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Old 01-05-2011, 08:08 AM   #1
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Old 01-05-2011, 08:09 AM   #2
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boo....he is what Jim Dolan is to the NYR's.....
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Old 01-05-2011, 08:12 AM   #4
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I don't like it. The franchise has been moving in the wrong direction with many horrible decisions since Ellis has been involved. Ellis has had more power than everyone other than Bowlen for at least a couple years. It would have been nice to see everyone in the front office canned after this season.
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He has been for some time, so I guess this just makes it official.
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He basically is in the role Bowlen was and Elway is in the role Ellis was......basically the football side of the deal, Elway is running, so I don't get what the problem is

and Bowlen is not going to fire his good friend, sorry, that wasn't EVER going to happen
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He has been for some time, so I guess this just makes it official.
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What that means is Ellis is officially running the team on a day-to-day basis. He had been the past two years, anyway. But now, it's clear.

And he's done the worst job in the history of the franchise in that two years.
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So here's what looks to be your new structure:

Owner and CEO - Pat Bowlen (Owns the team, provides capital)

President - Joe Ellis (Handles day-to-day business operations)

Executive Vice President of Football Operations - John Elway (In charge of GM and Head Coach, final say on personnel)

General Manager - Brian Xanders (Leads player personnel department)

Head Coach - TBD (Will build the coaching staff, coach the team and provide input on personnel)

Director of Pro Personnel - Keith Kidd (Personnel evaluator of internal veterans and free agents)

Director of College Scouting - Matt Russell (Personnel evaluator of college prospects and oversees regional scouts)

Director of Football Administration - Mike Bluem (Responsible for managing salary cap)
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So here's what looks to be your new structure:

Owner and CEO - Pat Bowlen (Owns the team, provides capital)

President - Joe Ellis (Handles day-to-day business operations)

Executive Vice President of Football Operations - John Elway (In charge of GM and Head Coach, final say on personnel)

General Manager - Brian Xanders (Leads player personnel department)

Head Coach - TBD (Will build the coaching staff, coach the team and provide input on personnel)

Director of Pro Personnel - Keith Kidd (Personnel evaluator of internal veterans and free agents)

Director of College Scouting - Orange Mane (Personnel evaluator of college prospects and oversees regional scouts)
Director of Football Administration - Mike Bluem (Responsible for managing salary cap)
Sorry but I had to make one minor correction
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Old 01-05-2011, 08:39 AM   #13
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"Andrew Luck looks like Ryan Leaf and I don't like his voice, drop him off the board."
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Old 01-05-2011, 08:45 AM   #15
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Brian Xanders - general manager..
Looks like Bowlen didn't learn the leason..
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Matt Millen is wishing Elway the best. Says he stunk at it.
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The only light on this IMO is Elway having final say on Personnel.....that makes Xanders somewhat accountable
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The only light on this IMO is Elway having final say on Personnel.....that makes Xanders somewhat accountable
Out of curiousity, where did you see this? I've heard that a few times. All I've been able to read from the official announcements is that Xanders will report to Elway, but nothing about Elway "having final say." I'm assuming there's an article I haven't read.
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Maybe now Ellis will stick to business decisions, like how to get fans butts in seats and which car dealers are the official car dealers of the Denver Broncos, rather than football decisions, and let Elway/Xanders handle the football.

Might actually work better.
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Out of curiousity, where did you see this? I've heard that a few times. All I've been able to read from the official announcements is that Xanders will report to Elway, but nothing about Elway "having final say." I'm assuming there's an article I haven't read.
montrose's post #10....he has added his own personal note next to each position
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Out of curiousity, where did you see this? I've heard that a few times. All I've been able to read from the official announcements is that Xanders will report to Elway, but nothing about Elway "having final say." I'm assuming there's an article I haven't read.
I think its more of a presumption....fox sports on their article talked about him having complete control
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montrose's post #10....he has added his own personal note next to each position
I saw that, but I'm not seeing anything official. I took Montrose's post as one of his theoretical depth charts, but for the front office. I haven't read anywhere about Elway having final say in anything. Again, I liken this to an owner relationship. Of course the owner has "final say" but that doesn't mean he's pulling the strings, necessarily. In Dallas and Oakland he is. In New England and Miami he is not.

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I think its more of a presumption....fox sports on their article talked about him having complete control
That's my point. We actually don't know how the power structure will shake out until stuff starts getting leaked. Until then it's all supposition.

I don't believe Elway wants to dabble. I think he wants to delegate. I also think most of the pushing will come from the traditional pusher: the coach. THAT is the dynamic I want to see. It won't be Elway that emasculates Xanders, if it happens at all; it will be the coach.

My take? Ellis wanted McDaniels and Xanders roles separated and Xanders to have final say. Bowlen was more comfortable with the coach being the be-all, end-all and let McDaniels have his way. This time Ellis said it has to be different and now Bowlen is literally giving the keys away.

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I saw that, but I'm not seeing anything official. I took Montrose's post as one of his theoretical depth charts, but for the front office. I haven't read anywhere about Elway having final say in anything. Again, I liken this to an owner relationship. Of course the owner has "final say" but that doesn't mean he's pulling the strings, necessarily. In Dallas and Oakland he is. In New England and Miami he is not.
maybe it's florio and klis...those two idiots want to compare Elway to Millen (GM/CEO) and Ozzie Newsome (GM).
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Out of curiousity, where did you see this? I've heard that a few times. All I've been able to read from the official announcements is that Xanders will report to Elway, but nothing about Elway "having final say." I'm assuming there's an article I haven't read.
Just read between the lines, or look at Xander's history. Quit only going by the 'official annoucement.'
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I saw that, but I'm not seeing anything official. I took Montrose's post as one of his theoretical depth charts, but for the front office. I haven't read anywhere about Elway having final say in anything. Again, I liken this to an owner relationship. Of course the owner has "final say" but that doesn't mean he's pulling the strings, necessarily. In Dallas and Oakland he is. In New England and Miami he is not.


That's my point. We actually don't know how the power structure will shake out until stuff starts getting leaked. Until then it's all supposition.

I don't believe Elway wants to dabble. I think he wants to delegate. I also think most of the pushing will come from the traditional pusher: the coach. THAT is the dynamic I want to see. It won't be Elway that emasculates Xanders, if it happens at all; it will be the coach.

My take? Ellis wanted McDaniels and Xanders roles separated and Xanders to have final say. Bowlen was more comfortable with the coach being the be-all, end-all and let McDaniels have his way. This time Ellis said it has to be different and now Bowlen is literally giving the keys away.
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