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Old 12-27-2010, 09:18 AM   #1
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It is all just so painfully obvious now.

Orton can not, and will never be the leader that Tim Tebow is.
Tebow fires up his teammates and MAKES them play harder.

Orton stands on the sidelines and blows bubbles with his gum. (not sure if any of you saw that clip on the sidelines)

Tebow comes off the field after scoring a touchdown to put us in the lead in the 4th quarter and the entire defense is in his face getting pumped up.

Orton can't win in the 4th under pressure to save his life.

There's a reason Orton's on the bench even after a career year throwing the ball. Its called leadership and performance under pressure. He lacks both and will forever be just an average guy, not a winner.


Now, the next question is: Do you want to see the Broncos come out and WIN vs our hated division rivals and that schmuck Phillip Rivers, or do you want to see the team piss away the last game of the year for "better draft position" like all the idiots on the radio?

I know what I want to see.
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:20 AM   #2
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:22 AM   #3
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Tebow needs to start against Sandy Eggo. This is gonna be a great game to watch because both teams are gonna be playing hard. Orton needs to sit on the bench and collect is paycheck...
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:22 AM   #4
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Definitely want the team to come out and win big. We'll still be high in the draft and my feeling is we won't actually pick in that slot anyway. We are trading down.
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Now, the next question is: Do you want to see the Broncos come out and WIN vs our hated division rivals and that schmuck Phillip Rivers, or do you want to see the team piss away the last game of the year for "better draft position" like all the idiots on the radio?

I know what I want to see.
I want to see Tebow blow up some LB'ers on the way to a 300yd 4td game, and have us lose it because our Defense can't stop anyone.

It would eliminate whatever insane shred of talk is left about drafting Luck, give us prime real estate in the draft to manuever, and hammer home the point to the new incoming coaching staff that we need to target defensive playmakers early and often in the 2011 draft.
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:28 AM   #6
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I want to see Tebow blow up some LB'ers on the way to a 300yd 4td game, and have us lose it because our Defense can't stop anyone.

It would eliminate whatever insane shred of talk is left about drafting Luck, give us prime real estate in the draft to manuever, and hammer home the point to the new incoming coaching staff that we need to target defensive playmakers early and often in the 2011 draft.
How about we win 63-60 on a last second Tebow TD? Hey the defense can't stop them and yet we still win. I like that better....
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:30 AM   #7
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:50 AM   #8
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Dawkins on Tebow:
"He's just going to do everything that he can in his power to keep plays alive if he can, and then to battle until the end," Dawkins said. "That's one of those traits that we've all heard about and we were able to see it first hand."

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You see that guy out there making plays and doing what he can do on every single play," Jabar Gaffney said, "and you got to go out there and try to do the same."

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"I do not know necessarily what I showed, except I am someone that is going to play until the end and I love this game and I am going to play it with all my heart," Tebow said. "Any time I get the opportunity, I am going to play every second that I get, as hard as I possibly can."

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Old 12-27-2010, 09:53 AM   #9
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I'd rather win and keep a good thing going.
What good thing? If we win we'll be 5-11 and we have a few extra hours of happiness on Sunday afternoon.

I am more interested in getting the extra few spots that will give us serious ammo to move around the draft and basically fill all the holes in this team. If we go from #2 to #8 because we wanted a meaningless win, that could effect this team for years.

I know all the players and coaches want the win, because all of them are fighting for jobs and they know pretty much the only people guaranteed their jobs next year are Clady and Dumerville. The entire coaching staff and defensive/offensive schemes could be blown up, and who knows what will happen?

But as a fan, we have the luxury of having a macro view of everything. We will still be a fan in 10 years no matter what, so we can take the long term view. As fans, we want a championship team, and we are one of the very few franchises blessed to not pick in the top 5 in forever. If they screw that up with a win, well I just think that would be a wasted opportunity.
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:55 AM   #10
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Orton is Griese 2.0 (pre-shoulder injury Griese, not the later shell of him that everybody came to hate). Offensive linemen don't go out of their way to throw down with defenders with these kinds of quiet, efficient guys.

