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Old 01-18-2011, 07:39 PM   #1
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Default Bill Polian says you never pass up on a franchise DE in the Draft

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Fundamental football logic tells you a behemoth tackle controlling the middle of the line is important to a defense.

Coaches, personnel folks and players around the league, however, tell you he is not as important as a pass-rushing defensive end.

"Two positions you don't pass in the draft when you have a chance to get one: A quarterback who can win in the league and a pass-rusher who can win in the league," Indianapolis Colts president Bill Polian said.
http://www.nfl.com/kickoff/story/090...ion-on-defense

According to the article, benefits to having great DEs:

» A middle linebacker tends to have more room to operate if he's working behind an exceptional defensive end drawing blocking to the outside.

» A cornerback and a safety can suddenly become more effective in coverage if he has the help of a defensive end applying strong pressure on the passer.

So, if you think about it, Daquan Bowers -- who was the number one player in high school, and is arguably the number one player in the draft -- is available, and we are playing a 4-3, how in the world can we pass on him?

He has the size of a Reggie White and the production of a Elvis Dummervil. He had more sacks in his junior year than Robert Ayers had in his entire career at Tennessee.

Dumervil and Bowers? That's crucial.
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Old 01-18-2011, 07:41 PM   #2
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it would be nice, but at same time a dominant defensive tackle opens up potential for one on ones with doom and ayers..
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For the Last week I have felt that Bowers is the safer pick
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I think taking Patrick Peterson would be a waste. Phenomenal player, no doubt, but a corner can only impact a game so much. Champ has proven that over his time here.

I would be upset if we took Peterson over Bowers and Fairley - granted both players test out to be in consideration of the number one overall pick.

I would be shocked if Carolina passed on Bowers, though.
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Elway, Fox and Bowlen (Xanders not included, fetching pizza) will make their selection after a session of puff puff pass.
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I think he will be like gains adams (rip) was. Great in college and average in the nfl.
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I'm still not convinced we're switching out of the 3/4.
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http://www.nfl.com/kickoff/story/090...ion-on-defense

According to the article, benefits to having great DEs:

» A middle linebacker tends to have more room to operate if he's working behind an exceptional defensive end drawing blocking to the outside.

» A cornerback and a safety can suddenly become more effective in coverage if he has the help of a defensive end applying strong pressure on the passer.

So, if you think about it, Daquan Bowers -- who was the number one player in high school, and is arguably the number one player in the draft -- is available, and we are playing a 4-3, how in the world can we pass on him?

He has the size of a Reggie White and the production of a Elvis Dummervil. He had more sacks in his junior year than Robert Ayers had in his entire career at Tennessee.

Dumervil and Bowers? That's crucial.
Whatever, he's just getting an early start on the draft. trying to influence the picks ahead of him.
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Please God, defensive line, defensive line, defensive line.


A good defensive line can stop the running game and pressure the quarterback into making mistakes at any time. You never hear about CBs taking a game over, but you always hear about defensive lines taking over.

We got one stud in Dumervil, please God, add a Bowers or a Fairely to a mix.

DEFENSIVE LINE, DEFENSIVE LINE!!!!!!
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Whatever, he's just getting an early start on the draft. trying to influence the picks ahead of him.
You are right. The article is from 2008. That Bill Polian, he can see into the future.
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Bowers or Fairley please. Since we pick #2 we need whoever is left.
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I agree with the basic premise: If you have a CB and DE of equal skill available, take the lineman. Always take the lineman. Winning football begins with the lines. Hasn't changed since the game was invented.
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I think he will be like gains adams (rip) was. Great in college and average in the nfl.
Bowers: 6'4" 280 pounds

Adams: 6'5" 250 pounds

I don't see the correlation besides that they both played at Clemson.

Even before the draft, Adams was a considered a situational pass rusher:

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Adams is a little undersized for his position at an NFL level. He also occasionally seems to be reluctant to play against the run, which is a big no-no in the pros. Those two factors combined seem to suggest that he's likely to be a situational pass-rusher when he hits the NFL.
They don't resemble each other in any kind of way. Not a good comparison.
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Too bad Bowers isn't a franchise DE.

oh and Bill Polian hows Jerry Hughes working out for you.
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Check me if I'm wrong sandy, but if we go back to a 4-3, don't we already have a franchise DE?
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Check me if I'm wrong sandy, but if we go back to a 4-3, don't we already have a franchise DE?
Aren't there two DEs on a team or am I mistaken?
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Too bad Bowers isn't a franchise DE.
And you know this how?

Then why is he ranked #2 on Kiper's board? For the hell of it?
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oh and Bill Polian hows Jerry Hughes working out for you.
A rookie is a bust after one year and after playing behind two pro bowl defensive ends?

Say it ain't so, shirley.

What kind of numbers was he suppose to put up? And whose position was he suppose to take as a rookie, Mathis or Freeney?
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Aren't there two DEs on a team or am I mistaken?
Guess we can move Ayers to MLB or SAM.
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it would be nice, but at same time a dominant defensive tackle opens up potential for one on ones with doom and ayers..
Just not sold on Ayers.

I don't get personel guys sometimes. Ayers had 4 sacks his junior season, then 3 sacks his senior season, but he somehow was suppose to increase that number in the pros when he couldn't even sack the QB against inferior talent in college?

Where is the logic behind that?

Good run stuffer, but nothing more, nothing less.
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Guess we can move Ayers to MLB or SAM.
He is physical player, no doubt. He looks awesome when they move him inside against guards. He pushes those guys back.

Physical guy. Beef him up like Keith Traylor.
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I would be shocked if Carolina passed on Bowers, though.
Dear Taco....Please add some smilies this off season. There's currently not enough to convey how bad I want to destroy this joke of a post.

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http://www.nfl.com/kickoff/story/090...ion-on-defense

According to the article, benefits to having great DEs:

» A middle linebacker tends to have more room to operate if he's working behind an exceptional defensive end drawing blocking to the outside.

» A cornerback and a safety can suddenly become more effective in coverage if he has the help of a defensive end applying strong pressure on the passer.

So, if you think about it, Daquan Bowers -- who was the number one player in high school, and is arguably the number one player in the draft -- is available, and we are playing a 4-3, how in the world can we pass on him?

He has the size of a Reggie White and the production of a Elvis Dummervil. He had more sacks in his junior year than Robert Ayers had in his entire career at Tennessee.

Dumervil and Bowers? That's crucial.
Is this the same Bill Polian who have repeadetly said he regrets drafting Jerry Hughes (a pass rusher) instead of the offensive tackle he needed? Talk about mixed messages.
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Aren't there two DEs on a team or am I mistaken?
Name a team with two franchise DEs.
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And you know this how?

Then why is he ranked #2 on Kiper's board? For the hell of it?
For starters, because Kiper is a complete tool.
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