The Orange Mane -  a Denver Broncos Fan Community  

Go Back   The Orange Mane - a Denver Broncos Fan Community > Orange Mane Discussion > Orange Mane Central Discussion
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Chat Room Mark Forums Read



Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-14-2011, 06:22 PM   #1
peacepipe
Ring of Famer
 
New to the Forum

Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 7,338

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default tebow

How much time does tebow get 1,2, or 3 more yrs to show definatively that he's the future of this franchise?
Personally, I think he gets this comming yr to prove it eitherway. Elway,Fox & Bowlen aren't IMO going to have the patience to give him more than that.
peacepipe is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 01-14-2011, 06:24 PM   #2
BroncosMT
Back in Big Sky
 
BroncosMT's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Frozen tundra of Montana
Posts: 913
Default

At least 2 more years.....he is going to be learning a new offense and then the second year will be his defining moment......i remember hearing the maturing process of a qb taking at least 3 years.
BroncosMT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 06:29 PM   #3
peacepipe
Ring of Famer
 
New to the Forum

Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 7,338

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BroncosMT View Post
At least 2 more years.....he is going to be learning a new offense and then the second year will be his defining moment......i remember hearing the maturing process of a qb taking at least 3 years.
I wouldn't be so sure about that new offense,especially if they keep McCoy? It's 2011 QBs don't get that 3 yr window.
peacepipe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 06:31 PM   #4
epicSocialism4tw
Tebowing the long haul
 
all the way to the title

Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: TX, USA
Posts: 36,774

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Champ Bailey
Default

He'll have two more years.

Tebow is a 1st-round rookie QB, and those rookie QB's typically get a few years. Tebow has had three games.

Sit back and enjoy the ride.
epicSocialism4tw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 06:31 PM   #5
Jay3
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

This coming year.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 06:32 PM   #6
Jay3
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

Tebow will be judged by a different, stricter standard than other players.

He will also render silly most of the talk about him this past, and hand-wringing about him going now. IMO.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 06:38 PM   #7
KevinJames
Opthomas Prime
 
KevinJames's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,116
Default

One year.

If he sucks get luck period.
KevinJames is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 06:50 PM   #8
Garcia Bronco
Hokie since 1993
 

Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 47,067

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Tom Jackson
Default

he's already proved himself. If he only gets a year then the new leadership is dum er than a bag of hammers.
Garcia Bronco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 06:57 PM   #9
Man-Goblin
One Gap Penetrator
 
Man-Goblin's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Huntersville, NC
Posts: 6,054

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Connor Barth
Default

We'll know after this year. If Tebow is god awful (no pun intended!), they'll be in position to draft a QBOTF and should do so.
Man-Goblin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 06:58 PM   #10
ZONA
Ring of Famer
 
ZONA's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 10,737

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Chris Harris
Default

I don't think there is definite window. A young QB has to show signs and show progress throughout the season. You know there will be some bad quarters and even a bad game here and there. What you don't want to see is a backwards trend of having several bad games in a row, with alot of mistakes. I don't even think QB's these days get the full 1st year if they are playing really bad and not showing signs of improving or at least getting a few wins here and there. Look at the kid out of BYU who played for the Cards this year. He was brought in after Anderson was looking like crap, and they let this kid get 3 or 4 games in and they didn't like what they saw so he's done. If Tebow would have looked like complete crap, I'd doubt he would get consideration even next year. The fact he's made some good plays, he's buying himself more time. Same thing will go for next year. If he keeps making good plays and can minimize the mistakes, he keeps buying himself more time. And that's important because it's not just game time he's buying, it's the majority of reps with the starters in practice. It can be very difficult for a young QB to improve with reps on the 2nd team and sitting on the bench during games.

Last edited by ZONA; 01-14-2011 at 07:00 PM..
ZONA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 07:06 PM   #11
Jay3
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

I think young quarterbacks almost always look good right out of the gate, if they are indeed good. They might not always win, and they make mistakes, but they look pretty good from the get-go.

Just about every example of a quarterback where we were asked to accept that they were good, it just didn't show yet, turned out to be a fail-stench in disguise. Kyle Boller. David Carr. Joey Harrington.

