John Fox Draft History - The Orange Mane

epicSocialism4tw · 01-13-2011, 02:04 PM

The last time that Fox had the #2 pick? Julius Peppers. Is DeQuan Bowers in our future?

1st round picks:
RB - 3
LB - 3
OT - 2
DE - 1
CB - 1
LB - 1

2nd round picks:
RB - 2
C - 2
WR - 2
CB - 1
DE - 1
S - 1
QB - 1
DT - 1

3rd round picks:
LB - 3
WR - 3
OT - 2
DT - 2
TE - 1
OG - 1
DE - 1
CB - 1

Notable scores: Peppers (1), Jordan Gross (1), Steve Smith (3), Kris Jenkins (2), Ricky Manning (3), Thomas Davis (1), Charles Johnson (3), Dan Morgan (1), Chris Gamble (1), Ryan Kalil (2), Jon Beason (1), DeAngelo Williams/Jonathan Stewart (both 1's)
Noteable whiffs: Keary Colbert (2), Dywane Jarrett (2) (note...do NOT draft WR's from USC), Eric Shelton (2), Bruce Nelson (2)

Really, there were surprisingly few whiffs in the first two rounds, most of which were second-round picks. The Panthers' problems do not appear to be due to lack of adding talent through the draft.

*I inlcuded the "2001 Draft" from wikipedia, but I couldnt figure out whether it was Siefert or Fox who made those picks. That was an important draft for Carolina...it netted Dan Morgan, Kris Jenkins, and Steve Smith all in the first three rounds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolin..._draft_history

also...Bill Williamson or Mike Klis or whomever...if you rip this information off, at least give credit to orangemane.com.

Crushaholic · 01-13-2011, 02:21 PM

He found some fine talent on that list. We need someone like a Julius Peppers, who can disrupt the backfield and make plays...

BroncoInferno · 01-13-2011, 02:21 PM

Fox didn't have personnel say in Carolina. I'm sure he gave his input, but he never made the final call.

RunSilentRunDeep · 01-13-2011, 02:24 PM

That draft record was underwhelming.

epicSocialism4tw · 01-13-2011, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crushaholic

He found some fine talent on that list. We need someone like a Julius Peppers, who can disrupt the backfield and make plays...

His record on first round picks is awesome.

2001 Morgan
2002 Peppers
2003 Gross
2004 Gamble
2005 Thomas Davis
2006 DeAngelo Williams
2007 Jon Beason
2008a Jonathan Stewart
2008b Jeff Otah
2009 none
2010 none

Every one of those players except for one has been at least a solid contributor for the Panthers, many of them historically important players in the franchise. The only one who hasnt panned out is Otah, who has struggled with injuries over the past two years.

epicSocialism4tw · 01-13-2011, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Fox didn't have personnel say in Carolina. I'm sure he gave his input, but he never made the final call.

Do you have a link that would prove that he made no decisions in terms of the draft in Carolina?

bfoflcommish · 01-13-2011, 02:28 PM

And with all that draft "scores" they still managed to finish worse then us.

Kaylore · 01-13-2011, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bfoflcommish

And with all that draft "scores" they still managed to finish worse then us.

Most of those players aren't on the team anymore and the few that were are inured this year. Dig a little deeper.

Tombstone RJ · 01-13-2011, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

The last time that Fox had the #2 pick? Julius Peppers. Is DeQuan Bowers in our future?

1st round picks:
RB - 3
LB - 3
OT - 2
DE - 1
CB - 1
LB - 1

2nd round picks:
RB - 2
C - 2
WR - 2
CB - 1
DE - 1
S - 1
QB - 1
DT - 1

3rd round picks:
LB - 3
WR - 3
OT - 2
DT - 2
TE - 1
OG - 1
DE - 1
CB - 1

Notable scores: Peppers (1), Jordan Gross (1), Steve Smith (3), Kris Jenkins (2), Ricky Manning (3), Thomas Davis (1), Charles Johnson (3), Dan Morgan (1), Chris Gamble (1), Ryan Kalil (2), Jon Beason (1), DeAngelo Williams/Jonathan Stewart (both 1's)
Noteable whiffs: Keary Colbert (2), Dywane Jarrett (2) (note...do NOT draft WR's from USC), Eric Shelton (2), Bruce Nelson (2)

Really, there were surprisingly few whiffs in the first two rounds, most of which were second-round picks. The Panthers' problems do not appear to be due to lack of adding talent through the draft.

