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Old 05-31-2013, 06:06 PM   #1
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After analyzing data released by Wisconsin’s Medicaid program,
the Democratic staff of the U.S. House Committee on
Education and the Workforce estimates that a single 300-
person Wal-Mart Supercenter store in Wisconsin likely costs
taxpayers at least $904,542 per year and could cost
taxpayers up to $1,744,590 per year – about $5,815 per
employee.

http://democrats.edworkforce.house.g...rt-May2013.pdf
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3365814.html
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Old 05-31-2013, 06:08 PM   #2
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After analyzing data released by Wisconsin’s Medicaid program,
the Democratic staff of the U.S. House Committee on
Education and the Workforce estimates that a single 300-
person Wal-Mart Supercenter store in Wisconsin likely costs
taxpayers at least $904,542 per year and could cost
taxpayers up to $1,744,590 per year – about $5,815 per
employee.

http://democrats.edworkforce.house.g...rt-May2013.pdf
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3365814.html
...and meets the needs of consumers wanting a large variety of cheap stuff...
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Old 05-31-2013, 06:51 PM   #3
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Does Walmart pay that much less then Kmart, Target etc? At least the people there are working. People who don't work cost us a lot more and without Walmart where would these people go and work? We should thank them for having a business model that works to hire thousands of unskilled workers.
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All boosting the pay would do is lead to a bunch of layoffs. Raising the min wage too high will be harmefull to law wage workers. Its better to work at walmart and need some food stamps for your 8 kids rather then sit at home and still need food stamps for your 8 kids. At least they are working and trying to do the right thing. I have a bigger problem with the people who don't work and get food stamps and assistance. Also funny to see dems pissed about it when they hustle around to get more and more people on food stamps. Food stamps rolls have increased what double? That isn't walmarts fault.
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Ahh the government pricing mechanism in action:

1. Obamacare expands Medicaid, requiring taxpayers to fully fund required health insurance for low-income Americans...increasing health care costs, and dramatically increasing the American tax burden.

2. In an attempt to "fix" bad policy. The NLRB attempts to step in to increase minimum wage in order to pay for increased medical costs.

3. Profiteering businesses respond by cutting the jobs/hours of millions of workers in order to maintain cost-effective labor.

4. The American taxpayer takes on the additional burden of welfare for the laid-off wokers.
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Old 06-01-2013, 05:46 AM   #6
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Meh, Americans are generally stupid and drool over the glorious deals to be had at sewers like Walmart or one of the various Dolllar Store chains that blight the suburban landscape...

People seek out Walmart, we have no one to blame but ourselves as they suck small enterprise dry and treat employees like ****
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Does Walmart pay that much less then Kmart, Target etc? At least the people there are working. People who don't work cost us a lot more and without Walmart where would these people go and work? We should thank them for having a business model that works to hire thousands of unskilled workers.
Translation: I'm happy to continue getting ****ed in the ass by the upper 1% who are using my tax dollars to subsidize their profits so that I can pretend that I'm getting a good deal buying junk.
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...and meets the needs of consumers wanting a large variety of cheap stuff...
You just don't get it, do you? The numbers don't lie. They profit by shifting the burden of employee costs on society. In other words, they're parasites.
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The consumer's the boss in a nation that consumes more than produces. Demand caused Walmart to spread like a virus.

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Translation: I'm happy to continue getting ****ed in the ass by the upper 1% who are using my tax dollars to subsidize their profits so that I can pretend that I'm getting a good deal buying junk.
Sometimes it's the best alternative for low income consumers that don't pay taxes and depend on government assistance.
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Roh likes to straddle the fence between "Employer-provided Health Coverage is dumb" and "Every Employer Owes Every Employee Great Health Coverage"
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Ahh the government pricing mechanism in action:

1. Obamacare expands Medicaid, requiring taxpayers to fully fund required health insurance for low-income Americans...increasing health care costs, and dramatically increasing the American tax burden.

2. In an attempt to "fix" bad policy. The NLRB attempts to step in to increase minimum wage in order to pay for increased medical costs.

3. Profiteering businesses respond by cutting the jobs/hours of millions of workers in order to maintain cost-effective labor.

4. The American taxpayer takes on the additional burden of welfare for the laid-off wokers.
Obamacare expands Medicaid? Really. Funny, here in Utah we are not expanding Medicaid and this is with approval by the Feds, who also approved us using our Avenue H exchange, already in place, which helps small business's so as not to cut the jobs/hours of workers. Bigger business's and corporations, I have no doubt they may do this as they've always done things to keep the buck exclusively in their pockets. But they have to have insurance also and will pay.

