Stem Cell Transplant Cures HIV In 'Berlin Patient'

[Swedish Extrovert]

This is double-bad. Bad because they used stem cells when god didn't want them to, and also bad because now god is going to have to think of another disease to punish gays.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_796521.html

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by HombreGuapo

This is double-bad. Bad because they used stem cells when god didn't want them to, and also bad because now god is going to have to think of another disease to punish gays.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_796521.html

That's a weak take young man. I always said you were an ignorant little kid and now you've taken that ignorance to adult hood. We can create stem cells now without involving fetus' and so forth. HIV was inpart spread by the homosexual community(specifically in San Francisco, and that is where the stigma comes from.

[peacepipe]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

That's a weak take young man. I always said you were an ignorant little kid and now you've taken that ignorance to adult hood. We can create stem cells now without involving fetus' and so forth. HIV was inpart spread by the homosexual community(specifically in San Francisco, and that is where the stigma comes from.

HIV was inpart spread by heterosexuals so the stigma holds no water.

[cutthemdown]

Well HIV is still way more prevalent in the gay community. Probably BI people to blame for spreading it to heteros. The good news is, if this is true, is that they are making progress.

Still like garcia said we can get stem cells without harvesting dead babies.

[Doggcow]

This is really good news.

[Doggcow]

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by HombreGuapo

This is double-bad. Bad because they used stem cells when god didn't want them to, and also bad because now god is going to have to think of another disease to punish gays.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_796521.html

Its always cool when young people emphatically reveal their shallow, trollish takes on things that are over their heads.

Kind of like the post above.

[Swedish Extrovert]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

That's a weak take young man. I always said you were an ignorant little kid and now you've taken that ignorance to adult hood. We can create stem cells now without involving fetus' and so forth. HIV was inpart spread by the homosexual community(specifically in San Francisco, and that is where the stigma comes from.

I know about the embryonic take, douchebag. The text wasn't supposed to be taken seriously. I'm indifferent... other than the fact that this happened, which is outstanding.

[chadta]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Still like garcia said we can get stem cells without harvesting dead babies.

unless they are killing babies to harvest stem cells whats the big deal ? how is this not any worse than organ donating ?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by chadta

unless they are killing babies to harvest stem cells whats the big deal ? how is this not any worse than organ donating ?

Well, theres the whole issue of the fact that they cannot choose whether or not they want to donate their lives to the stem cell industry.

[That One Guy]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Well HIV is still way more prevalent in the gay community. Probably BI people to blame for spreading it to heteros. The good news is, if this is true, is that they are making progress.

Still like garcia said we can get stem cells without harvesting dead babies.

I've always heard it is very difficult for a male to contract the disease during sex with a female. Much more likely for those who will be on the receiving end of the semen (high levels in gays and black females) and that most straight males that have it get it from drug use.

Not a doctor, just what I've always heard.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Well, when your putting things into places where they are not designed to go, there is naturally more tissue damage.

I would imagine that its not just AIDS that is a health risk. STD's in general are easier transmitted with blood-on-blood contact. Not to mention infections and permanent tissue damage.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by That One Guy

I've always heard it is very difficult for a male to contract the disease during sex with a female. Much more likely for those who will be on the receiving end of the semen (high levels in gays and black females) and that most straight males that have it get it from drug use.

Not a doctor, just what I've always heard.

You are right sharing needles is probably more to blame.

Even thinking about how dead babies could have some sort of medical value is sort of sick to me. Gotta be a better way to do it then having some little babies life have to be selfish mom murders you, then they harvest out your stem cells so some adult can live longer. Man talk about a crappy hand in the game of life.

[sirhcyennek81]

The patient zero for HIV was apparently a french sociologist who went to africa and ate undercooked monkey meat. The virus made the jump and infected him...and when he went home, he did the naughty with some chick...and then another chick...and so on, and so on...

Didnt the dude who got "cured" from HIV receive adult stemcells from a donor with a mutation that was naturally immune from HIV?

[Play2win]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

The patient zero for HIV was apparently a french sociologist who went to africa and ate undercooked monkey meat. The virus made the jump and infected him...and when he went home, he did the naughty with some chick...and then another chick...and so on, and so on...

Is that what the kids are calling it these days...

j/k

If this would lead to something real, every man, woman and child on this planet should celebrate and thank their respective maker.

[chadta]

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

Well, theres the whole issue of the fact that they cannot choose whether or not they want to donate their lives to the stem cell industry.

Really ?

We make choices for our kids all the time, i guess i dont see the big deal, i have no problem with this being an opt out or an opt in type thing, if you wanna do it do it, if you dont then dont.

i suppose you believe that life begins at conception too ?

which is fine, but this is where i have to agree with some of the pinkos in here who say that radical christianity is just as bad as radical islam. You believing that is fine, but the problem starts where you try to force your beliefs on me. If i wish to be part of or even contribute to stem cell industry you need to mind your own business.

alot of problems could be avoided if people would just live and let live

[Swedish Extrovert]

Originally Posted by That One Guy

I've always heard it is very difficult for a male to contract the disease during sex with a female. Much more likely for those who will be on the receiving end of the semen (high levels in gays and black females) and that most straight males that have it get it from drug use.

Not a doctor, just what I've always heard.

I've seen statistics from several different sources that verify this. I read somewhere, I wish I could remember where it was, that said even if a man is having unprotected sex with an HIV-infected female, his chances of contraction are about 1 percent.

Usually there needs to be blood-on-blood or blood-on-seamen contact.

