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Old 01-22-2011, 05:55 AM   #1
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Default Draft Retrospective #3: First Round Class of 2002

3rd one up for discussion.

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Sel #	Player	Position	School	Team
1	David Carr	QB	Fresno State	Houston Texans
2	Julius Peppers	DE	North Carolina	Carolina Panthers
3	Joey Harrington	QB	Oregon	Detroit Lions
4	Mike Williams	T	Texas	Buffalo Bills
5	Quentin Jammer	DB	Texas	San Diego Chargers
6	Ryan Sims	DT	North Carolina	Kansas City Chiefs
7	Bryant McKinnie	T	Miami (Fla.)	Minnesota Vikings
8	Roy Williams	FS	Oklahoma	Dallas Cowboys
9	John Henderson	DT	Tennessee	Jacksonville Jaguars
10	Levi Jones	T	Arizona State	Cincinnati Bengals
11	Dwight Freeney	DE	Syracuse	Indianapolis Colts
12	Wendell Bryant	DT	Wisconsin	Arizona Cardinals
13	Donte' Stallworth	WR	Tennessee	New Orleans Saints
14	Jeremy Shockey	TE	Miami (Fla.)	New York Giants
15	Albert Haynesworth	DT	Tennessee	Tennessee Titans
16	William Green	RB	Boston College	Cleveland Browns
17	Phillip Buchanon	CB	Miami (Fla.)	Oakland Raiders
18	T.J. Duckett	RB	Michigan State	Atlanta Falcons
19	Ashley Lelie	WR	Hawaii	Denver Broncos
20	Javon Walker	WR	Florida State	Green Bay Packers
21	Daniel Graham	TE	Colorado	New England Patriots
22	Bryan Thomas	DE	Alabama-Birmingham	New York Jets
23	Napoleon Harris	MLB	Northwestern	Oakland Raiders
24	Ed Reed	SS	Miami (Fla.)	Baltimore Ravens
25	Charles Grant	DE	Georgia	New Orleans Saints
26	Lito Sheppard	CB	Florida	Philadelphia Eagles
27	Mike Rumph	DB	Miami (Fla.)	San Francisco 49ers
28	Jerramy Stevens	TE	Washington	Seattle Seahawks
29	Marc Colombo	T	Boston College	Chicago Bears
30	Kendall Simmons	G	Auburn	Pittsburgh Steelers
31	Robert Thomas	OLB	UCLA	St. Louis Rams
32	Patrick Ramsey	QB	Tulane	Washington Redskins
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Old 01-22-2011, 06:00 AM   #2
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While Henderson and Freeney are good players the big question here to me at least is Peppers v. Ed Reed.

I'd personally have to go with Reed, but Peppers might beat him out if Reed has to hang 'em up soon and Peppers plays like he did this year for Chicago. Up to this season though Peppers has been a very good DE that took plays off. Reed meanwhile was arguably the best defensive back period in the entire league for a good chunk of time and is a game changer when he gets the ball in his hands.
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:12 AM   #3
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Peppers i think is the clear winner here, ashley lelie a clear loser... sucks to be us for all those years
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No question, the best pick has to be Ed Reed. Julius Peppers has been a very good player, but Ed Reed is a first-ballot hall of famer.
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No question, the best pick has to be Ed Reed. Julius Peppers has been a very good player, but Ed Reed is a first-ballot hall of famer.
Agreed.

Reed.
Peppers.
Freeney.
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Old 01-22-2011, 10:41 AM   #7
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Man, The Vols had a nasty D line that year.
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Old 01-22-2011, 06:18 PM   #8
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The Vols had Henderson/Haynesworth, and Georgia had Seymour/Stroud the previous year. Then the Jags had Henderson/Stroud in the following years. It's like a monopoly on these four.
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Old 01-22-2011, 06:34 PM   #9
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1 David Carr - DUD
2 Julius Peppers STUD
3 Joey Harrington DUD
4 Mike Williams DUD
5 Quentin Jammer STUD
6 Ryan Sims DT DUD
7 Bryant McKinnie STUD
8 Roy Williams STUD
9 John Henderson STUD
10 Levi Jones T DUD
11 Dwight Freeney STUD
12 Wendell Bryant DUD
13 Donte' Stallworth DUD/STUD
14 Jeremy Shockey TE STUD
15 Albert Haynesworth STUD
16 William Green RB DUD
17 Phillip Buchanon CB DUD
18 T.J. Duckett RB DUD
19 Ashley Lelie WR DUD
20 Javon Walker WR STUD
21 Daniel Graham TE STUD
22 Bryan Thomas DE DUD
23 Napoleon Harris MLB STUD
24 Ed Reed SS STUD
25 Charles Grant DE STUD
26 Lito Sheppard CB STUD
27 Mike Rumph DB STUD
28 Jerramy Stevens TE STUD
29 Marc Colombo T STUD
30 Kendall Simmons G DUD
31 Robert Thomas OLB DUD
32 Patrick Ramsey QB DUD


DUD- Didn't make even a little bit of a difference
STUD- Have at least a couple years of being a starter/contributor for their team. But I hate Lelie so...


