Luck? I'd Rather Talk About Huck... Finn. - The Orange Mane

RhymesayersDU · 01-05-2011, 09:19 PM

The controversy that's sweeping the nation. Should Huckleberry Finn be censored?

Vote!

Dagmar · 01-05-2011, 09:22 PM

No.

Bloody hell America.

NUB · 01-05-2011, 09:38 PM

I wish these damn "politically correct" people would stop being nigards about what is proper and what isn't.

beanerbronco · 01-05-2011, 09:51 PM

What's the point of having a teacher then? I remember reading it in school and my teacher taking the time to make us understand why certain words were used and whatnot. This is nuts

CBF1 · 01-05-2011, 09:53 PM

Crushaholic · 01-05-2011, 10:01 PM

So far, it's no controversy, here...

Miss I. · 01-05-2011, 10:07 PM

what? Is this serious? no of course it shouldn't be censored. Did someone get ahold of the key to Dad's liquor cabinet?

Pony Boy · 01-05-2011, 10:21 PM

You walk up to me a Native American and call me a "redskin" to my face and see if you have any teeth left, so why is that an acceptable name in the NFL.

Ray_Lewis'_Victim · 01-05-2011, 10:25 PM

****a Please.....

Don't censor Huck Finn

Miss I. · 01-05-2011, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

You walk up to me a Natvie American and call me a "redskin" to my face and see if you have any teeth left, so why is that an acceptable name in the NFL.

actually I kind of wondered that myself.

But as for Huck Finn, it's novel written during a time period where that word was part of the culture. If anything, leaving it in should provide for a discussion on the origin of the word and culturally what it means and why it is not appropriate to use anymore, not to mention to discuss the power of the written word. That word is powerful and just hiding it will not make it go away and editing a novel hundred years after the fact is just stupid.

CBF1 · 01-05-2011, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

You walk up to me a Natvie American and call me a "redskin" to my face and see if you have any teeth left, so why is that an acceptable name in the NFL.

First thing I would do is learn you hows to spell.... Native

Pony Boy · 01-05-2011, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miss I.

actually I kind of wondered that myself.

But as for Huck Finn, it's novel written during a time period where that word was part of the culture. If anything, leaving it in should provide for a discussion on the origin of the word and culturally what it means and why it is not appropriate to use anymore, not to mention to discuss the power of the written word. That word is powerful and just hiding it will not make it go away and editing a novel hundred years after the fact is just stupid.

I agree but it's already happened, try to find a copy of the childrens book "Brer rabbit and the tar baby" in the childrens section at the library......

Pony Boy · 01-05-2011, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBF1

First thing I would do is learn you hows to spell.... Native

Yep, I start getting a little cross-eyed after midnight.... wait I don't think cross-eyed is "politically correct".

CBF1 · 01-05-2011, 10:49 PM

damn racist

footstepsfrom#27 · 01-05-2011, 10:51 PM

WTF? Who wants to screw with Huck Finn? Crazy...

Requiem · 01-05-2011, 10:53 PM

I'm on the southside of Chicago lookin for a real hoe
I dont see a touchdown, arms up field goal
Got some ill gold, diamonds thats still low
Lil dick you a dickhead, nah dilldo
I chill though, pippin in the Range
All this icin I'm ashamed, look like lightnin' in the chain
Who was first that moved wit they fam (who)
Ask you, tattoos on they hand (who)
Slang all the white (who) cruise wit the tan (who)
Pink on they back (who) blue in they van (who)
Yellow on his ear (who) steam on the rock (who)
Puple in the air (who) green in his pocket
I aint dissin you dog, I'm dismissin you
Get the R. Kelly tape and see how we piss on you
Thats Kool-Aid, Mountain Dew, and Cris on you
Ya family will be missin you, theres a kiss for you

BowlenBall · 01-05-2011, 10:58 PM

I absolutely loathe the "N" word -- it's one of the very few words I would never say in any context. I also appreciate how having such a foul word in a great piece of literature over 200 times makes elementary school librarians uncomfortable.

