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Old 12-27-2010, 01:00 PM   #1
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Default So Where Does Orton Get Traded to? .... and for what?

Not an Orton hater .... like the guy actually but I think the writing is on the wall.

I say Orton goes to Seattle or Minny for a 2nd. For his flaws he did throw for some good yardage with no running game so it has to count for something.


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Old 12-27-2010, 01:03 PM   #2
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He gets traded for the search function!

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Terrible value. It'd be like McDaniels never left!
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Normally, I'd say he should stay as a backup, but at $9M, he's too pricey. I would think the team would approach him to restructure first, then consider a trade (not sure what kind of market he'd actually have--maybe Oak, KC or SD?), then cut the guy.

Dude's been a good soldier but there's no place for him here at that salary.
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Old 12-27-2010, 01:13 PM   #5
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I don't see anyone giving up more than a 4th for Orton. If we were to get a 2nd...I'd be shocked and estatic!

The pros for Orton are that he's heading into his prime (6th season in 2011), he's a team guy, and he can managed an offense. Additionally, he can make all the throws and he won't make alot of mistakes. Upside could be that of Ken Anderson.

The cons for Orton are that he's not a Superstar and he won't elevate the team or win games on his own.

That being said, a team like Minnesota or Arizona would be back in the playoff hunt with Orton at the helm. Other teams to consider could be Carolina...while they groom Luck, Tennessee to take Collins place and back up VY or Buffalo as insurance for Fitzpatrick.

The problem I see, is that only Minn and Az would want him potentially to start. Any other team would not spend a high draft pick on a backup QB. And, you have to figure...teams will be betting that we cut Orton. Why? Because we're not going to pay him $8m to ride the pine next year. So, why trade for him...when Denver will cut him come March.
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Normally, I'd say he should stay as a backup, but at $9M, he's too pricey. I would think the team would approach him to restructure first, then consider a trade (not sure what kind of market he'd actually have--maybe Oak, KC or SD?), then cut the guy.

Dude's been a good soldier but there's no place for him here at that salary.
There is no way he stays on as Tebow's backup.

His contract is non-guaranteed so I think its very possible he'll just be cut. Up until a few weeks ago I figured you'd probably be able to squeeze a mid-round pick (late 3rd to late 4th) out of someone for him. But with how disastrous his last couple games were it won't be so easy.

That said, Sage Rosenfels was actually traded for draft compensation not so long ago in this league so there is definitely hope. If we wind up picking 2nd and both Luck and Newton jump out we might be able to be the first call QB needy teams make. Shouldn't be impossible to find someone willing to take Orton as a mid-round consolation prize if they lose out on buying the #2 spot from us.

From a system standpoint I think Arizona would be a great fit for him.
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Old 12-27-2010, 01:15 PM   #7
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There is no way he stays on as Tebow's backup.

His contract is non-guaranteed so I think its very possible he'll just be cut. Up until a few weeks ago I figured you'd probably be able to squeeze a mid-round pick (late 3rd to late 4th) out of someone for him. But with how disastrous his last couple games were it won't be so easy.

That said, Sage Rosenfels was actually traded for draft compensation not so long ago in this league so there is definitely hope. If we wind up picking 2nd and both Luck and Newton jump out we might be able to be the first call QB needy teams make. Shouldn't be impossible to find someone willing to take Orton as a mid-round consolation prize if they lose out on buying the #2 spot from us.
I had the impression that about 5M of it was guaranteed. Good point about Sage. Anything greater than a 4th would be a steal, IMO.
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sage was traded to be solid depth and compete at starter, and was traded for a 4th. orton will be traded to BE a starter in this league. atleast a 3rd for him.
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I think everyone on this board is hugely undervaluing proven QB's in the NFL. Orton is far better than people around here want to give him credit for. I think we're going to be pleasantly surprised by the demand. He's a relatively young, efficient, and dependable Quarterback. I expect similar value to what New England got for Matt Cassel (a 2nd rounder I believe).
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I afraid we might have to trade him for another teams turd that hasn't work out and try to polish it...... deja vu all over again
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My guess would be Minnesota or maybe Arizona, hopefully for a 3rd or (God willing) a 2nd.
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Old 12-27-2010, 01:30 PM   #12
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You trade Orton for say a 4th round pick in 2011.. an maybe a conditional 5th round pick in 2012. So if he gets traded to the Cards and Orton takes them to the playoffs..the 5th round pick becomes a 2nd or 3rd round pick in 2012.
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I don't see anyone giving up more than a 4th for Orton. If we were to get a 2nd...I'd be shocked and estatic!

