Obama caves to repubs

[cutthemdown]

Ha Ha it's a swing to the right baby!! Obama going to try and go Bill Clinton and IMO that is good for the country. Looks like he is telling the liberals you are beaten, time to try plan b!!!

Congratulations to the republicans who have already scored a huge victory before even being sworn in.

Smart smart plan by Obama though. He figures most dems will vote for him in 2 years regardless. By swinging to the right he can pick up some independents and have a great shot to win re-election in 2 yrs.

I mean what are dems going to do run against him in the primary? No way!

[peacepipe]

1 and done,won't make it out of his own primary in 2012.

[cutthemdown]

It's been a long time since an incumbent was challenged by his own party in the primary Peace. That is a bold prediction.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by peacepipe

1 and done,won't make it out of his own primary in 2012.

Nope. He just officially lost the Left for good. Obama is just another DINO, like Clinton. Progressives have to wake up. Start a new party.

[peacepipe]

Not since jimmy carter,but history does repeat itself.

[BroncoLifer]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Nope. He just officially lost the Left for good. Obama is just another DINO, like Clinton. Progressives have to wake up. Start a new party.

There you go, following the lead of the Tea Party again......

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by peacepipe

Not since jimmy carter,but history does repeat itself.

Hilliary should step down now and say she never wanted to do those things but Obama ordered her to. Resign and get ready to run against him in 2 yrs. Then just go on the attack for 2 yrs straight on repubs and dems.

I'm dreaming though repubs wont get that lucky.

[JJJ]

He may have just gotten himself re-elected today.

All systems are go now for a 1994-like bull run.

Democratic president b**** slapped back to reality and the center - check.

Republican congress (partial anyway) focused on controlling costs and anymore ridiculous spending bills- check.

Tax clarity provided for the market for a few years - check.

Crazy people like Pelosi put out to pasture - check.

Lets get this mofo started.



2012 Obama re-elected with both houses in Republican hands is looking more like the most likely scenario. He could turn out downright Clintonian if he plays his cards right.

[JJJ]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Nope. He just officially lost the Left for good. Obama is just another DINO, like Clinton. Progressives have to wake up. Start a new party.

Please. And crawl back into the holes of obscruity you creeped out of while you are at it.

How you guys ever got as much power as you did during this brief looney period we will call the Pelosi Years is beyond me and simply a perfect illustration of overreactionism by the electorate at its best. A brief abberation of how even normally the level headed American people can be duped into craziness from time to time.

OK American people, you hate Bush, but enough to put Reid and Pelosi in power? Good lord.

[peacepipe]

All systems are go now for a 1994-like bull run.

one problem taxes were raised in 1994,so I wouldn't count on bull run.

Democratic president b**** slapped back to reality and the center - check.

He's always been in the center, you guys are so far to the right that being a centrist makes a communist.

[JJJ]

Originally Posted by peacepipe

one problem taxes were raised in 1994,so I wouldn't count on bull run.

He's always been in the center, you guys are so far to the right that being a centrist makes a communist.

You really gotta wonder whats in that pipe of yours.

[peacepipe]

Originally Posted by JJJ

You really gotta wonder whats in that pipe of yours.

what leftist bill has been passed? is there a public option? NO. single payer? NO. EFCA? NO. Cap & Trade? NO. HC reform bill that passed was originally a republican idea. You know that "mandate"? was an idea originally put forth by Orrin Hatch, republican out of Utah. Please tell me what leftist bill got put into law under Obama?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by JJJ

Please. And crawl back into the holes of obscruity you creeped out of while you are at it.

How you guys ever got as much power as you did during this brief looney period we will call the Pelosi Years is beyond me and simply a perfect illustration of overreactionism by the electorate at its best. A brief abberation of how even normally the level headed American people can be duped into craziness from time to time.

OK American people, you hate Bush, but enough to put Reid and Pelosi in power? Good lord.

There problem is that they were so full of themselves that they didnt take time to read the vote...either that or they didnt care what the populace wanted. I think that it was more the latter than the former. It clearly was an indictment on neoconservativism, and NOT a vote in support of progressive liberalism.

It didnt help them that the Obama admin appointed a bunch of far-left wackos to "czar" positions.

The overeager far left trotted their skinny monsters out of the darkness, and our people responded with shock and disgust.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by peacepipe

what leftist bill has been passed? is there a public option? NO. single payer? NO. EFCA? NO. Cap & Trade? NO. HC reform bill that passed was originally a republican idea. You know that "mandate"? was an idea originally put forth by Orrin Hatch, republican out of Utah. Please tell me what leftist bill got put into law under Obama?

Stimulus.

Obamacare.

Pull your head out, guy.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by JJJ

You really gotta wonder whats in that pipe of yours.

He's so far left that he cant even tell what the political spectrum looks like from his vantage.