That being said -- censorship is rarely appropriate, and this case is preposterous. Twain was a great respecter of the brotherhood of humanity, and indeed one of the major themes of Huck Finn is how people of different races can be friends. His use of the word is intentional and used for effect.

Better to have a preface to any edition which addresses the use of the 'N word' in an analytical and respectful fashion than to bowdlerize a great work.

Mark Twain himself said it best: "The difference between the almost right word & the right word is really a large matter--it's the difference between the lightning bug and the lightning."

atomicbloke · 01-05-2011, 11:11 PM

Jesus Christ..... don't people have any better use for their time....

That One Guy · 01-05-2011, 11:14 PM

I don't recall which writing it was, it may have just been an autobiography or one of his ramblings, but he went into talking about how he was joking with one of their servants about how he was going to go have sex with her daughter and made a comment that he was just teasing because if he wanted to, he could've just gone and done it.

If you hate the word (especially in today's culture), you hate the sentiment of Twain. If you hate the sentiment, deleting one word here or there wont change it into Robinson Crusoe.

This sounds as good a time as any to read one of my favorite short pieces - a Twain work called Burlesque Autobiography. It's dumb but amusing.

That One Guy · 01-05-2011, 11:17 PM

And as for the use of the word, I don't use it because I can. If anyone ever tried to make it an issue, I'd be more apt to use it. Anyone who caves to a limit on free speech is weak. Heck, just get a reader and read all the books you want off Project Gutenburg if you're gonna spend money.

Dr. Broncenstein · 01-05-2011, 11:25 PM

Naggers?

That One Guy · 01-05-2011, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein

Naggers?

Loved that one.

cutthemdown · 01-06-2011, 12:33 AM

Southpark is the best show ever.

RhymesayersDU · 01-06-2011, 06:03 AM

So here's a question:

In an interview, one proponent of the censorship said the following, paraphrased of course:

"I'm not a fan of censorship in general, but if changing 200 words or so in the book gets ot back into schools and libraries, so be it."

Now I'm not a fan of caving in, but what do you guys think of changing the n-word to "slave" and now getting the book back into schools and libraries?

I'm anti-censorship myself, but kids should be reading it. I read it in school. Fantastic book.

Binkythefrog · 01-06-2011, 06:07 AM

I totally think this is ridiculous as well.

Roger Ebert had a good tweet about this:

https://twitter.com/ebertchicago/sta...6387810779136#

"I rather be called a n***** than a slave"

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01-05-2011, 09:19 PM	#1
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Dagmar ...there ain't no devil ..there's just God when he's drunk. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Morrison Posts: 17,132 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tim Tebow	No. Bloody hell America.

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beanerbronco Solid Starter New to the Forum Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 206 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Brandstater	What's the point of having a teacher then? I remember reading it in school and my teacher taking the time to make us understand why certain words were used and whatnot. This is nuts

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Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,043	So far, it's no controversy, here...

01-05-2011, 10:07 PM	#7
Miss I. Ring of Famer Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,025	what? Is this serious? no of course it shouldn't be censored. Did someone get ahold of the key to Dad's liquor cabinet?

01-05-2011, 10:25 PM	#9
Ray_Lewis'_Victim Corpse Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Golden Posts: 110	****a Please..... Don't censor Huck Finn

01-05-2011, 10:49 PM	#14
CBF1 Ring of Famer No avatar is the new avatar Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 14,907 Adopt-a-Bronco: Jack Del rio	damn racist

01-05-2011, 10:51 PM	#15
footstepsfrom#27 helmet to helmet hitter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 16,117 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joe Mays	WTF? Who wants to screw with Huck Finn? Crazy...

