the PR guy. If he tanks, at least he goes down swinging with no regrets... |
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It is what it Is.
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That will be a challenge for him because he can't even handle soft ball question from a local radio person.
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Overall, it's a pretty specious article.
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Free Safety
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I agree with the theory he's a future patsy, kept around as insurance to scapegoat later if things don't turn around fast enough. It's actually a good idea if you think about it.
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