*I inlcuded the "2001 Draft" from wikipedia, but I couldnt figure out whether it was Siefert or Fox who made those picks. That was an important draft for Carolina...it netted Dan Morgan, Kris Jenkins, and Steve Smith all in the first three rounds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolin..._draft_history

also...Bill Williamson or Mike Klis or whomever...if you rip this information off, at least give credit to orangemane.com.

Nice find! I know that I really liked some of Carolina's picks, I was pretty high on Morgan and Beason. Morgan turned into a disppointment becuase of injuries. Really like the RBs Carolina drafted too.

epicSocialism4tw · 01-13-2011, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bfoflcommish

And with all that draft "scores" they still managed to finish worse then us.

And thats a good point to raise that begs the question why.

Inkana7 · 01-13-2011, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore

Most of those players aren't on the team anymore and the few that were are inured this year. Dig a little deeper.

Yup.

Pony Boy · 01-13-2011, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Fox didn't have personnel say in Carolina. I'm sure he gave his input, but he never made the final call.

Link Please?

zdoor · 01-13-2011, 02:33 PM

I'm optimistic.

Agamemnon · 01-13-2011, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

Do you have a link that would prove that he made no decisions in terms of the draft in Carolina?

It's pretty commonly known. They have the traditional Owner-GM-Coach structure. The GM gets the players and the coach coaches them. I'm sure he had some input, but in the end he had no real say in personnel moves. I'm sure the three-way consensus approach that we are going with is appealing to him as he will now have more of a voice.

bfoflcommish · 01-13-2011, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore

Most of those players aren't on the team anymore and the few that were are inured this year. Dig a little deeper.

you can only blame ownership sooo much. look at rockies even with piss poor owners they still hit jackpot every few years.

bendog · 01-13-2011, 02:36 PM

too many rb's in the first for me, but he didn't have personnel control.

epicSocialism4tw · 01-13-2011, 02:37 PM

Also...

When analyzing that information in the original post, remember that a team drafts both for best player available and to fill holes, so Fox's tendancies may not be the same here in Denver.

For example, Denver has alot of deficiencies on defense that might skew the number of players he drafts for defense in that direction rather than what is typical of the pattern he demonstrated in Carolina.

Kaylore · 01-13-2011, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bfoflcommish

you can only blame ownership sooo much. look at rockies even with piss poor owners they still hit jackpot every few years.

The Rockies front office is awesome. Holiday for Houston Street and Carlos Gonzales? They are the model of developing home grown prospects. That's not them getting lucky, they are good at it. Wrong again.

Agamemnon · 01-13-2011, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

And thats a good point to raise that begs the question why.

They are incredibly cheap and rarely resign people. They do not address their needs through FA generally speaking. They have long neglected the QB position, relying on mediocrity to carry them through. Those are some reasons.

epicSocialism4tw · 01-13-2011, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

It's pretty commonly known. They have the traditional Owner-GM-Coach structure. The GM gets the players and the coach coaches them. I'm sure he had some input, but in the end he had no real say in personnel moves. I'm sure the three-way consensus approach that we are going with is appealing to him as he will now have more of a voice.

I know that, but I dont know specifically how Carolina's system worked. They may have a list of players to choose from from information that Fox gives them or the other way around. It wouldnt make sense to suggest that Fox was completely removed from the scouting process or the decision-making process.

bfoflcommish · 01-13-2011, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore

The Rockies front office is awesome. Holiday for Houston Street and Carlos Gonzales? They are the model of developing home grown prospects. That's not them getting lucky, they are good at it. Wrong again.

Im sorry but rockies ownership is far from GOOD. again they have hit jackpoit a few times

Zoobie · 01-13-2011, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

They are incredibly cheap and rarely resign people. They do not address their needs through FA generally speaking. They have long neglected the QB position, relying on mediocrity to carry them through. Those are some reasons.

You should not address your needs in FA, good teams do it through the draft.