The pros for Orton are that he's heading into his prime (6th season in 2011), he's a team guy, and he can managed an offense. Additionally, he can make all the throws and he won't make alot of mistakes. Upside could be that of Ken Anderson.

The cons for Orton are that he's not a Superstar and he won't elevate the team or win games on his own.

That being said, a team like Minnesota or Arizona would be back in the playoff hunt with Orton at the helm. Other teams to consider could be Carolina...while they groom Luck, Tennessee to take Collins place and back up VY or Buffalo as insurance for Fitzpatrick.

The problem I see, is that only Minn and Az would want him potentially to start. Any other team would not spend a high draft pick on a backup QB. And, you have to figure...teams will be betting that we cut Orton. Why? Because we're not going to pay him $8m to ride the pine next year. So, why trade for him...when Denver will cut him come March.
Whitehurst was traded for a 3rd and he's a scrub. I know Orton is no world beater, but he would walk into camp as a solid starter for a number of teams next year. I would be shocked if we did not get at least a 3rd - preferably a 2nd.
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If he's traded, maybe a 5th or at best, a 4th.
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You trade Orton for say a 4th round pick in 2011.. an maybe a conditional 5th round pick in 2012. So if he gets traded to the Cards and Orton takes them to the playoffs..the 5th round pick becomes a 2nd or 3rd round pick in 2012.
If Orton gets traded to the Cards and takes them to the playoffs, The Mane will make what Jim Jones did in Guyana look like small potatoes
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Why not make him the backup? He won't get **** on the open market.
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I think everyone on this board is hugely undervaluing proven QB's in the NFL. Orton is far better than people around here want to give him credit for. I think we're going to be pleasantly surprised by the demand. He's a relatively young, efficient, and dependable Quarterback. I expect similar value to what New England got for Matt Cassel (a 2nd rounder I believe).
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Why not make him the backup? He won't get **** on the open market.
Unlike that beast of a QB Charlie Whitehurst...
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Why not make him the backup? He won't get **** on the open market.
We could...but it's doubtful we'd pay him $9 million to carry a clipboard. If we ask him to restructure, he probably would not cooperate so he could force a trade or release that would allow him to go somewhere he'd have a chance to start. It seems a lot of folks are missing Minnesota as a possible destination. He's a decided upgrade over Jackson. Even if they draft a QBOTF they will want a veteran bridge, like Orton, since they have a veteran roster capable of winning right away.
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its still baffling to me that orton doesnt get the respect hes earned. hes not a top 5 QB, but to act like hes not in the top 32 QBs of the NFL is nuts. he will start somewhere next year, barring injury. "
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Whitehurst was traded for a 3rd and he's a scrub. I know Orton is no world beater, but he would walk into camp as a solid starter for a number of teams next year. I would be shocked if we did not get at least a 3rd - preferably a 2nd.
This. Denver should be looking for a 2nd for Orton.
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I bet Miami will give him a long look
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Miami, Minnesota, Carolina, Arizona and possibly a few others are all places.
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Miami, Minnesota, Carolina, Arizona and possibly a few others are all places.
I could see Minnesota really easily. They've got a well built team that needs a QB that won't **** up.
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