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Old 12-31-2010, 09:32 PM   #1
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Nearly all the discussion I hear on the D-line guys people want us to trade down for invove either Nick Fairley or Marcell Dareus but Clemson's Da'Quan Bowers led the nation in sacks with 15 and finished 2nd in TFL with 25. He's 6'4", 280, expected to go very high. I'm still coveting Patrick Peterson, but would like to hear arguments for this guy...

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Great fit for the 4-3. Not for the 3-4. Beastmode.
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If we switch back to the 4-3 imagine this: We are able to sign a top FA DT like Brandon Mebane. We draft Bowers. We have a DE rotation of Doom, Ayers and Bowers with Mebane and Bannen starting in the middle. Quite a formidable defensive line.

Lots of variables, obviously. We might not get a top flight DT in free agency. We might win this week and slip a few spots in the draft and not have a shot at Bowers or Peterson. It's just a "what if" thought that I have had.
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If we switch back to the 4-3 imagine this: We are able to sign a top FA DT like Brandon Mebane. We draft Bowers. We have a DE rotation of Doom, Ayers and Bowers with Mebane and Bannen starting in the middle. Quite a formidable defensive line.

Lots of variables, obviously. We might not get a top flight DT in free agency. We might win this week and slip a few spots in the draft and not have a shot at Bowers or Peterson. It's just a "what if" thought that I have had.
Bannan, starting in the middle? Nothing formidable about that.
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Old 12-31-2010, 09:51 PM   #5
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Old 12-31-2010, 09:58 PM   #6
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He seems like a good kid and he has some room to get stronger. He's a good athlete and he's a good physical specimen.

The key with these DL'men is finding the ones who have the drive in them to dominate. You dont want a physical specimen who got by on his God-given ability and didnt put in the effort. You want a guy who will work. I dont know if DaQuan is one of those guys or not. Its too bad that Suh isnt around this year. He's exactly what we need.

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Seems like a freak athlete who just dominates weaker opposition, I think he has huge bust potential when I look at DL I look at their get off and how fast they can jump the snap, thats what separates the men from the boys in the NFL and Bowers does not have that first step he seems to lag behind a bit, great run stopper tho I am afraid in the NFL his pass rush would be a bit limited.

The Julius Peppers comparisons I am hearing are way off ......


On the subject of guys with a great first step that boy Fairley definitely does have that but I still prefer Patrick Peterson as our pick.
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I watched the clemson Bowl game. He was hardly noticable. I know he's on Kiper's board as the #2 overall talent...but, I'm not sold. I'd rather go DT first...even if we do go back to a 4-3...then, pick up a kid like Krick or Watts later on in the 2nd round.
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Seems like a freak athlete who just dominates weaker opposition, I think he has huge bust potential when I look at DL I look at their get off and how fast they can jump the snap, thats what separates the men from the boys in the NFL and Bowers does not have that first step he seems to lag behind a bit, great run stopper tho I am afraid in the NFL his pass rush would be a bit limited.

The Julius Peppers comparisons I am hearing are way off ......


On the subject of guys with a great first step that boy Fairley definitely does have that but I still prefer Patrick Peterson as our pick.
Julius Peppers is literally the first player that came to my mind watching his highlight video. The comparisons are deserved.
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Great fit for the 4-3. Not for the 3-4. Beastmode.
I like Bowers as a one gap DE in a 3-4. The major thing i have isses with him is that his motor. I do however like you think he is better fit in the 43.
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I watched the clemson Bowl game. He was hardly noticable. I know he's on Kiper's board as the #2 overall talent...but, I'm not sold. I'd rather go DT first...even if we do go back to a 4-3...then, pick up a kid like Krick or Watts later on in the 2nd round.
I think Watt is a top twenty guy. i like him better then allen, heyward. clayborn.

Crick had a very good year. and i wouldnt doubt him going in the first. He proved to me this year that he could do it wiht out Suh.
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Bowers? Neither dominant nor double teamed yesterday. Dropped into coverage a few times for the RB release, but that looked like his limit. Probably just another over-hyped, scrub 1st-Rnd pick like Ayers.
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Definitely not beastmode in the bowl game. All the guys on the Clemson D-Line (4-3) averaged 55 tackles this year. He is never double-teamed and seems to just be "a guy" from what I saw. If we pick #2 I say Fairley, but hopefully we pick #5 or #6...
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I think Watt is a top twenty guy. i like him better then allen, heyward. clayborn.

Crick had a very good year. and i wouldnt doubt him going in the first. He proved to me this year that he could do it wiht out Suh.
I'm a huge fan of Watt also - I think he is a top 10 talent who is underrated.
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Outside of QB, DE is probably the hardest position to draft for. So many kids can look good against college linemen, any kind of superior athlete can make 12-15 plays in a year against them for sacks, and all of a sudden you have first round potential. I'm not saying that's the case here, but how many DE's taken in the top 10 have made any kind of impact?