I can't think of one who looked genuinely bad and was later awesome. Even Peyton looked good in a statistically rough year. Or take Sam Bradford -- statisically, he kind of stank this year. But to the trained eye, he looked good right away.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 07:11 PM   #12
Dedhed
Ring of Famer
 
Dedhed's Avatar
 
Fare thee well

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Earth
Posts: 10,439

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Q Smith
Default

He'll prove himself a legitimate NFL quarterback long before the window of opportunity closes on him.
Dedhed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 07:23 PM   #13
epicSocialism4tw
Tebowing the long haul
 
all the way to the title

Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: TX, USA
Posts: 36,774

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Champ Bailey
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco View Post
he's already proved himself. If he only gets a year then the new leadership is dum er than a bag of hammers.
The past few years havent been too hot, so my expectations are low.

Tebow did look fantastic for a "project" rook in his first three games. If he pulled that off over the course of his first season, he would have been a slam-dunk rookie of the year.
epicSocialism4tw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 07:25 PM   #14
epicSocialism4tw
Tebowing the long haul
 
all the way to the title

Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: TX, USA
Posts: 36,774

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Champ Bailey
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZONA View Post
I don't think there is definite window. A young QB has to show signs and show progress throughout the season. You know there will be some bad quarters and even a bad game here and there. What you don't want to see is a backwards trend of having several bad games in a row, with alot of mistakes. I don't even think QB's these days get the full 1st year if they are playing really bad and not showing signs of improving or at least getting a few wins here and there. Look at the kid out of BYU who played for the Cards this year. He was brought in after Anderson was looking like crap, and they let this kid get 3 or 4 games in and they didn't like what they saw so he's done. If Tebow would have looked like complete crap, I'd doubt he would get consideration even next year. The fact he's made some good plays, he's buying himself more time. Same thing will go for next year. If he keeps making good plays and can minimize the mistakes, he keeps buying himself more time. And that's important because it's not just game time he's buying, it's the majority of reps with the starters in practice. It can be very difficult for a young QB to improve with reps on the 2nd team and sitting on the bench during games.
Didnt Max Hall get hurt? He's not a rookie either. Skelton was the rook.

But you made a good point about not regressing. But Tebow is so polarizing that the minute he has a bad game, the wave of criticism will hit hard.

He doesnt have the same luxury of the "this guy's a rookie, give him time to work out his mistakes" patient waiting game...with the fans at least.

Last edited by epicSocialism4tw; 01-14-2011 at 07:28 PM..
epicSocialism4tw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 07:27 PM   #15
BroncosMT
Back in Big Sky
 
BroncosMT's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Frozen tundra of Montana
Posts: 913
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw View Post
Didnt Max Hall get hurt? He's not a rookie either. Skelton was the rook.

But you made a good point about not regressing. But Tebow is so polarizing that the minute he has a bad game, the wave of criticism will hit hard.
Hall was a rookie this year
BroncosMT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 07:29 PM   #16
epicSocialism4tw
Tebowing the long haul
 
all the way to the title

Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: TX, USA
Posts: 36,774

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Champ Bailey
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BroncosMT View Post
Hall was a rookie this year
Ah...I got it...he was an undrafted free agent. I didnt see him in their draft picks.

Thanks for the correction.

Thats pretty good that he moved ahead of Skelton on the depth chart if he's a UDFA.
epicSocialism4tw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 07:33 PM   #17
2KBack
Rumblin' Bumblin'
 
2KBack's Avatar
 
Cake is delicious

Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Wash DC
Posts: 8,095
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay3 View Post
I think young quarterbacks almost always look good right out of the gate, if they are indeed good. They might not always win, and they make mistakes, but they look pretty good from the get-go.

Just about every example of a quarterback where we were asked to accept that they were good, it just didn't show yet, turned out to be a fail-stench in disguise. Kyle Boller. David Carr. Joey Harrington.

