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Old 01-17-2011, 07:45 AM   #1
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• Has been working with realtor to find a house, also hoping to have the rest of the staff nailed down by today or tomorrow.
• On Mike McCoy – he’s good with QBs, not sure Denver got to see the full potential of him with the situation here, but Fox did as his QB coach for 7 years. Under McCoy the QBs got better with their technique over time. McCoy called in plays and was Carolina’s passing game coordinator. When Fox lost him, he saw a drop off in production. McCoy is a fine QB coach that understands the game, including both the west coast and spread offense.
• Can’t speak for Adam Gase but Eric Studesville has decided to stay. Has background with Eric from NYG. People in the Broncos building rave about him and how he handled the situation. Says Eric is an outstanding RB coach.
• Getting closer on a DC, it is pending. Should know something in 24-48 hours.
• Surprised Sean McDermott left Philly, sounds like a mutual deal to not be under wings of Jim Johnson. He’ll have a lot of opportunities, very good reputation across the league as a DC.
• His job as HC is to manage the team, game and coaches. Fox provides a little more input on defense than the other areas, but overall he has to be involved in all 3 phases.
• No doubt that after ball is snapped, the 3-4 and 4-3 alignment can look the same but have to get right personnel to fit your system but the principles of defense can be the same.
• Elvis Dumervil is an edge rusher, his alignment will be the same in the 4-3. He would suffer he was asked to play inside against guards but on the outside, he’ll have less opportunities to drop in coverage and spend more time rushing the passer.
• Building a defense starts up-front, an area the Broncos will look at. Have some decent guys here right now but need help.
• Doesn’t know enough yet to say who the #1 qb is. Has already met with Tim Tebow, hasn’t met Kyle Orton yet or talked to Brady Quinn. Having competition is good, not ready to name anything now but have to at some point to move forward.
• Thinks you can win without an elite QB. Doesn’t think Mark Sanchez is an elite QB at this point, but if you play solid defense and run the football you can win.
• Consider everything when out of a job, knew wanted to still coach but was very fortunate to find the right fit with the broncos. More excited to go than in years.
• Talked to Mike Shanahan, who didn’t offer his house and Fox didn’t ask him.

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Old 01-17-2011, 07:50 AM   #2
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Thanks for the update Montrose....only talked about McDermott, but no chatter about Mora?
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Fox seems very comfortable, as one would hope/expect with a veteran HC. It's good to have a pro in charge, especially one that is pretty adamant about "the defense starts up front."
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Thanks for the update Montrose....only talked about McDermott, but no chatter about Mora?
Didn't come up, Legwold was on after and talked as though either could be the guy.
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Thinks you can win without an elite QB. Doesn’t think Mark Sanchez is an elite QB at this point, but if you play solid defense and run the football you can win.

you can't win playoff games with average QB
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Old 01-17-2011, 08:15 AM   #6
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Thinks you can win without an elite QB. Doesn’t think Mark Sanchez is an elite QB at this point, but if you play solid defense and run the football you can win.

you can't win playoff games with average QB
2 teams just yesterday won playoff games with statistically average QBs
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Old 01-17-2011, 08:15 AM   #7
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Fox seems very comfortable, as one would hope/expect with a veteran HC. It's good to have a pro in charge, especially one that is pretty adamant about "the defense starts up front."
In the words of John Elway, I think Fox knows what he knows and what he doesn't know and he is comfortable with that. Hopefully he will be able to fit in people to the places he is not strong, I hear that we got the OL and WR coaches from Carolina, so hopefully better times will be on the horizon for our OL.

I hope Adam Gase sticks around, he did sterling work with Lloyd and I think for Thomas and Decker it can be important to have continuity, also for Tebow.

It is good he is putting an emphasis on the defensive front, that is the biggest weakness right now.
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Old 01-17-2011, 08:16 AM   #8
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Love that he sees his job more of a manager. Sounds like he will get the best available and let them coach while he concentrates on providing them the tools & players to be successful.
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Loved that Fox said he is going to get some help to the upfront guys on the Dline! Music to my ears!!
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2 teams just yesterday won playoff games with statistically average QBs
Come on now, calling Sanchez statistically average is like calling a 4 inch dick not bad. Lets be Ricky Gervais honest and say it like it is, Sanchez right now is playing like a rookie.
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“• Thinks you can win without an elite QB. Doesn’t think Mark Sanchez is an elite QB at this point, but if you play solid defense and run the football you can win.”

I know many will disagree, but this actually scares the **** out of me. Of course there will always be exceptions, but the teams that have been “championship level” competitive for years have elite and/or very clutch QBs as a stabilizing force.

I really don’t like that Fox stuck with Delhomme for all those years without trying to upgrade the position. He was one of the worst choke artists around. In 2008 Carolina had a solid defense, great running game, and Delhomme at QB. The result…a 12-4 season and first round exit after Delhomme threw 5 INTs and had 1 fumble lost.

The worst thing that can happen is Fox putting Orton back in as the starter next year. That would officially move me from scared to ****ing terrified.
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2 teams just yesterday won playoff games with statistically average QBs
Cutler generated 4 TDs. 28 points in a playoff game will win most of the time
Sanchez out played Brady and made a great throw to Holmes in a game where one play wins it or loses it

Sanchez is not elite but he's 4-1 in the playoffs and getting better in only his 2nd year
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Good news about the defense and upgrading up front, thanks montrose.
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Cutler generated 4 TDs. 28 points in a playoff game will win most of the time
Sanchez out played Brady and made a great throw to Holmes in a game where one play wins it or loses it

Sanchez is not elite but he's 4-1 in the playoffs and getting better in only his 2nd year
im not downplaying how they played in those particular games, just talking about over the course of the season, both of those QBs and their entire offenses were statistically average. the difference is their defenses are both nothing short of incredible.
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Of course Fox thinks you can win with an average quarterback. He was successful with Jake Delhomme.