The problem with this draft is that there seems to be no slam dunk #2 guy this year, like there was last year with Suh. Now THAT is a player you can build a defense around.
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Outside of QB, DE is probably the hardest position to draft for. So many kids can look good against college linemen, any kind of superior athlete can make 12-15 plays in a year against them for sacks, and all of a sudden you have first round potential.
Wait..."any" kind of superior athlete can get 12-15 sacks in a year? Then why don't they? This guy led the nation with 15 to go with 25 TFL...I'm pretty sure that there are a bunch of superior athletes at that postion who came nowhere close to that. 12-15 sacks sounds like justification for that first round status IMO.
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I don't know...but I hear this argument constantly like it's some kind of unspoken axiom, so I'd like to actually hear the answer. How many? I suspect nobody knows...but it sounds good to say this because it's been repeated so often.
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Not true. Peterson is the clear #2 guy, it's just that nobody wants to accept that since he's a corner. I have no problem taking him but want to hear all arguments against it in favor of D-line too.

I don't know if this kid's the truth or not, but he's being dismissed pretty easily for a guy who is 1) still a junior and, 2) put up eye popping numbers at a position we could use help at. Any player can have an off game, and he must be doing something right to post these kind of numbers against Divison I competition.

Can someone who has spent some time watching Clemson specifically because they're a Tiger fan or because they've been keeping an eye on him respond with a breakdown? Most of the comments so far seem out of wack with what I've read on him and seem thrown together just for this thread. Who has actually spent time studying this kid's game? If you have...weigh in please.
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Reading a bit on this kid, he lost his father in August who he was very close to, and there was some speculation this may have had some impact on him at times this season, which is understandable. It's amazing he overcame that to have a breakout season though, which along is impressive. From what I'm reading so far, he's considered a top 10 pick and we don't know at this point if we're in the 3-4 or the 4-3 so we might as well discuss both options.
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Julius Peppers is literally the first player that came to my mind watching his highlight video. The comparisons are deserved.
Peppers coming out was on a completely different athletic level than Bowers.

He looks like one of the best 4-3 DE prospects in the last few years. Great size for that role, already solid against the run, and is developing as a pass rusher. But his pass rush is all about burst and power, very little technique. I don't think he'll get by with the same bull rush move in the NFL quite so easily.

To me he's something of a wild card still. If he shows off some good technique in work outs and Carolina isn't sold on a QB (i.e. Luck and Newton don't come out) he could go #1 overall. If he is unable to show the next level of pass rushing skills and a lot of big name juniors jump with him he could fall down into the middle of the first, maybe even later.
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I can't see a guy with 15 sacks/25 TFL and running 4.75 in the forty at 275-280 pounds slipping to the middle of the first round. Besides, technique is what they're supposed to be coaching for these guys, so whether he's got it yet or not, that doesn't seem like a big factor knocking him out of the top 10. Fact is...nobody knows if we're going to be a 4-3 or a 3-4...so we shouldn't be limiting our scope of inquiry to only the 3-4 guys. I want Peterson at #2, but if we trade down and he's there along with Fairley and Dareus he's going to merit some consideration. The biggest issue with switching back to the 3-4 IMO is that Elvis is a much better OLB than he is a 4-3 DE...and since he's our only proven pass rusher...but is that enough reason to stick with the 3-4 when we don't have a NT to make it go?
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I think Bowers is legit. I wouldn't have an issue drafting him but he's not my top guy. Sorry, i'm still sticking to BPA, especially since Lloyd is a FA.

1. Peterson - CB
2. AJ Green - WR
3. Bowers/Fairley - Push

I've seen Bowers stand up in a two point stance and run with some athletes in coverage. VERY impressive. You know the guy can rush the passer, and I disagree with those that say he doesn't have a very good first step. Look at some of those sacks on that video... he beat the OT out of his stance.

I agree with Req that he looks like a 4-3 guy but I think he could play in the 3-4 and i'm not opposed to drafting him for that opposite of Doom. As mentioned above, the guy can rush the passer, or he can stand up and cover. That's pretty awesome for a guy his size. He could be another Demarcus Ware. I think with Robert Ayers, he's had a limited impact for numerous reasons and while I still think he has upside at OLB, we could just as easily put on weight and play on the line. I think he would do very well there too. Two birds, one stone. It's all about getting the best 11 on the field.
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Id rather miss on a pass rusher than hit on a CB, that's how tired I am of getting pushed around up front. In 2009 we passed up the "bust-risky" pass rusher in Brian Orakpo for the "safer BPA" in Knowshon Moreno and have regretted it ever since. I don't want to make that mistake again.
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I think Lloyd is under contract for one more year.
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Bowers could be a beast. I'm hoping for him...but it depends on the new staff.
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3/5/2010: Signed a two-year, $2.05 million contract. The deal included a $500,000 signing bonus. Lloyd's second-year salary can increase to $1.4 million if he makes the 2010 Pro Bowl. 2010: $755,000, 2011: $795,000, 2012: Free Agent


1.4 Mill for B-Lloyd in 2011! Now we know why he busted his ass in 2010
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