[BroncoLifer]

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

He's so far left that he cant even tell what the political spectrum looks like from his vantage.

Maybe he's a CBS News producer.

[JJJ]

Originally Posted by peacepipe

what leftist bill has been passed? is there a public option? NO. single payer? NO. EFCA? NO. Cap & Trade? NO. HC reform bill that passed was originally a republican idea. You know that "mandate"? was an idea originally put forth by Orrin Hatch, republican out of Utah. Please tell me what leftist bill got put into law under Obama?

What leftist bill would he like to pass or he tried to pass? All of the above.

I never said he was a successful leftie. Just a leftie.

You got a few crazy leftie deals done just on the strength of his personality alone. No way anything like the HC reform, or the stimulus would have had a chance in hell of passing without his charisma.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by BroncoLifer

Maybe he's a CBS News producer.

[TonyR]

So, was this worth it? I’d still say no, although it’s better than what I expected over the weekend. It still greatly increases the chances of the Bush tax cuts being made permanent — especially because the front-loading of the stimulative stuff actually worsens Obama’s 2012 electoral prospects.

Overall, enough sweetener has been added to diminish, but not eliminate, the bitterness of the disappointment.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/the-deal/

The deal has something to annoy everyone -- but also something for everyone. You're a Democrat? The tax cuts for the rich are extended, and the estate tax deal exempts inheritances up to $5 million while cutting the rate heirs pay to 35 percent. But that's why the Republicans like it. You're a Republican? The tax cuts are only extended for two years, and they're paired with 13 months of unemployment insurance, an extension of a variety of tax credits passed in the stimulus, and a new payroll tax cut -- all of them deficit-financed. But that's why the Democrats like it. You're a deficit hawk? The deal adds more than $700 billion to the deficit. And, let's be honest, you got nothing in return.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...ou_need_t.html

Subtract the $400 billion cost of the Bush tax cuts. Subtract another $140 billion or so, which is the cost of extending the Alternative Minimum Tax patch (and almost certainly would have happened regardless). You’re then left with more than $300 billion in net stimulus over two years. And while that sum will not be enough to fix the economy all by itself, it is serious money. The original stimulus bill cost about $800 billion, and most of the money will have been spent in the first two years after its passage.

This deal looks an awful lot like a second stimulus.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...cond-stimulus/

Ezra Klein argues that this might amount to a win for the White House on mid-term political and even policy grounds because of the stimulative effect of the tax cuts and the UI re-up combined. His argument being that there's enough stimulus contained in the deal to measurably improve the economy by 2012 and thus the president's chances of reelection. Not only that, but create a better political climate to re-litigate the tax question. I think Ezra may be on to something (I'll have to give it some thought). But I find myself in a position somewhat similar to that he acribes to a lot of folks on the Hill: it might be brilliant. But it's getting hard to believe it's not brilliant by accident.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/arc...=Google+Reader

[The tax cut deal] has partially set my mind at ease about the prospects of a GOP strategy of economic sabotage. The tax policy the right wants, though in general bad for the country, is not bad for short-term economic performance. And the concessions they were willing to give Obama in exchange for boosting the incomes of rich people are expansionary in the short-term. So the terrain here exists well within the range of “normal” politics where conservatives want lower taxes on rich people. This is kind of nutty in my view, but it’s a deeply held article of faith on the right and not some ad hoc effort to sink the economy or anything.
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/20...=Google+Reader

Obama’s cave-in on taxes will alienate more than vocal progressives. It could be far more politically damaging than that. This is not simply a matter of provoking the base with yet another compromise. This is a matter of abandoning a position that is widely and strongly held throughout his party. In some cases, Obama has angered progressives by doing exactly what he promised during the campaign, but in this case he would be openly repudiating one of the most prominent positions he took during the campaign.
http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2010...tely-to-yield/

This is clearly a win for the Republicans, who get everything they want for the rich. The tax cuts on incomes over $250,000 a year will last for two years, versus just 13 months for the extension of federal unemployment benefits, and just one year of lower payroll taxes. Meanwhile, all the Congressional opposition to this deal is going to come from Democrats, who are basically being asked to sign off on exactly the same bill that George W Bush would have asked for, with a spoonful of unemployment-benefit sugar to help the medicine go down. A lot of them will be wistfully eyeing David Leonhardt’s list of what could be achieved with the $60 billion going on those tax cuts for the rich, and wondering how a Democratic president could find himself doing this.
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmo...s-oprah-style/

[Smiling Assassin27]

Originally Posted by JJJ

He may have just gotten himself re-elected today.

All systems are go now for a 1994-like bull run.

Democratic president b**** slapped back to reality and the center - check.

Republican congress (partial anyway) focused on controlling costs and anymore ridiculous spending bills- check.

Tax clarity provided for the market for a few years - check.