I think Kubiak was also one of these types of guys. Smart. Efficient. Can go through a progression, and even teach it. These kinds of guys can have a role on your team. I used to get my chops busted for making this argument for Griese, but I think that Orton could play a valuable role on this team. To me, the guy is a champion at heart, with the right personality and he's exactly the kind of guy I want in my locker room playing a behind the scenes leadership/mentorship role. And if he needs to go on the field, he does so at a very high level, knowing the offense and with a team that he's done battle with.

I hope that Kyle will get sat down by Elway/Kubiak some day and talk about what it means to the team to have that kind of a presence on a football team, and what it means personally towards Kyle's own future. Kubiak has enjoyed a long career in the NFL, and if that's what Kyle wants, Denver is the best place that he can get it.

(I can't wait to read this post in altered format in the Denver Post - heh, maybe we should come up with a policy of our own! )
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I noticed that too.
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I want to see Tebow win games against elite teams before I think he is the answer. I do like what he brings table intangible wise and work ethic. Yes he is an upgrade over Orton.
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:59 AM   #14
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Orton and Tebow have completely different skill sets, strengths and weaknesses and therefore look like night and day?

Who'da thunk it

I'm glad I saw this thread today, lest I wander around thinking Tebow and Orton are carbon copies of each other.
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Old 12-27-2010, 10:00 AM   #15
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I want to see Tebow win games against elite teams before I think he is the answer. I do like what he brings table intangible wise and work ethic. Yes he is an upgrade over Orton.
Wow. Unfortunately Tebow doesnt play defense so this is hardly fair.
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Taco John;3059373]Orton is Griese 2.0 (pre-shoulder injury Griese, not the later shell of him that everybody came to hate). Offensive linemen don't go out of their way to throw down with defenders with these kinds of quiet, efficient guys.[/B]

I think Kubiak was also one of these types of guys. Smart. Efficient. Can go through a progression, and even teach it. These kinds of guys can have a role on your team. I used to get my chops busted for making this argument for Griese, but I think that Orton could play a valuable role on this team. To me, the guy is a champion at heart, with the right personality and he's exactly the kind of guy I want in my locker room playing a behind the scenes leadership/mentorship role. And if he needs to go on the field, he does so at a very high level, knowing the offense and with a team that he's done battle with.

I hope that Kyle will get sat down by Elway/Kubiak some day and talk about what it means to the team to have that kind of a presence on a football team, and what it means personally towards Kyle's own future. Kubiak has enjoyed a long career in the NFL, and if that's what Kyle wants, Denver is the best place that he can get it.

(I can't wait to read this post in altered format in the Denver Post - heh, maybe we should come up with a policy of our own! )
I don't know about that. What I do know is Tebow has a history of motivating his teammates. What I would have said is the few "special ones" have a way of elevating their teams with pure determination and will. It;s not like they intentionally don't play as hard. It's the Ray Lewis factor. I think he's not on that team and none of those guys play half as well.
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Orton is Griese 2.0 (pre-shoulder injury Griese, not the later shell of him that everybody came to hate). Offensive linemen don't go out of their way to throw down with defenders with these kinds of quiet, efficient guys.

I think Kubiak was also one of these types of guys. Smart. Efficient. Can go through a progression, and even teach it. These kinds of guys can have a role on your team. I used to get my chops busted for making this argument for Griese, but I think that Orton could play a valuable role on this team. To me, the guy is a champion at heart, with the right personality and he's exactly the kind of guy I want in my locker room playing a behind the scenes leadership/mentorship role. And if he needs to go on the field, he does so at a very high level, knowing the offense and with a team that he's done battle with.

I hope that Kyle will get sat down by Elway/Kubiak some day and talk about what it means to the team to have that kind of a presence on a football team, and what it means personally towards Kyle's own future. Kubiak has enjoyed a long career in the NFL, and if that's what Kyle wants, Denver is the best place that he can get it.