As far as the "additional" burden of welfare for laid off workers, you think you weren't going to pay anyway? Whether they get Medicaid or not they get the medical care and you would pay. One of the reasons for higher medical costs, you're paying for those that can't. It's been happening for years.
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Roh likes to straddle the fence between "Employer-provided Health Coverage is dumb" and "Every Employer Owes Every Employee Great Health Coverage"
I have yet to see a post by you that makes any sense or comes close to getting anything right. I have always advocated Medicare for all on this forum, which in fact would free the employer from any responsibility for employee coverage at all, nitwit. The key with Walmart is not healthcare, although that's certainly part of it. They created a model which the majority of retail chains now follow: **** wages and not enough hours to even get coverage and their thousands of workers make up the difference by getting foodstamps and Medicaid or going to the ER for medical care.

You RW trogs just don't get it, do you? If enough of a society's population is working in jobs that can't sustain them in the economy, you are sitting on a time bomb. And meanwhile, those at the top make thousands of times more than their workers while getting the biggest tax breaks? Rent a clue.
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I have yet to see a post by you that makes any sense or comes close to getting anything right. I have always advocated Medicare for all on this forum, which in fact would free the employer from any responsibility for employee coverage at all, nitwit. The key with Walmart is not healthcare, although that's certainly part of it. They created a model which the majority of retail chains now follow: **** wages and not enough hours to even get coverage and their thousands of workers make up the difference by getting foodstamps and Medicaid or going to the ER for medical care.

You RW trogs just don't get it, do you? If enough of a society's population is working in jobs that can't sustain them in the economy, you are sitting on a time bomb. And meanwhile, those at the top make thousands of times more than their workers while getting the biggest tax breaks? Rent a clue.
This is a good and important point. "Business model" does not always refer to "benefits given to employees". They designed a system whereby they could theoretically design their stores in such a way that they could "get by" with minimal coverage, even less product knowledge, open 24 hours but only have more than 1 lane open for one hour a day, Gantt scheduled still-can't-find-an-associate-when-you-need-one BS.

They designed their entire system around theories like those, and when it "worked" (ie the convenience drove specialty stores out of business and then they no longer ha any competitors), every other business tried it, whether it fit what they were trying to do or not.

Wal Mart is the bane of the world for many more reasons than just the usual rehashings.
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Always love the hypocrisy.

When poor people take advantage of government assistance, they are lazy people leeching off society.

When rich people take advantage of government assistance, it's just a good business plan.
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This is a good and important point. "Business model" does not always refer to "benefits given to employees". They designed a system whereby they could theoretically design their stores in such a way that they could "get by" with minimal coverage, even less product knowledge, open 24 hours but only have more than 1 lane open for one hour a day, Gantt scheduled still-can't-find-an-associate-when-you-need-one BS.

They designed their entire system around theories like those, and when it "worked" (ie the convenience drove specialty stores out of business and then they no longer ha any competitors), every other business tried it, whether it fit what they were trying to do or not.

Wal Mart is the bane of the world for many more reasons than just the usual rehashings.
Yep. The government should be designing a new law governing these kinds of "business models" that does the same thing the Sherman Act did for Standard Oil.
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You can't blame Walmart. If those employees could get better jobs they would go and do it. So in reality Walmart is probably the only job they can get until they gain some experience. So the reality is Walmart does a lot of good by giving low skilled workers a job. I wish all the welfar leeches would go work at walmart.
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blaming the fact unskilled workers need food stamps on rich people is the biggest reach since Broncos took Ted Gregory in the first round.
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thousands of workers make up the difference by getting foodstamps and Medicaid or going to the ER for medical care.

You RW trogs just don't get it, do you?
Well coming from a liberal utopia ill let you in on a little secret, with government run and funded healthcare doctors pay cheques are limited, as such you have a tough time keeping doctors, so you end up with millions of people not having a family doctor, guess what they do, they go to the ER for medical care, and you get to pay for it, at 5 times the cost of what a family doctors visit would and should cost, and with no out of pocket penalty they go for anything, sneeze, sniffle, cough, runny nose, so when you have an actual emergency you have to wade through them to get to see a doctor.

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Always love the hypocrisy.

When poor people take advantage of government assistance, they are lazy people leeching off society.

When rich people take advantage of government assistance, it's just a good business plan.
It would be stupid not to take advantage of them, the stupid thing is having government assistance at all, walmart, oil, auto, solar, piss on em, let em sink or swim, the government should not be picking winners and losers.

Im all for a good unemployment insurance program that people pay into before being allowed to collect, dead set against welfare, and really against having it tied to how many children you have, as soon as you put a dollar value on a child guess what people do ? thats right, they have more kids that they cant afford.

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Really do not let those Wal-Mart commercials fool you. Used to work there. And they treat you beyond crap. They play favorites to others. And play non-favorites to others if you know what I mean. I was one of the latter.
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