The reason why needles are so dangerous is because of the chamber in the needle (in the needle itself, not the syringe) that actually holds the blood and acts as a "mini-host".

Contracting the disease from other sources is very very difficult since the virus cannot survive without a host. Needles actualy cause the injection... there have been a few cases of someone contracting HIV from other sources - dentist, barber, shared razors - but even that it difficult, especially if you clean the blades, because you're not actually injecting the blood in your blood stream.

Nevertheless, the gay issue is more restrictive to the developed world, and as someone said on here its purely because anal intercourse causes more bleeding. But in Africa, where in certain parts HIV rates reach 29 percent (the life expectancy in Nigeria is 47), the problem is universal.

Obviously we're not going to be able to give stem cell transplants to every single person living with the virus, but I think this is a breakthrough.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by chadta

We make choices for our kids all the time, i guess i dont see the big deal, i have no problem with this being an opt out or an opt in type thing, if you wanna do it do it, if you dont then dont.

Well, we usually dont make the choice to chop them up and then sell their body parts, which is what you are advocating.

i suppose you believe that life begins at conception too ?

Its kind of crazy that this point has to be established, but with the way that misinformation has distorted the minds of the believers, this must be established.

If you have to forcibly kill something, it was alive before you killed it.

One doesnt believe that life begins at conception.

It is scientific fact that once the cortical reaction occurs and the DNA begins replicating that you are talking about a unique individual.

It is not science that provides the philosophical framework necessary to believe in abortion. It is secularism. Science is supposed to be impartial and efforting to unearth patterns of truths. This is an issue that is defined by competing philosophies. One says that killing children is necessary for certain reasons (strain on society, etc) and one says that it is a fundamental right of that child to exist once it has been conceived.

which is fine, but this is where i have to agree with some of the pinkos in
here who say that radical christianity is just as bad as radical islam. You believing that is fine, but the problem starts where you try to force your beliefs on me. If i wish to be part of or even contribute to stem cell industry you need to mind your own business.

Goodness. If our people in America ever become as heartless and dark as the position that you have put forth, we will not survive as a nation.

It is YOU who is forcing your "morals" on the children who are being killed. Abortion is not illegal right now. "Radical Christianity" (its not just Christians who hate abortion there, genius) is not forcing anything on anyone. You need to figure out what morals are and to realize that everyone has morals. Even people who are clueless about morals have morals.

Its so awful that people advocate for the murdered when they have no voices. Its just terrible that people try to save their lives. Terrible.

alot of problems could be avoided if people would just live and let live

Ironic statement of the day. A dude advocating the killing of children wanting to "live and let live".

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by chadta

Really ?

We make choices for our kids all the time, i guess i dont see the big deal, i have no problem with this being an opt out or an opt in type thing, if you wanna do it do it, if you dont then dont.

i suppose you believe that life begins at conception too ?

which is fine, but this is where i have to agree with some of the pinkos in here who say that radical christianity is just as bad as radical islam. You believing that is fine, but the problem starts where you try to force your beliefs on me. If i wish to be part of or even contribute to stem cell industry you need to mind your own business.

alot of problems could be avoided if people would just live and let live

When one persons choice infringes on the freedom of a person not yet old enough to fight or stand up for him or herself some people feel the obligation to step in.

Maybe we should live and let live when some guy is beating his wife. After all its not our business and she didn't get forced to live with the guy right? I mean she could just leave.

[cutthemdown]

Chadta is an idiot. Comparing having baby killed and sold for parts to parents making decisions for kids all the time. Are you ****ing serious?

[Doggcow]

Why are we having an argument guys?

Tim Tebow is against abortion. That's all you need to know.

[That One Guy]

Oh, and as I think people need to die, I'm not so certain I want a widespread cure. Those who primarily get HIV are drug users and those sleeping around - not hard to make the connection to more children and being a general plague on society. It's a check to get some of the garbage out of society, let it keep doing it's work.

[chadta]

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

It is YOU who is forcing your "morals" on the children who are being killed. Abortion is not illegal right now. "Radical Christianity" (its not just Christians who hate abortion there, genius) is not forcing anything on anyone. You need to figure out what morals are and to realize that everyone has morals. Even people who are clueless about morals have morals.

Its so awful that people advocate for the murdered when they have no voices. Its just terrible that people try to save their lives. Terrible.



Ironic statement of the day. A dude advocating the killing of children wanting to "live and let live".

WTF are you talking about, i never said anything about killing babies, infact i specifically said that as long as that wasnt why they were killin them, but that since they are already dead we may as well use them.

Originally Posted by chadta

unless they are killing babies to harvest stem cells whats the big deal ? how is this not any worse than organ donating ?

so now that youve made **** up and turned this into a debate on abortion, which honestly i think we are on the same side of, would you maybe take some time and actually read some of the posts in the thread, before painting people as having a certain position.

[chadta]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Chadta is an idiot. Comparing having baby killed and sold for parts to parents making decisions for kids all the time. Are you ****ing serious?

readings not your strong suit i see, ill copy it again

Originally Posted by chadta

unless they are killing babies to harvest stem cells whats the big deal ? how is this not any worse than organ donating ?

so please show me where once ive said we should kill babies to harvest parts, cuz ive just shown you were i specifically said that it should not happen.

but the fact remains, if they are already dead, why not use them ? how is that any different than being an organ donor ? lots of places have automatic organ donating, where if you dont specifically say you dont want to donate, guess what, you are, so how is this any different ?

[cutthemdown]

Because the ends don't always justify the means.