I can't think of one who looked genuinely bad and was later awesome. Even Peyton looked good in a statistically rough year. Or take Sam Bradford -- statisically, he kind of stank this year. But to the trained eye, he looked good right away.
2KBack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 07:33 PM   #18
bombay
Ring of Famer
 
bombay's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: denver
Posts: 5,894
Default

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_17089779

Jeff Legwold on Elway, Fox, and Tebow.
bombay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 07:34 PM   #19
BroncosMT
Back in Big Sky
 
BroncosMT's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Frozen tundra of Montana
Posts: 913
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw View Post
Ah...I got it...he was an undrafted free agent. I didnt see him in their draft picks.

Thanks for the correction.

Thats pretty good that he moved ahead of Skelton on the depth chart if he's a UDFA.
No worries.....there were some comparisons between Hall and Warner....but I'm sure he won't get a shot next year....they will bring in a vet....I think he has some talent and with a decent line could develop....I think we live in a society where we want instant gratification and we tend at times to forget how little play time and snaps guys get....I think Tebow needs to get at least 2 years under his belt before he is written off.
BroncosMT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 07:36 PM   #20
Jay3
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

Dree Brees looked good in San Diego, to my eye. Never saw him where I said to myself "this kid can't play." I was surprised when San Diego drafted Eli Manning, and assumed they thought they had an Andrew Luck type talent on their hands.

The good ones may struggle statistically sometimes, but they seem decent right away.

(I mean the ones that belong in the league).
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 07:55 PM   #21
epicSocialism4tw
Tebowing the long haul
 
all the way to the title

Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: TX, USA
Posts: 36,774

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Champ Bailey
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bombay View Post
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_17089779

Jeff Legwold on Elway, Fox, and Tebow.
These guys are just trying to stir controversy because they know that the "Tebow might not be the starter" storyline is what gets everyone riled up.

Here's the quote that theyre spinning into the above storyline:

"He's in a developmental stage for sure, but I think he has the makings to be as good as he wants to be."
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...#ixzz1B4ILwO7f

When you couple that with Fox's statement that Tebow impressed Fox with his willingness to put the work in, it sounds like Fox is sold on Tebow...because Tebow obviously does everything the coach asks in preparation.

In the Xanders interview, he said that the thing that sold he and McD on Tebow is that Tebow knew offense like an assistant coach. He knew the plays, the sets, the reads, etc., and he picked up the Broncos' complicated offense immediately.

Tebow is mentally prepared like Peyton Manning.

When Tebow starts practicing full-time with the first team, he'll grow and grow. He has already worked his foot in the door, and I dont see him slowing down now.
epicSocialism4tw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 07:57 PM   #22
Archer81
Optimum Homo
 
Archer81's Avatar
 
Tactical Neck.

Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 22,658
Default

This thread is making me giggle.


Archer81 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 08:15 PM   #23
lostknight
In The Arena
 
lostknight's Avatar
 
ohwaitwtf

Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,335

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Tim Tebow
Default

Tebow's already judged on a different level then other quarterbacks. While it's not real fair to do the comparison on the basis of just a few games, he had a higher passer rating then any other drafted QB, more rushing yards then Vick in his rookie debut, more YPA then any rookie since Marino.

He gets a year to show improvement.
lostknight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 08:21 PM   #24
Taco John
24/7 Broncos
 
Taco John's Avatar
 
All Hail King Midas

Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 50,581

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Peyton Manning
Default

15
Taco John is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 08:27 PM   #25
frerottenextelway
█████
 
frerottenextelway's Avatar
 
█████

Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: █████
Posts: 8,479

Adopt-a-Bronco:
██
Default

He'll be the starting QB until he retires at age 40.

Then, he'll take over for a retiring Coach Fox.
frerottenextelway is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes



Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
In Response to the "Very Little of Tim Tebows Game Translates to the NFL Post" prunch Orange Mane Central Discussion 33 01-05-2011 08:31 AM
Tim Tebow Fun Facts Pony Boy Orange Mane Central Discussion 17 04-26-2010 11:32 PM
Tim Tebow pick from a business/operation perspective MVPlaya Orange Mane Central Discussion 31 04-26-2010 11:29 AM
Len Pasquarelli on Tebow Pseudofool Orange Mane Central Discussion 26 04-23-2010 09:15 AM
Tim Tebow 2.0 debuts at Gators pro day (Wednesday) strafen Orange Mane Central Discussion 52 03-18-2010 08:39 AM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:51 AM.


Denver Broncos