Crazy people like Pelosi put out to pasture - check.

Lets get this mofo started.



2012 Obama re-elected with both houses in Republican hands is looking more like the most likely scenario. He could turn out downright Clintonian if he plays his cards right.

or...

He just bent over George Soros and the Left Machine that mobilized so dramatically in 2008. You see a primary challenge of a sitting president who has demonstrated his lack of backbone and total foresaking of his campaign values. check.

He was elected by Independents on the idea that only the rich would be taken to the woodshed with tax increases, which turned out to be a lie, sending Independents to the Republicans. check.

Obama gets his unemployment extension, which as study after study show, keeps unemployment high. With current unemployment of youth at an all time high, he loses the youth vote because he promised them the world and gave them a pink slip and eviction notice. check.

Luckily for Obama, there is a trap door. Republicans are just idiotic enough to step on their own genitalia over and over again with rampant spending, elitism, and hawkish foreign policy. Repubs say they're here to lead and govern, but the allure of power and money has always been too damn powerful for them.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

or...

He just bent over George Soros and the Left Machine that mobilized so dramatically in 2008. You see a primary challenge of a sitting president who has demonstrated his lack of backbone and total foresaking of his campaign values. check.

He was elected by Independents on the idea that only the rich would be taken to the woodshed with tax increases, which turned out to be a lie, sending Independents to the Republicans. check.

Obama gets his unemployment extension, which as study after study show, keeps unemployment high. With current unemployment of youth at an all time high, he loses the youth vote because he promised them the world and gave them a pink slip and eviction notice. check.

Luckily for Obama, there is a trap door. Republicans are just idiotic enough to step on their own genitalia over and over again with rampant spending, elitism, and hawkish foreign policy. Repubs say they're here to lead and govern, but the allure of power and money has always been too damn powerful for them.

Our interests now span the globe. The repubs and dems alike try to use the US voter to fund a globalist agenda.

Our globalist agenda runs counter to the agenda of the average citizen in most ways. People like Soros view the US as the global government and have tried to influence US elections to suit globalist ends.

The repubs and dems are pulled in those directions. They need to be put in check. When we're closing factories here and relocating them to Taiwan, Indonesia, China, Mexico and India, you know somethings wrong.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by JJJ

He may have just gotten himself re-elected today.

Good to see you get it, even if your buddies don't.

And notice that Obama has secured - with Republican backing - a big new stimulus that will almost certainly goose growth and lower unemployment as he moves toward re-election. If growth accelerates, none of the current political jockeying and Halperin-style hyper-ventilation will matter. Obama will benefit - thanks, in part, to Republican dogma. So here's something the liberal base can chew on if they need some grist: how cool is it that Mitch McConnell just made Barack Obama's re-election more likely? Bet you didn't see that one coming, did you?
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...ll-sucker.html

[Smiling Assassin27]

I forgot one more thing. He froze government salaries and utterly pi$$ed off the union bosses in doing so. This deal, they have already said they would vehemently oppose. Not that the union brass/scum have anywhere else to turn, but they just may support a guy that primaries Obama.

Congrats, Mr. President. You got every side of the aisle to dislike you. If that ain't bi-partisan, I don't know what is.

[JJJ]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Good to see you get it, even if your buddies don't.

And notice that Obama has secured - with Republican backing - a big new stimulus that will almost certainly goose growth and lower unemployment as he moves toward re-election. If growth accelerates, none of the current political jockeying and Halperin-style hyper-ventilation will matter. Obama will benefit - thanks, in part, to Republican dogma. So here's something the liberal base can chew on if they need some grist: how cool is it that Mitch McConnell just made Barack Obama's re-election more likely? Bet you didn't see that one coming, did you?
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...ll-sucker.html

But you do realize he will be completely impotent to pass any more crazy leftie idealogy yes?

Especially after 2012 he will simply sit back, veto a few things like Clinton did with welfare reform (twice I believe before Newt finally rammed it home), and get ready to write the book. Only problem is we probably won't have some cool sex scandal to keep us occupied. Obama is a bit boring in that regard.

He will be president but he is neutered.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

I forgot one more thing. He froze government salaries and utterly pi$$ed off the union bosses in doing so. This deal, they have already said they would vehemently oppose. Not that the union brass/scum have anywhere else to turn, but they just may support a guy that primaries Obama.

Congrats, Mr. President. You got every side of the aisle to dislike you. If that ain't bi-partisan, I don't know what is.

The modern left is so militant in its partisanship, that it was inevitable that they turned on Obama. A president literally has to "cave" on some issues to get anything done. They would have rather Obama sat with his arms folded like a petulant child and screamed "Noooooooooo!"

There are factions all over the far left (including former Obama czar and admitted communist revolutinary Van Jones) who are encouraging people to consider violent revolution.