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Old 12-27-2010, 02:31 AM   #1
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Old 12-27-2010, 02:37 AM   #2
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Old 12-27-2010, 02:45 AM   #3
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Very happy to hear that Elway will help to pick the new coach.
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Old 12-27-2010, 02:58 AM   #4
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First blunder of next year - Xanders as GM. Here we go...
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Old 12-27-2010, 03:07 AM   #5
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Very happy to hear that Elway will help to pick the new coach.
I think that'll be a good thing.

Elway knows what its like to be a young guy out there trying to win games while getting held back by an over-cautious head coach. Hopefully he'll have some wisdom to share.

And is there a better guy to bring along Tebow? Elway was a great QB/athlete.
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Old 12-27-2010, 04:05 AM   #6
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Old 12-27-2010, 05:29 AM   #7
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If this is true, and I don't know that it is, it will mean Bowlen has learned nothing. He'll slip back into letting the coach do what he wants while a bunch of "GM-Type" executives stand around trying to figure out who's more in charge. The same problem that plagued Shanny and McD will manifest on the new coach: too much on their plates.
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Bowlen - It seems you didn't learn the leason.
Why are you not hiring experienced GM?
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Old 12-27-2010, 05:38 AM   #9
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There are many teams that are benefiting hiring experienced GM first.
Bowlen is stuck in 90's.Hopefully, Elway doesn't hire Kubiak as HC.
That will suck.
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Old 12-27-2010, 06:03 AM   #10
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xanders shoudl get a shot at being a real GM, they said previously that hes impressed people with his scouting ability. give the man a shot, atleast he knows the roster we have top to bottom. i too would like to hire abig name and have them fix everything, but it doesnt always work that way.
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Old 12-27-2010, 06:11 AM   #11
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xanders shoudl get a shot at being a real GM, they said previously that hes impressed people with his scouting ability. give the man a shot, atleast he knows the roster we have top to bottom. i too would like to hire abig name and have them fix everything, but it doesnt always work that way.
We can't afford to experiment with a completely unproven guy like Xanders. It's not about what he "deserves." If it doesn't work, it will be ten years before this franchise is relevant again. You bring in a guy with a PROVEN personnel background. If this is true, I will hope for the best (as always), but to me it's too big of a risk considering where the franchise is at right now.
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Old 12-27-2010, 06:26 AM   #12
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First blunder of next year - Xanders as GM. Here we go...
Read the article, it said he will remain GM by title because Elway will hold some personal power
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Old 12-27-2010, 06:28 AM   #13
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Read the article, it said he will remain GM by title because Elway will hold some personal power
I hope this is wrong. Elway himself said only a couple of weeks ago that he didn't want personnel power because he didn't have any experience with it. If true, this would be a disaster.
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Xanders needs to be gone or as far away as possible from any decision making regarding players.
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We can't afford to experiment with a completely unproven guy like Xanders. It's not about what he "deserves." If it doesn't work, it will be ten years before this franchise is relevant again. You bring in a guy with a PROVEN personnel background. If this is true, I will hope for the best (as always), but to me it's too big of a risk considering where the franchise is at right now.
It's distressing, to say the least. The key word here in giving Xanders the GM job is definitely 'unproven'. He's definitely unproven in his scouting ability, in evalutating talent, and even being able to draft a fair contract. Nobody here really knows if he can do that or not, so maybe it will work out great. Maybe.

But the uncertainty that is most distressing to me is that he's never been part of a successful organization. The Falcons were a dumpster fire when he was he was there, and the Broncos haven't been much better than that since he's been here.

I felt like the only silver lining of this disaster of a season was going to be that we would get a proven head of fooball ops that had experience with winning in the modern NFL. A guy who had observed the structure and processes necessary to win and make the playoffs. If Woody is right, we won't be getting that. Again.