I really hope Tebow ends up better than Delhomme, which could mean really good things for Denver.
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Old 01-17-2011, 08:28 AM   #16
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• Has been working with realtor to find a house, also hoping to have the rest of the staff nailed down by today or tomorrow.
• On Mike McCoy – he’s good with QBs, not sure Denver got to see the full potential of him with the situation here, but Fox did as his QB coach for 7 years. Under McCoy the QBs got better with their technique over time. McCoy called in plays and was Carolina’s passing game coordinator. When Fox lost him, he saw a drop off in production. McCoy is a fine QB coach that understands the game, including both the west coast and spread offense.
• Can’t speak for Adam Gase but Eric Studesville has decided to stay. Has background with Eric from NYG. People in the Broncos building rave about him and how he handled the situation. Says Eric is an outstanding RB coach.
• Getting closer on a DC, it is pending. Should know something in 24-48 hours.
• Surprised Sean McDermott left Philly, sounds like a mutual deal to not be under wings of Jim Johnson. He’ll have a lot of opportunities, very good reputation across the league as a DC.
• His job as HC is to manage the team, game and coaches. Fox provides a little more input on defense than the other areas, but overall he has to be involved in all 3 phases.
• No doubt that after ball is snapped, the 3-4 and 4-3 alignment can look the same but have to get right personnel to fit your system but the principles of defense can be the same.
• Elvis Dumervil is an edge rusher, his alignment will be the same in the 4-3. He would suffer he was asked to play inside against guards but on the outside, he’ll have less opportunities to drop in coverage and spend more time rushing the passer.
Building a defense starts up-front, an area the Broncos will look at. Have some decent guys here right now but need help.
• Doesn’t know enough yet to say who the #1 qb is. Has already met with Tim Tebow, hasn’t met Kyle Orton yet or talked to Brady Quinn. Having competition is good, not ready to name anything now but have to at some point to move forward.
• Thinks you can win without an elite QB. Doesn’t think Mark Sanchez is an elite QB at this point, but if you play solid defense and run the football you can win.
• Consider everything when out of a job, knew wanted to still coach but was very fortunate to find the right fit with the broncos. More excited to go than in years.
• Talked to Mike Shanahan, who didn’t offer his house and Fox didn’t ask him.

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You had me there John Fox! Finally a coach who understands how defense is won consistently.

As for the Non-Elite QB comment, you need a good QB. Sanchez is a good QB. Plus, it's a qualifier. If you have a Great defense and can run the ball, then you can win with a good QB. BAL and PIT have been doing that for years and NE with Brady did it for years before he finally became elite.
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The jets have won 4 playoff games in two years with very average QB play. The Steelers have won the SB the same way. The Ravens won a last week.

This year alone, every elite QB is already out of the playoffs because they faced teams who can run the ball and play superior defense. Pretty much every team left falls into the "average QB" category.
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Come on now, calling Sanchez statistically average is like calling a 4 inch dick not bad. Lets be Ricky Gervais honest and say it like it is, Sanchez right now is playing like a rookie.
Sanchez's rating was 127.3 yesterday. He's won 4 playoff road games, tied for the most ever. Obviously the Jets have a great defense but Sanchez deserves more credit.
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The jets have won 4 playoff games in two years with very average QB play. The Steelers have won the SB the same way. The Ravens won a last week.

This year alone, every elite QB is already out of the playoffs because they faced teams who can run the ball and play superior defense. Pretty much every team left falls into the "average QB" category.
I don't think Aaron Rodgers is an average quarterback.
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I like everything he is saying. Hopefully whoever ends up really being in charge of personnel will be able to build what he is looking for. I would love to see a good run game and defense again.
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We need to define average. If we are talking Kyle Orton or Jake Deholomme as average then I think Cutler and Sanchez are above average or vice versa Cutler and Sanchez are average then Orton and Delhome is below average

Offense will get you to the playoffs when the weather is nice in Sept - Nov but come Dec and Jan weather is a 12th man on defense so we need a solid D and running game keep teh game close and a guy like Tebow can make a play off schedule
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Sanchez is not elite but he's 4-1 in the playoffs

Exactly. This is Fox's point.

He has one of the best defenses and running games in the league. Obviously having an elite QB helps, but its not the be-all end-all for winning a title.
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The jets have won 4 playoff games in two years with very average QB play. The Steelers have won the SB the same way. The Ravens won a last week.

This year alone, every elite QB is already out of the playoffs because they faced teams who can run the ball and play superior defense. Pretty much every team left falls into the "average QB" category.
GB and Pittsburg have "average QBs"?
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Love this. Thanks for the info, Montrose.

Oh, and Aaron Rodgers is well above an average QB. Come on.
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The jets have won 4 playoff games in two years with very average QB play. The Steelers have won the SB the same way. The Ravens won a last week.

This year alone, every elite QB is already out of the playoffs because they faced teams who can run the ball and play superior defense. Pretty much every team left falls into the "average QB" category.
QB should be elite if we want to compete consistently every year.
It happens that some years teams with QB's like Garrard, Collins and Jake Delhomme might reach playoff's.
But, they will not be able to do it consistently.
That's the difference.

You seriously think Sanchez and Ben is average??..
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