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Old 12-30-2010, 03:47 PM   #1
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I've been doing some post mortem on our season, trying to understand what happened to this team. Honestly, I thought we might be going the right direction that Sunday in Week 6 when we played the Jets. We were 2-3 and we battled the Jets like we belonged in the post-season hunt. We fell to 2-4 in that loss, and EVERYTHING fell apart. What happened? Why were we so electric against the Jets, and why were we so utterly flat against the Raiders?

Then it hit me. That game against the Jets featured a brand new wrinkle that we hadn't seen at that point. We were using Tebow in the red zone (good for a touchdown) and on a handful of moderate runs. At the time I remember thinking that the offense just seemed to respond differently to Tebow. It seemed more energetic, but I shrugged it off figuring that I was getting Tebow fever and maybe seeing things that weren't there.

The next week against the Raiders, Tebow didn't see the field, and was kept quiet unitl that awesome game against KC when Tebow scored twice (one on a run, and another on a pass to Larsen). That, of course, was the last win of the McDaniel's Tenure.

To the point of the thread, I thought it would be interesting to go back and see what Josh had said about Tebow to see if we could find any clues about Tebow.

Here's the post Jets press conference: Josh is asked about Tebow at 4:49


Here's the post Chiefs press conference: Josh talks about Tebow at 2:00 very, very, very briefly
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Old 12-30-2010, 03:51 PM   #2
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What I remember most is the press asking him if he should be playing Tebow more and McDaniels describing that idea as "ridiculous".

McDaniels orphaned Tebow at our doorstep and now we're his proud parents.
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What I remember most is the press asking him if he should be playing Tebow more and McDaniels describing that idea as "ridiculous".
I forgot about that. That was like two weeks before he started including him in packages...
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What I remember most is the press asking him if he should be playing Tebow more and McDaniels describing that idea as "ridiculous".

McDaniels orphaned Tebow at our doorstep and now we're his proud parents.
That always bothered me.
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I forgot about that. That was like two weeks before he started including him in packages...
More specifically, it was after going 0/5 in the redzone against Indy.
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Well, at least we now know what to call it when Tebow runs on the goal line: Wild Blimp. lol
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Well, at least we now know what to call it when Tebow runs on the goal line: Wild Blimp. lol
Wild Jesus or Jumbo Jesus, please.
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More specifically, it was after going 0/5 in the redzone against Indy.
I remember you were the lone voice calling him on that. Looks like you were right about Hillis too. Way to go Doc.
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Wild Jesus or Jumbo Jesus, please.
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What I remember most is the press asking him if he should be playing Tebow more and McDaniels describing that idea as "ridiculous".

McDaniels orphaned Tebow at our doorstep and now we're his proud parents.
that stubborness was not a good personality trait. not in 2009 when asked about Hillis. not in 2010 when asked about Tebow. i still don't get it. why was he so resistant? all i can come up with is that he wasn't open to re-considering any decision once it was made. that's been the undoing of many NFL head coaches over the years.
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We used Tebow as a redzone specialist for the first time against the Jets. However, we didn't use him on the first redzone trip. That drive stalled at the 7 yard line on 3rd and 1. The field goal attempt was missed on a botched snap. That was a 10 point swing as the Jets scored a touchdown on the following drive.
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I think it was ridiculous to start Tebow based on a few QB sneaks in the redzone.

I'm confused by sentiment on this board. It seems clear to me that Tebow was Josh's binkie and he wanted him as the QB of the future. That he didn't play against the Raiders was no indication of abandonment.
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I forgot about that. That was like two weeks before he started including him in packages...
I will never forget (nor forget) mCd saying in a Presser that it was rediculous to run Tebow out of the shotgun on 3rd and 1 at the goaline.

He said that if that was our best option converting then there were a whole bunch of problems in the run game. There were but using Tebow worked.

Actually I thought putting Tebow in that Swap gas package in the middle of a drive was stupid, it always seemed to throw Orton off and just killed momentum but at the Goal in short yardage he is a great wepon.
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That PI call against the Jets was the turning point of the season though.

The question I have is when we played well, were we above are talent level? Specifically with the defence. Did they give up, or were they just not good?
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I'm confused by sentiment on this board.

I'm confused abotu Josh's sentiments on Tebow. He goes out of his way to downplay his value and effectiveness in the Chiefs press conference that I linked, and spends more time talking about the locker room reaction to him getting playing time than Tebow's actual performance.
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that stubborness was not a good personality trait. not in 2009 when asked about Hillis. not in 2010 when asked about Tebow. i still don't get it. why was he so resistant? all i can come up with is that he wasn't open to re-considering any decision once it was made. that's been the undoing of many NFL head coaches over the years.
Why? Because he was smarter than everyone else... in his mind...
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I'm confused abotu Josh's sentiments on Tebow. He goes out of his way to downplay his value and effectiveness in the Chiefs press conference that I linked, and spends more time talking about the locker room reaction to him getting playing time than Tebow's actual performance.
my guess... McD didn't get enough hugs growing up.
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I think it was ridiculous to start Tebow based on a few QB sneaks in the redzone.

I'm confused by sentiment on this board. It seems clear to me that Tebow was Josh's binkie and he wanted him as the QB of the future. That he didn't play against the Raiders was no indication of abandonment.
When he refused to play Tebow, even though it could have saved his job, he orphaned Tebow. When Josh was fired, Tebow as in limbo.

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It just seems that on some level Josh has a few screws loose somewhere. Perhaps is just a maturity issue, be the more I think about it, he just seems a few beers short of a six pack when it comes to any kind of social skills.
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What I remember most is the press asking him if he should be playing Tebow more and McDaniels describing that idea as "ridiculous".
Knowing where he learned, I think part of it was that he was probably trying not to tip his hand. The Patriot way values secrecy at all costs, even when pointless.
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It just seems that on some level Josh has a few screws loose somewhere. Perhaps is just a maturity issue, be the more I think about it, he just seems a few beers short of a six pack when it comes to any kind of social skills.
Taco's avatar is doing alot to make me doubt the McD's sanity. every time i see it, the thought goes through my head... "does he know he just got fired?"
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Knowing where he learned, I think part of it was that he was probably trying not to tip his hand. The Patriot way values secrecy at all costs, even when pointless.
Doubtful.

That dude won't shut the **** up in pressers to save his life.
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It just seems that on some level Josh has a few screws loose somewhere. Perhaps is just a maturity issue, be the more I think about it, he just seems a few beers short of a six pack when it comes to any kind of social skills.
He is still young, I don't think he was mature enough to be given all that power with the lack of experience he had. Had he been an assistant on a couple NFL teams and saw how more than Belly got it done and managed people then he might have had a shot.

I believe he will be much better at his next couple stops.
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that stubborness was not a good personality trait. not in 2009 when asked about Hillis. not in 2010 when asked about Tebow. i still don't get it. why was he so resistant? all i can come up with is that he wasn't open to re-considering any decision once it was made. that's been the undoing of many NFL head coaches over the years.
I've always felt he wasn't forthright in all his answers. Too vague at times, and left a lot of his answers up for interpretation.
Too secretative for me to figure him out. He never realized that he wasn't just holding back clear answers to the media; we the fans wanted to know more too...
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He is still young, I don't think he was mature enough to be given all that power with the lack of experience he had. Had he been an assistant on a couple NFL teams and saw how more than Belly got it done and managed people then he might have had a shot.

I believe he will be much better at his next couple stops.
Me too. I think he will end being one of the best coaches in the game. That is why I am so upset with Bowlen for not giving him the support any sane owner would give to a first time 31 year old coach. Who did he think he was hiring Bill Parcells?
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