And it makes me want to puke.
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I don't like Xanders. I don't like his 2 faced nature. He is my last choice for gm. However, if the ****er has final authority over the draft, and when using that authority he actually listens to and uses the advice of our scouting department, then it might not be the complete disaster that people here think is inevitable.
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Read the article, it said he will remain GM by title because Elway will hold some personal power
I read the article. It says Xanders and Elway will share personnel power. Xanders has no experience in this area (unless you believe he shared that power with McD which he is now denying) and Elway has, himself, said that he is not qualified to do that and does not wish to do so. Thus, Xanders becomes the man. Unless you believe the other thread with the list of GM candidates which I hope is more accurate than Woody.
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Xanders needs to be gone or as far away as possible from any decision making regarding players.
he has been far away from decision making, hes now getting a chance to do it with mcd gone. just saying. people here who dont want him dont want him because its uncertain, its not a sure thing, but guess what "director of pro player personnel" are in similar boats, they are advisors to the GM, like decosta from baltimore. newsome makes the choices.
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Old 12-27-2010, 06:53 AM   #19
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I read the article. It says Xanders and Elway will share personnel power. Xanders has no experience in this area (unless you believe he shared that power with McD which he is now denying) and Elway has, himself, said that he is not qualified to do that and does not wish to do so. Thus, Xanders becomes the man. Unless you believe the other thread with the list of GM candidates which I hope is more accurate than Woody.
When you put it that way my previous statement is completely wrong.

All this excitement has caused me to post but might go back to lurking
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Old 12-27-2010, 06:54 AM   #20
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Paige usually just throws stuff up on the wall to see what sticks, but this is a big mistake if true.

I want someone that has ALREADY proven they know how to build a team.

Not an assistant, but THE guy.

I don't mind Elway in an advisory role, but even he needs to earn his keep to become more involved in decision making.
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Paige usually just throws stuff up on the wall to see what sticks, but this is a big mistake if true.

I want someone that has ALREADY proven they know how to build a team.

Not an assistant, but THE guy.

I don't mind Elway in an advisory role, but even he needs to earn his keep to become more involved in decision making.
then casserly is it, most of the other guys do not have prior GM experience.
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Old 12-27-2010, 06:58 AM   #22
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he has been far away from decision making, hes now getting a chance to do it with mcd gone. just saying. people here who dont want him dont want him because its uncertain, its not a sure thing, but guess what "director of pro player personnel" are in similar boats, they are advisors to the GM, like decosta from baltimore. newsome makes the choices.
Correct, it's uncertain whoever they bring in. But when you say that he "deserves" to be calling the shots, are you saying that you believe he is the most qualified of all of the realistic candidates that have been mentioned? And how can you, or more importantly whoever is making the decisions at Dove Valley, make that determination without even talking to anyone else? Without talking to anyone else who might have some fresh ideas as a result of experience in a successful organization?

To me, it's either that they don't want to spend any more money bringing in anyone else, or they're too stupid to realize they should explore all options. Either way, it's bad.

I hope to god Woody is talking out of his ass and this article is incorrect.
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Old 12-27-2010, 07:07 AM   #23
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unlike the rest of you, I don't know how good Xanders can be b/c McD called all the shots.....so I'll just see what happens
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I hope this is wrong. Elway himself said only a couple of weeks ago that he didn't want personnel power because he didn't have any experience with it. If true, this would be a disaster.
Isn't that more an indication that Woody doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, not that the Broncos have pulled a 180 only weeks after the initial statement?

Kinda like how the front office guy who now feels the need to basically treat his remaining days this season like a 24 hour local media junket is supposedly locked into the job when reports of guys like DeCosta being eyed are surfacing from national press outlets.

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xanders shoudl get a shot at being a real GM, they said previously that hes impressed people with his scouting ability. give the man a shot, atleast he knows the roster we have top to bottom. i too would like to hire abig name and have them fix everything, but it doesnt always work that way.
Almost all of Xanders' NFL experience comes in a cap management/contract negotiation role, with limited experience as a scout. If anything the scouting people we have who've gotten the most props for their work here are Kieth Kidd and Matt Russell. I wouldn't be surprised if they're retained when the regime change occurs.

This is the chance to bring a real first class personnel guy to manage the next decade or more of Broncos football, teaming him with a coach who can shape the current personnel into a competitive football team again. We really should NOT be thinking about settling for an unproven quantity like Xanders for this job. It reeks of xenophobia and poor valuation of what you're truly offering. There are only 32 GM positions and a good chunk of them are locked up for the foreseeable future. We can get one of the elite personnel directors in the league to make the next step here, not just an in house capologist who would love to cut his teeth on the Broncos dime.

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Old 12-27-2010, 07:14 AM   #25
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Well I would like to have the guys that did the last draft in charge of the Broncos I say go for it.
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