All in all that was a very deep draft with a ton of good players in the first round.
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14 duds in round one.

That's 43% of the class = dud

It that typical of most years?
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Did we have picks 19, 20, 21 and 32 on the same team at the same time,
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Did we have picks 19, 20, 21 and 32 on the same team at the same time,
Lelie was shipped out in the off-season prior to '06, we signed Graham and Ramsey in the spring prior to '07.
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Did not realize that Javon was picked right behind Ashley. A lot of fail in this draft. One of my favorite past times is to look back at the drafts and redraft the broncos picks to create the best possible outcome. Sad but true.
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Good Lord. Deltha O'Neal, Willie Middlebrooks, Ashlie Lelie. I feel like crying.
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Good Lord. Deltha O'Neal, Willie Middlebrooks, Ashlie Lelie. I feel like crying.
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Did we have picks 19, 20, 21 and 32 on the same team at the same time,
Lelie was shipped out in the off-season prior to '06, we signed Graham and Ramsey in the spring prior to '07.
And Gaffney was pick No. 33...
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While Henderson and Freeney are good players the big question here to me at least is Peppers v. Ed Reed.



I'd personally have to go with Reed, but Peppers might beat him out if Reed has to hang 'em up soon and Peppers plays like he did this year for Chicago. Up to this season though Peppers has been a very good DE that took plays off. Reed meanwhile was arguably the best defensive back period in the entire league for a good chunk of time and is a game changer when he gets the ball in his hands.
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While Henderson and Freeney are good players the big question here to me at least is Peppers v. Ed Reed.



I'd personally have to go with Reed, but Peppers might beat him out if Reed has to hang 'em up soon and Peppers plays like he did this year for Chicago. Up to this season though Peppers has been a very good DE that took plays off. Reed meanwhile was arguably the best defensive back period in the entire league for a good chunk of time and is a game changer when he gets the ball in his hands.
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Just a quick re-ordering, based only on the players taken in the first round...so not taking into account that Brian Westbrook would have been taken in the first round and not the third, if there was an actual do-over...

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Sel #	Player        	Pos.	School       	Team
1	Ed Reed     	SS	Miami (Fla.)	Houston Texans
2	Julius Peppers	DE	North Carolina	Carolina Panthers
3	Dwight Freeney	DE	Syracuse	Detroit Lions
4	Bryant McKinnie	T	Miami (Fla.)	Buffalo Bills
5	A. Haynesworth	DT	Tennessee	San Diego Chargers
6	Charles Grant	DE	Georgia     	Kansas City Chiefs
7	John Henderson	DT	Tennessee	Minnesota Vikings
8	Roy Williams	FS	Oklahoma	Dallas Cowboys
9	Levi Jones	T	Arizona State	Jacksonville Jaguars
10	Quentin Jammer	DB	Texas        	Cincinnati Bengals
11	Jeremy Shockey	TE	Miami (Fla.)	Indianapolis Colts
12	P. Buchanon	CB	Miami (Fla.)	Arizona Cardinals
13	Bryan Thomas	DE	Ala.-Birmingham	New Orleans Saints
14	Daniel Graham	TE	Colorado	New York Giants
15	Javon Walker	WR	Florida State	Tennessee Titans
16	D. Stallworth	WR	Tennessee	Cleveland Browns
17	Ashley Lelie	WR	Hawaii       	Oakland Raiders
18	Jerramy Stevens	TE	Washington	Atlanta Falcons
19	Lito Sheppard	CB	Florida       	Denver Broncos
20	Kendall Simmons	G	Auburn      	Green Bay Packers
21	Robert Thomas	OLB	UCLA         	New England Patriots
22	Napoleon Harris	MLB	Northwestern	New York Jets
23	Mike Williams	T	Texas        	Oakland Raiders
24	T.J. Duckett	RB	Michigan State	Baltimore Ravens
25	Marc Colombo	T	Boston College	New Orleans Saints
26	Mike Rumph	DB	Miami (Fla.)	Philadelphia Eagles
27	Ryan Sims	DT	North Carolina	San Francisco 49ers
28	Patrick Ramsey	QB	Tulane       	Seattle Seahawks
29	David Carr	QB	Fresno State	Chicago Bears
30	Joey Harrington	QB	Oregon      	Pittsburgh Steelers
31	Wendell Bryant	DT	Wisconsin	St. Louis Rams
32	William Green	RB	Boston College	Washington Redskins
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What a crappy quarterback class. The best of the bunch is David Garrard.

Because I'm a geek, and was curious. Combined 60,561 yards, 319 TDs, 304 INTs, 795 sacks for 5,003 yards lost, 227 fumbles, 90 lost...for 15 players combined. A combined QB rating of 74.8.

Without Garrard's numbers...44,558 yards, 230 TDs, 250 INTs, 71.4 rating, 69 lost fumbles.
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