Miami Blogs: "Orton for our #1" - The Orange Mane

Smilin Assassin · 01-10-2011, 10:01 AM

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/spor..._or_trade.html

"Here are the two most obvious options this off-season:

1. Trade with Denver for Kyle Orton. This might cost as much as a No. 1 pick. Crazy? Maybe. Depending on the coach, Orton appears the best hope among the veterans out there. The Dolphins almost certainly would have to overpay with a No. 1 to tempt Denver into trading him. If I'm Denver, I'm not sure what I do then. I can't count on Tim Tebow that much.

Other veteran options? Donovan McNabb is 34 and been dismissed by two quarterback-centric coaches in Andy Reid and Mike Shanahan. Kevin Kolb is more untested and raised in a West Coast offense, though the big plus with him is Reid turned the franchise over to Kolb before Michael Vick's magic carpet took off. Kolb might fit if (please, no) Jon Gruden is brought in.

Orton is 28, has started five years, has built up some good experience and scars in Chicago and Denver. He had a good working relationship with Brandon Marshall last year. The past two seasons, he's thrown 41 touchdowns against 20 interceptions and his rating is 87.2 He's not a franchise quarterback yet. Is he on the verge of being one? Having him would solve a lot of Dolphins problems."

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/theda...make-the-call/

"One sticking point is that Miami doesn’t have a second-round pick in this year’s draft, having traded it for Marshall. With the Dolphins also needing a speedy No. 2 receiver, perhaps the Broncos could toss in a burner like Eddie Royal, who had 59 catches for 627 yards this season, and make it worth a No. 1. Just a thought."

TheElusiveKyleOrton · 01-10-2011, 10:04 AM

I'd trade Orton and Royal for their #1 right now.

Although I'd ask them to throw in a conditional pick, anywhere from a 3-5 rounder based on play.

broncs2bowl · 01-10-2011, 10:04 AM

Id do it in a heartbeat

worm · 01-10-2011, 10:09 AM

Do this trade.....then trade down our own #1 pick to Dallas and I will heart this new and improved front office.

DrFate · 01-10-2011, 10:09 AM

I like Royal - I think he was a victim of McDaniel mishandling

Guy had a huge rookie season...

BlaK-Argentina · 01-10-2011, 10:10 AM

They have Bess, why would they take Royal? Dumb. Plus I want to keep Royal.

Drek · 01-10-2011, 10:11 AM

No way would I throw Royal into that deal. Swapping Orton and their second back to them? Sure. But no Royal. In a year or two Lloyd and Gaffney will be afterthoughts and Royal is a perfect slot compliment to Decker and Thomas.

This is a three WR (minimum) league now and Royal has a skill set no one else on our offense can replicate out of the slot. We'll wind up drafting a similar player down the road in the first or second if we made that kind of move.

Likwid Kerruj · 01-10-2011, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smilin Assassin

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/spor..._or_trade.html

He's not a franchise quarterback yet.

A number 1 for Orton would be amazing.

Chris · 01-10-2011, 10:12 AM

Lloyd isn't that old. I think he has 4 good seasons left. Why the negative prognosis Drek?

Pony Boy · 01-10-2011, 10:13 AM

We will be very lucky if we get a #2 for Orton.

footstepsfrom#27 · 01-10-2011, 10:18 AM

I doubt we can get a #1 for Orton but stranger things have happened ...NO to "tossing in" Eddie Royal that would suck, but a 3rd and Orton for the Fish #1 would be OK with me. Then we draft that Nevada kid to be the scout team QB and develop him for two years down the road to be Tebow's backup and Quinn moves up...or do we sign someone else to back up Tebow?

Gutless Drunk · 01-10-2011, 10:23 AM

Vernon Davis says bring in Orton. It's going to be a bidding war!
Culteresque... at least two no. 1's

Drek · 01-10-2011, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris

Lloyd isn't that old. I think he has 4 good seasons left. Why the negative prognosis Drek?

Look at his career numbers. I was big on Lloyd heading into this season but he's a system fit more than anything. He's possibly got a couple good years left but I'd never want to pay him top dollar for those years and then some to follow, which is what he's going to want. Our best option is to either deal him while he's hot in the off-season or ride out the 2011 season with him and get the best comp pick possible for the 2013 draft.

razorwire77 · 01-10-2011, 10:24 AM

Interesting speculation and it would be tempting considering WR is the one position on this team I consider deep. DT, Decker, and Willis are all young guys with huge upside. Swap Royal for Jabar Gaffney and I'd jump at that deal.

BroncoInferno · 01-10-2011, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

I doubt we can get a #1 for Orton but stranger things have happened ...NO to "tossing in" Eddie Royal that would suck, but a 3rd and Orton for the Fish #1 would be OK with me. Then we draft that Nevada kid to be the scout team QB and develop him for two years down the road to be Tebow's backup and Quinn moves up...or do we sign someone else to back up Tebow?

I think Andy Dalton from TCU would be a nice 6th or 7th round pick to use on a developmental #3 QB. He's got excellent mobility and is a very intelligent player, the perfect sort of backup you'd want for Tebow.