(I can't wait to read this post in altered format in the Denver Post - heh, maybe we should come up with a policy of our own! )
I completely agree with you, and I would love that! Tebow's style of running through and over 250lb linebackers is going to take a toll on him, especially in an 18 game season + playoffs. We need a highly skilled backup QB who can take the role of mentor seriously, but who can come in and play at a high enough level to win when Tebow inevitably gets injured. In fact, I think backup QB's are going to end up being higher paid as an unintended side-effect from going to an 18 game + playoff schedule.

I think it all depends on the NFL market for a good, experienced, undazzling QB. We will see this offseason I guess.
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Wow. Unfortunately Tebow doesnt play defense so this is hardly fair.
I think it's perfectly fair to question. I but for my part, I just think it's silly. Are these people who are doubting how Tebow will perform against the Indy's and San Diego's of the world thinking that he's going to be any less on fire to win the game? Do they think he's going to wilt under the pressure or something?

The way I see it, you just let them have their doubts because those doubts wont last long. This guy is the kind of quarterback that even after a loss you don't doubt him because he was out there fighting for every inch all game long. And when you mix that ingredient with his natural physical abilities, you've got the mixture of something special.

Let the doubters doubt. Tim Tebow is an irresistable force right now. Pandora is out of the box. This is back to the future starring Tim Tebow as Peyton Hillis. The coach that comes in and trades him away will end up run out of town in two years (and make things miserable for fan-based message board admins all over the world), and the Broncos will have a PR nightmare on their hands.

We've passed the point of no return. Like it or not, the Tebow era has begun.

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I loved Tebow's performance and I'm cautiously optimistic about him. There's just so much about the kid to like. He's just got to refine some things.

I think the "Orton can't win" thing is a bit overdone, though. He made crucial plays during our winning streak last season, and several of the comeback attempts this year were diffused by things outside of his control. He may not have the Tebow magic... but I think the knock against the competitive side of his game is overdone. Time will tell.

All that said, I couldn't be much happier about Tebow, at this point. Hoping we can bring in a real QB guru to work with him going forward.
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Now, the next question is: Do you want to see the Broncos come out and WIN vs our hated division rivals and that schmuck Phillip Rivers, or do you want to see the team piss away the last game of the year for "better draft position" like all the idiots on the radio?

I know what I want to see.
[sarcasm]Sure I've got no problem giving away an elite talent and the best defender in the draft for the next 150 or so games if it means I can yank my crank over winning a meaningless game nobody will care about 24 hours later, why not? That makes perfect sense.[/sarcasm]
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I don't know about that. What I do know is Tebow has a history of motivating his teammates. What I would have said is the few "special ones" have a way of elevating their teams with pure determination and will. It;s not like they intentionally don't play as hard. It's the Ray Lewis factor. I think he's not on that team and none of those guys play half as well.
I like to call it the Elway factor. Remember 1999?
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I loved Tebow's performance and I'm cautiously optimistic about him. There's just so much about the kid to like. He's just got to refine some things.

I think the "Orton can't win" thing is a bit overdone, though. He made crucial plays during our winning streak last season, and several of the comeback attempts this year were diffused by things outside of his control. He may not have the Tebow magic... but I think the knock against the competitive side of his game is overdone. Time will tell.

All that said, I couldn't be much happier about Tebow, at this point. Hoping we can bring in a real QB guru to work with him going forward.


Dude I love Orton's heart and he seems like a really good guy , but in the clutch moments he is so bad... Last year in our opening 6 wins I don't think we was ever losing so not sure how many crucial plays he made then.

He is just so bad in MUST HAVE moments and if the play breaks down FORGET about it.

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There is no reason for Orton to start against SD. Tebow is now the man, and we need to start looking for a trade......
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I like to call it the Elway factor. Remember 1999?
Of course but I was trying to stay current. I knew someone from the peanut gallery was going to make that comment.
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This is back to the future starring Tim Tebow as Peyton Hillis.
One could only imagine what our backfield would be like with Tebow in the pistol and Peyton riding shotgun. As Doc Brown would say...

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