01-05-2011, 10:53 PM	#16
Requiem ~~~ ~ ~ ~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Earth Division Posts: 19,553 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gilgamesh	I'm on the southside of Chicago lookin for a real hoe I dont see a touchdown, arms up field goal Got some ill gold, diamonds thats still low Lil dick you a dickhead, nah dilldo I chill though, pippin in the Range All this icin I'm ashamed, look like lightnin' in the chain Who was first that moved wit they fam (who) Ask you, tattoos on they hand (who) Slang all the white (who) cruise wit the tan (who) Pink on they back (who) blue in they van (who) Yellow on his ear (who) steam on the rock (who) Puple in the air (who) green in his pocket I aint dissin you dog, I'm dismissin you Get the R. Kelly tape and see how we piss on you Thats Kool-Aid, Mountain Dew, and Cris on you Ya family will be missin you, theres a kiss for you

01-05-2011, 10:58 PM	#17
BowlenBall Owner. Philanthropist. Pimp. Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 4,346 Adopt-a-Bronco: Lucas Reed	I absolutely loathe the "N" word -- it's one of the very few words I would never say in any context. I also appreciate how having such a foul word in a great piece of literature over 200 times makes elementary school librarians uncomfortable. That being said -- censorship is rarely appropriate, and this case is preposterous. Twain was a great respecter of the brotherhood of humanity, and indeed one of the major themes of Huck Finn is how people of different races can be friends. His use of the word is intentional and used for effect. Better to have a preface to any edition which addresses the use of the 'N word' in an analytical and respectful fashion than to bowdlerize a great work. Mark Twain himself said it best: "The difference between the almost right word & the right word is really a large matter--it's the difference between the lightning bug and the lightning."

01-05-2011, 11:11 PM	#18
atomicbloke Ring of Famer La 12 Boca Juniors Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 2,347 Adopt-a-Bronco: Offensive Line	Jesus Christ..... don't people have any better use for their time....

01-05-2011, 11:14 PM	#19
That One Guy Producer of Nonsense Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sun and Beachville Posts: 14,042 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I don't recall which writing it was, it may have just been an autobiography or one of his ramblings, but he went into talking about how he was joking with one of their servants about how he was going to go have sex with her daughter and made a comment that he was just teasing because if he wanted to, he could've just gone and done it. If you hate the word (especially in today's culture), you hate the sentiment of Twain. If you hate the sentiment, deleting one word here or there wont change it into Robinson Crusoe. This sounds as good a time as any to read one of my favorite short pieces - a Twain work called Burlesque Autobiography. It's dumb but amusing.

01-05-2011, 11:17 PM	#20
That One Guy Producer of Nonsense Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sun and Beachville Posts: 14,042 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	And as for the use of the word, I don't use it because I can. If anyone ever tried to make it an issue, I'd be more apt to use it. Anyone who caves to a limit on free speech is weak. Heck, just get a reader and read all the books you want off Project Gutenburg if you're gonna spend money.

01-05-2011, 11:25 PM	#21
Dr. Broncenstein Overdriven Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Sterile Fields Posts: 11,618 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Woodyard	Naggers?

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01-06-2011, 06:03 AM	#24
RhymesayersDU Go Broncos, Nuggets, Rox GANGNAM STYLE Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back In The 303! Posts: 14,812 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ty Lawson	So here's a question: In an interview, one proponent of the censorship said the following, paraphrased of course: "I'm not a fan of censorship in general, but if changing 200 words or so in the book gets ot back into schools and libraries, so be it." Now I'm not a fan of caving in, but what do you guys think of changing the n-word to "slave" and now getting the book back into schools and libraries? I'm anti-censorship myself, but kids should be reading it. I read it in school. Fantastic book.

01-06-2011, 06:07 AM	#25
Binkythefrog Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 310	I totally think this is ridiculous as well. Roger Ebert had a good tweet about this: https://twitter.com/ebertchicago/sta...6387810779136# "I rather be called a n***** than a slave"