Chris · 01-10-2011, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drek

Look at his career numbers. I was big on Lloyd heading into this season but he's a system fit more than anything. He's possibly got a couple good years left but I'd never want to pay him top dollar for those years and then some to follow, which is what he's going to want. Our best option is to either deal him while he's hot in the off-season or ride out the 2011 season with him and get the best comp pick possible for the 2013 draft.

He's a physical freak who has underachieved. Just because he's not a beast doesn't mean he's a guy solely benefiting from the system. I think the guy made too many plays out of nothing to not have a great deal. He has the physical ability to be special in any system IMO.

spdirty · 01-10-2011, 10:27 AM

I wish this guy ran Miamis front office.

cmhargrove · 01-10-2011, 10:27 AM

I don't know about Royal, but how would they like a sensational first round running back like Maroney?

BroncoInferno · 01-10-2011, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drek

Look at his career numbers. I was big on Lloyd heading into this season but he's a system fit more than anything. He's possibly got a couple good years left but I'd never want to pay him top dollar for those years and then some to follow, which is what he's going to want. Our best option is to either deal him while he's hot in the off-season or ride out the 2011 season with him and get the best comp pick possible for the 2013 draft.

I've also sort of thought about using him as trade bait this offseason. He's going to want a big extension, and we have excellent depth and youth at the WR spot, so I think those financial resources could be better allocated elsewhere. The question is whether or not we could get a deal that would make it worth our while? Boldin is a similar age to Lloyd, far more proven on a year to year basis, and he was dealt for a 3rd and a 5th. So, you wouldn't expect to get much more than that for Lloyd, who may be viewed as a possible one year wonder. To me, it's only worth considering for a 2nd rounder, and I'm not sure anyone would offer that given that he's almost 30 and only has one great season.

misturanderson · 01-10-2011, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drek

Look at his career numbers. I was big on Lloyd heading into this season but he's a system fit more than anything. He's possibly got a couple good years left but I'd never want to pay him top dollar for those years and then some to follow, which is what he's going to want. Our best option is to either deal him while he's hot in the off-season or ride out the 2011 season with him and get the best comp pick possible for the 2013 draft.

This will only be a viable option if Thomas proves that he can stay healthy. He'll need to take over the #2 receiver role, at the very least, next year for it to be wise to let Lloyd walk barring some sort of major drop-off in production.

Kaylore · 01-10-2011, 10:32 AM

I'd take Orton for a first in a heartbeat. I don't like the idea of trading Royal unless the staff feels good about Decker and Thomas, and even then I'm lukewarm on the idea unless it's for good money.

Royal wants to be a Redskin anyway.

baja · 01-10-2011, 10:33 AM

Orton has more value than a lot of you guys are thinking.

HEAV · 01-10-2011, 10:33 AM

If any team gives Denver more than a 2nd for orton it would be theft!

I like Kyle an all but a low 2nd 3rd is more likely.

baja · 01-10-2011, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

I've also sort of thought about using him as trade bait this offseason. He's going to want a big extension, and we have excellent depth and youth at the WR spot, so I think those financial resources could be better allocated elsewhere. The question is whether or not we could get a deal that would make it worth our while? Boldin is a similar age to Lloyd, far more proven on a year to year basis, and he was dealt for a 3rd and a 5th. So, you wouldn't expect to get much more than that for Lloyd, who may be viewed as a possible one year wonder. To me, it's only worth considering for a 2nd rounder, and I'm not sure anyone would offer that given that he's almost 30 and only has one great season.

Lets hope Josh gets a OC job somewhere.

footstepsfrom#27 · 01-10-2011, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

I think Andy Dalton from TCU would be a nice 6th or 7th round pick to use on a developmental #3 QB. He's got excellent mobility and is a very intelligent player, the perfect sort of backup you'd want for Tebow.

Yeah, somewhere on here I posted the same thing. I don't know where he's going...maybe later than that. The Nevada kid is intgriguing though if you haven't seen him. 6'6" 225 and he can probably pout on another 15 pounds by the time he's a roster possibility. But he's a superior playmaker in the Tebow mold with speed...kid looked good carning up Boston College the other night...plus he beat Boise State...who eles did that?

I'm gonne be watching Fairley tonight.

