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Old 12-25-2010, 05:35 PM   #1
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According to Yahoo & the NFP, citing RavensInsider, the Broncos will be inclined to trade Orton this off-season and keep Tim Tebow. Question is, what kind of market will their be for Orton and what value can we get in return for him?

If you're the Broncos GM, what is the least you would consider for his services?
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Old 12-25-2010, 05:52 PM   #2
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A decent QB should be worth 2-3 players (picks and veterns) stright up. For Orton I'd take a 2nd, 5th and a back-up LB vet with 6-7 years on him.
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Old 12-25-2010, 06:07 PM   #3
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I'm not a hater by any means and there have been instances where I've been pleasantly surprised by Orton but I honestly think it's not going to be high.

Let's see you're a GM for another team and you've got a franchise desperate for a franchise QB but is apparently so willing to unload a 28 year old QB coming off a statistically nice year. Why wasn't he the answer there?

Kitna went over 4,000 yards a couple of times, I don't really see many fans out there clamoring that he never got a shot to be a franchise QB. There definitely was a difference in play calling when Carson Palmer stepped in (to be fair Palmer has been trash for a couple of years now... but not when Kitna was there), the guy just wasn't a franchise QB. Smart guy, works hard but never really seemed to make the other team go "Uh oh, he's on their side."

The debate to how valuable Orton is can probably go on forever, but honestly unless a bunch of teams decide to start overbidding, I don't see us getting much more then a 3rd.
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I'm hoping for a 2. But chances are it'll be a 3, or maybe even 4.
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Old 12-25-2010, 06:19 PM   #5
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If Champ demands a trade after being tagged.
Would be sweet if we could get a 1 or 2 for Champ and a 2 for Orton.
Draft Peterson with our first then have a 1 and three 2's (or four 2's) for the front seven.
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A 2nd round pick, or a combination of pick and starter level front 7 player
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Old 12-25-2010, 06:39 PM   #10
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Orton has been one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL, this season. I think a quarterback-starved team would cough up a 2nd. If they are going to use Orton as a backup, it should be a 3rd or 4th...
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I don't think anyone will give up anything good maybe a 6 or 7 with an conditional pick
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Charlie Whitehurst people.

3rd round pick.

Charlie ****ing Whitehurst.

Orton is worth more than that in a league where many teams have horrible QB situations..
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Old 12-25-2010, 07:34 PM   #14
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Charlie Whitehurst people.

3rd round pick.

Charlie ****ing Whitehurst.

Orton is worth more than that in a league where many teams have horrible QB situations..
But everyone said that was overpaying, and now that trade stands as a lesson for everybody.
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I don't think anyone will give up anything good maybe a 6 or 7 with an conditional pick
If that is all that is on the table you keep Orton as insurance policy. A lot of teams could use a veteran QB, there will be a market for him
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Low 2nd is the best case for Orton, more than likely we get a 3rd. A team like the Vikings would be a good fit. Orton is a great P/A passer and having AD to fake to would be good. Plus he wouldn't have to carry that team.
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At this point, replacing him with a rookie after 3 wins and two bad games, and yes another injury. Add in the 9 million salary, who is going to give up anything of substance? They might just have to cut him or keep him.
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I could see a team like Minnesota giving up a third round choice perhaps for his services. I'm friends with a lot of Vikings fans who actually think that is a tremendous deal for them if it were to happen.

Orton's been in the division and in a sense, knows what to expect from the rivals there. I don't think we will be that lucky, but I'm hoping. This will be a good QB class if the juniors who are expected to declare do, so perhaps his value won't be that high. However, I would like to believe that Minnesota would be interested in a veteran presence at QB, rather than going the rookie route. That is a good team with a solid roster.

I'd like to see him moved.
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My guess would be a low 3rd round or a 4th round pick....or a maybe multiple/future picks.
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If the Broncos make the decision to go with Tebow, they need to do a full commitment to him. This means no keeping a veteran around to hang over his head.

That being said, I think that it's not insane to think we could get a first or two second round picks for him. There is a desperate need at Quarterback this year.
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If the Broncos make the decision to go with Tebow, they need to do a full commitment to him. This means no keeping a veteran around to hang over his head.

That being said, I think that it's not insane to think we could get a first or two second round picks for him. There is a desperate need at Quarterback this year.

Oh boy... a first or two seconds You must have hit the eggnog early and kept'em coming all day long!!!

Some of it depends on who all is available in the draft, as in who all declares. If you have Luck, Newton, Locker, Mallett, and then you have 2nd/3rd round QBs in Ponder and Foles. I seriously doubt anybody would give up one 2nd round pick, let alone two or a single first!

As for Whitehurst, a couple things to consider. One, it was Pete Carroll with little time in office. That trade was very similar to what happened with the Broncos when McD first came in. Knee jerk reactions. Second, Whitehurst had one thing that Orton doesn't have, high potential. B/c nobody had really seen him play a lot, he could be viewed (or sold) as the next "so-and-so" of the NFL. He was stuck behind Rivers and there have been plenty of good QBs to succeed in the NFL after being second fiddle somewhere else... I think they were hoping for another Schaub type of player/deal.

Kyle Orton would be a good fit for a team like Arizona or Minny. I personally wouldn't build a team around Kyle Orton, but if I could get him for a 3rd or 4th round pick... and draft a early QB to groom, I'd do it. The Vikings could get Mallett/Locker in the first and then KO in the 4th. That would be a pretty good situation for them.
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Old 12-25-2010, 09:18 PM   #24
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Orton is worth a third. The only team that I think would be interested outright would be Minnesota. You might be able to talk Arizona or San Fran into it, but neither of those teams is good enough to be trading picks for vets, so I dunno. Miami might be realistic too, I guess.

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Pretty sure Foles recently said he was staying in school.

I'd be happy with a mid-round pick, anything else is gravy. There's a lot of QBs out there every year, but at the same time, how many franchises want to wait? Specifically San Fran and Minnesota, who have the skill position talent and good defenses.
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