Agamemnon · 01-13-2011, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

I know that, but I dont know specifically how Carolina's system worked. They may have a list of players to choose from from information that Fox gives them or the other way around. It wouldnt make sense to suggest that Fox was completely removed from the scouting process or the decision-making process.

It may not make sense, but from what I understand it's the truth. It started becoming a real issue over his last few seasons from what I understand. He really didn't like the rosters he was being given to work with and started becoming disgruntled. It's all speculation and rumors mind you, but that's what I've heard.

Agamemnon · 01-13-2011, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoobie

You should not address your needs in FA, good teams do it through the draft.

No, good teams do both. You shouldn't overspend in FA.

epicSocialism4tw · 01-13-2011, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

It may not make sense, but from what I understand it's the truth. It started becoming a real issue over his last few seasons from what I understand. He really didn't like the rosters he was being given to work with and started becoming disgruntled. It's all speculation and rumors mind you, but that's what I've heard.

It doesnt make any sense that he would be left out of the scouting process since he is ultimately the guy who puts the players on the field.

01-13-2011, 02:04 PM	#1
epicSocialism4tw Tebowing the long haul all the way to the title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX, USA Posts: 37,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	John Fox Draft History The last time that Fox had the #2 pick? Julius Peppers. Is DeQuan Bowers in our future? 1st round picks: RB - 3 LB - 3 OT - 2 DE - 1 CB - 1 LB - 1 2nd round picks: RB - 2 C - 2 WR - 2 CB - 1 DE - 1 S - 1 QB - 1 DT - 1 3rd round picks: LB - 3 WR - 3 OT - 2 DT - 2 TE - 1 OG - 1 DE - 1 CB - 1 Notable scores: Peppers (1), Jordan Gross (1), Steve Smith (3), Kris Jenkins (2), Ricky Manning (3), Thomas Davis (1), Charles Johnson (3), Dan Morgan (1), Chris Gamble (1), Ryan Kalil (2), Jon Beason (1), DeAngelo Williams/Jonathan Stewart (both 1's) Noteable whiffs: Keary Colbert (2), Dywane Jarrett (2) (note...do NOT draft WR's from USC), Eric Shelton (2), Bruce Nelson (2) Really, there were surprisingly few whiffs in the first two rounds, most of which were second-round picks. The Panthers' problems do not appear to be due to lack of adding talent through the draft. I inlcuded the "2001 Draft" from wikipedia, but I couldnt figure out whether it was Siefert or Fox who made those picks. That was an important draft for Carolina...it netted Dan Morgan, Kris Jenkins, and Steve Smith all in the first three rounds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolin..._draft_history also...Bill Williamson or Mike Klis or whomever...if you rip this information off, at least give credit to orangemane.com. Last edited by epicSocialism4tw; 01-13-2011 at 02:13 PM..*

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01-13-2011, 02:21 PM	#2
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,043	He found some fine talent on that list. We need someone like a Julius Peppers, who can disrupt the backfield and make plays...

01-13-2011, 02:21 PM	#3
BroncoInferno Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 12,999	Fox didn't have personnel say in Carolina. I'm sure he gave his input, but he never made the final call.

01-13-2011, 02:24 PM	#4
RunSilentRunDeep Ring of Famer I root for laundry Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,403 Adopt-a-Bronco: Matt Prater	That draft record was underwhelming.

01-13-2011, 02:28 PM	#7
bfoflcommish Time for Broncos Football GO..........BRONCOS Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Mile High Posts: 3,304 Adopt-a-Bronco: Steve Atwater	And with all that draft "scores" they still managed to finish worse then us.

01-13-2011, 02:33 PM	#13
zdoor Jamaica Bound! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Templeton, Ca. Posts: 1,672	I'm optimistic.

01-13-2011, 02:36 PM	#16
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	too many rb's in the first for me, but he didn't have personnel control.

01-13-2011, 02:37 PM	#17
epicSocialism4tw Tebowing the long haul all the way to the title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX, USA Posts: 37,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	Also... When analyzing that information in the original post, remember that a team drafts both for best player available and to fill holes, so Fox's tendancies may not be the same here in Denver. For example, Denver has alot of deficiencies on defense that might skew the number of players he drafts for defense in that direction rather than what is typical of the pattern he demonstrated in Carolina.