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01-10-2011, 10:01 AM	#1
Smilin Assassin Tradition Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: East Coast Posts: 1,620	Miami Blogs: "Orton for our #1" http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/spor..._or_trade.html "Here are the two most obvious options this off-season: 1. Trade with Denver for Kyle Orton. This might cost as much as a No. 1 pick. Crazy? Maybe. Depending on the coach, Orton appears the best hope among the veterans out there. The Dolphins almost certainly would have to overpay with a No. 1 to tempt Denver into trading him. If I'm Denver, I'm not sure what I do then. I can't count on Tim Tebow that much. Other veteran options? Donovan McNabb is 34 and been dismissed by two quarterback-centric coaches in Andy Reid and Mike Shanahan. Kevin Kolb is more untested and raised in a West Coast offense, though the big plus with him is Reid turned the franchise over to Kolb before Michael Vick's magic carpet took off. Kolb might fit if (please, no) Jon Gruden is brought in. Orton is 28, has started five years, has built up some good experience and scars in Chicago and Denver. He had a good working relationship with Brandon Marshall last year. The past two seasons, he's thrown 41 touchdowns against 20 interceptions and his rating is 87.2 He's not a franchise quarterback yet. Is he on the verge of being one? Having him would solve a lot of Dolphins problems." http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/theda...make-the-call/ "One sticking point is that Miami doesn’t have a second-round pick in this year’s draft, having traded it for Marshall. With the Dolphins also needing a speedy No. 2 receiver, perhaps the Broncos could toss in a burner like Eddie Royal, who had 59 catches for 627 yards this season, and make it worth a No. 1. Just a thought."

01-10-2011, 10:04 AM	#2
TheElusiveKyleOrton www.dailydickpunch.com @RMoneyBadger Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Steamboat Springs Posts: 9,767 Adopt-a-Bronco: "Debo" Franklin	I'd trade Orton and Royal for their #1 right now. Although I'd ask them to throw in a conditional pick, anywhere from a 3-5 rounder based on play. __________________ Nobody puts Jay-bee in the corner. Last edited by TheElusiveKyleOrton; 01-10-2011 at 10:07 AM..

01-10-2011, 10:04 AM	#3
broncs2bowl Ring of Famer ^Club of Death^ Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,183 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	Id do it in a heartbeat

01-10-2011, 10:09 AM	#4
worm Great moments are born... ...from great opportunity Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,947 Adopt-a-Bronco: #20	Do this trade.....then trade down our own #1 pick to Dallas and I will heart this new and improved front office.

01-10-2011, 10:09 AM	#5
DrFate Lord of Order Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Tower of Fate Posts: 4,388	I like Royal - I think he was a victim of McDaniel mishandling Guy had a huge rookie season...

01-10-2011, 10:10 AM	#6
BlaK-Argentina Pampita says... ... support your team! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mar del Plata, Argentina. Posts: 5,174 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eddie Royal	They have Bess, why would they take Royal? Dumb. Plus I want to keep Royal.

01-10-2011, 10:11 AM	#7
Drek Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 12,315	No way would I throw Royal into that deal. Swapping Orton and their second back to them? Sure. But no Royal. In a year or two Lloyd and Gaffney will be afterthoughts and Royal is a perfect slot compliment to Decker and Thomas. This is a three WR (minimum) league now and Royal has a skill set no one else on our offense can replicate out of the slot. We'll wind up drafting a similar player down the road in the first or second if we made that kind of move.

01-10-2011, 10:12 AM	#9
Chris Millenium Scrooge McDuck Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 7,497 Adopt-a-Bronco: OrlandoFranklin	Lloyd isn't that old. I think he has 4 good seasons left. Why the negative prognosis Drek?

01-10-2011, 10:13 AM	#10
Pony Boy "Whoa Nellie" Rub some dirt on it Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,279 Adopt-a-Bronco: mellon head	We will be very lucky if we get a #2 for Orton.

01-10-2011, 10:18 AM	#11
footstepsfrom#27 helmet to helmet hitter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 16,116 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joe Mays	I doubt we can get a #1 for Orton but stranger things have happened ...NO to "tossing in" Eddie Royal that would suck, but a 3rd and Orton for the Fish #1 would be OK with me. Then we draft that Nevada kid to be the scout team QB and develop him for two years down the road to be Tebow's backup and Quinn moves up...or do we sign someone else to back up Tebow?

01-10-2011, 10:23 AM	#12
Gutless Drunk Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 918 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Vernon Davis says bring in Orton. It's going to be a bidding war! Culteresque... at least two no. 1's

01-10-2011, 10:24 AM	#14
razorwire77 Tapenade Swagga Splotchy Headed Assassin Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 3,240 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mario Fannin	Interesting speculation and it would be tempting considering WR is the one position on this team I consider deep. DT, Decker, and Willis are all young guys with huge upside. Swap Royal for Jabar Gaffney and I'd jump at that deal.

01-10-2011, 10:27 AM	#17
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,883 Adopt-a-Bronco: Koppen	I wish this guy ran Miamis front office.

01-10-2011, 10:27 AM	#18
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,396 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	I don't know about Royal, but how would they like a sensational first round running back like Maroney?

01-10-2011, 10:32 AM	#21
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,009 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	I'd take Orton for a first in a heartbeat. I don't like the idea of trading Royal unless the staff feels good about Decker and Thomas, and even then I'm lukewarm on the idea unless it's for good money. Royal wants to be a Redskin anyway.

01-10-2011, 10:33 AM	#22
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,764 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	Orton has more value than a lot of you guys are thinking.

01-10-2011, 10:33 AM	#23
HEAV Ring of Famer It's about the Team Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Ville Posts: 12,077 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brian Dawkins	If any team gives Denver more than a 2nd for orton it would be theft! I like Kyle an all but a low 2nd 3rd is more likely.