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View Poll Results: Week 13: Keep him or Fire him?
Keep Him! 64 43.84%
Donno - 21 14.38%
Fire him - 61 41.78%
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Old 12-05-2010, 09:12 PM   #1
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Old 12-05-2010, 09:23 PM   #2
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As much as it makes me sick to think of bringing in someone else, who then has to bring in his coaches, who then have to draft their type of players, who then have to learn the new "schemes"... God,that process sucks.

It just sucks a little less than keeping him.

Fire him at the end of the season.

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Old 12-05-2010, 09:23 PM   #3
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Isn't your fire him guy the one from the Spartacus show? That was so warped I can't bring myself to click him. That and I'm not totally decided anyways.
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Old 12-05-2010, 09:23 PM   #4
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Great pics.

I say you have to let the season play out. If Kyle doesn't poop the bed, we win the game today. That would have meant something, like Taco said in his thread. Today wasn't a disaster, just a missed opportunity.

I'm still of the mindset that one more year, more talent and potentially some front-office help is a better solution than scrapping things at this stage.

But, there are certainly plenty of reasons to second-guess this coach right now. I understand it. If we move on, so be it.
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Old 12-05-2010, 09:25 PM   #5
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I think Josh will lose his job if we don't win at least 2 of the next 4. I hope he starts Tebow (but know he won't) and we see what the future looks like. I think he is the final piece in the O puzzle, and we trade Orton for more picks and we use all of those on D.
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Old 12-05-2010, 09:28 PM   #6
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I'm still saying keep.

This season has admittedly been much worse than I imagined, but my belief was always that 2011 would be his make or break year and I still say we give him that chance to get it right.

I can't claim that I'm massively confident that he'll actually succeed, but I've seen enough to suggest that maybe we'd have a quality team with some sort of talent in our pass rush (a healthy Dumervil) and a QB like Tebow who can actually make things happen on 3rd down rather than fold like a guy with 2-7 off suit the way Orton seems to.
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Old 12-05-2010, 09:30 PM   #7
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Keep him if hes smart enough to give Tebow playing time, fire him if hes dumb enough to keep Orton in the whole season, because if he doesn't realize playing Tebow can possibly extend his time as head coach than he really is dumb like everyones been saying.

seasons dead why not play the kid, playing Orton does nothing for the team's future.....
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I'm still a believer in giving a coach three years, so no go.
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Old 12-05-2010, 09:50 PM   #9
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Keep him if hes smart enough to give Tebow playing time, fire him if hes dumb enough to keep Orton in the whole season, because if he doesn't realize playing Tebow can possibly extend his time as head coach than he really is dumb like everyones been saying.

seasons dead why not play the kid, playing Orton does nothing for the team's future.....
This.

I don't really care what the record is the rest of the way if they're playing Tebow and the other young kids. McD keeps his job if he throws it open to use the rest of the season to prepare next year's players, but if he tries to cling to winning meaningless games at the expense of developing players with this opportunity, then he needs to exit stage left.
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Old 12-05-2010, 09:58 PM   #10
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We should fire our entire defense.... So yes
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Old 12-05-2010, 09:58 PM   #11
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The only thing this guy has done that you could maybe say is successful is develop a quarterback.

His coaching blunders have cost us at least 3 games, if not more. Thats coaching blunders, not "not having a gm" blunders. His coaching blunders last year cost us the playoffs.

Then there were the running off of the Goodmans. And everyone else.

I really want the negativity to increase, and reach a boiling point. I want the attendance to not be announced the last 2 games of the season, out of humiliation. That is the fans voice. Only then can we force Bowlens hand.

And only then can optimism for this team return, and despair leave.

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Old 12-05-2010, 10:03 PM   #12
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As much as it makes me sick to think of bringing in someone else, who then has to bring in his coaches, who then have to draft their type of players, who then have to learn the new "schemes"... God,that process sucks.

It just sucks a little less than keeping him.

Fire him at the end of the season.
Which is precisely why we need stability.
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Old 12-05-2010, 10:05 PM   #13
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The Raider game will decide it for me.
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McDaniels for another year.
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I say keep unless you have a sure plan for the next coach. I know that there has to be a formal interview process, the Rooney rule, etc, but that's a formality. For instance, let's just say it was Gruden. If we were to fire McD, I'd want Gruden to be waiting in the wings. I'd want it to be a done deal beforehand. And I know that's probably against some rules, but these are dire times.

Just firing him to appease people with no plan of attack would be stupid.
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Old 12-05-2010, 10:11 PM   #16
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I voted "donno" because it depends.

If we get a strong GM in the front office OR if there is likely a long lockout coming, OR a lockout and then an abbreviated year, then you might as well keep him one more year and bleed out the contract and see how he works with a GM.

If we don't get a GM, then I wouldn't mind seeing him fired.

I still can't believe they gave a rookie head coach a four year contract. That was really stupid.
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Old 12-05-2010, 10:12 PM   #17
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Today, we played great defense, and great running the ball.
And we still couldn't score one touchdown to win it at the end...
We've been stinking in 3rd down convertions. We're not scoring points par for the yardage we've been generating on offense

FWIW: McDaniels is currently working on his fourth 4-game losing streak in two years.
Not good. I'd say, can his ass!
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Old 12-06-2010, 05:38 AM   #18
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Yeah pretty much. I'm going to wait and see how this team responds in the remaining games.

Not getting beaten up and demolished at home would be a good start.
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Old 12-06-2010, 05:40 AM   #19
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When the season ends, no sooner.

Midseason firings are a PR stunt only where no one really wins.
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Which is precisely why we need stability.
What stability is that?

Getting boo'ed at home, fined by the league for spying, having the worst defense/running game in the league? Allowing visiting teams to break records in scoring?

That's the definition of instability.
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Old 12-06-2010, 05:44 AM   #21
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Find an experienced gm now, and let him decide.
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Old 12-06-2010, 05:45 AM   #22
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It doesn't really matter.

Keep him around until the end of the season so the blind supporters MIGHT finally begin to see just how bad he is.
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Old 12-06-2010, 05:46 AM   #23
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Isn't your fire him guy the one from the Spartacus show? That was so warped I can't bring myself to click him. That and I'm not totally decided anyways.
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This. It sucks losing, but we seem to have gotten a bit of talent the last couple of drafts (2010 more so) and that takes time to develop/gel. We've seen some evidence of that in our OL the last few games since they've all been healthy and worked together. One more year and if we're not at the least headed in the right direction then we make a move.
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Old 12-06-2010, 05:49 AM   #24
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There is no point in keeping Josh.
Regarding development of Tebow, people are acting as if Josh is the only coach in NFL that can develop QB's...Look at Josh Freeman, Sam Bradford..They developed quicker than Kyle Orton..
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Find an experienced gm now, and let him decide.
This is exactly what needs to be done. This organization needs an experienced leader to transform perhaps the thinnest front office in the league. After the season this person should be brought in and have a heavy say regarding the futures of McDaniels and Xanders, among others. But you certainly don't fire McD now, and you probably don't even fire him after the season because of the looming lockout along with the prospect of paying 3 head coaches.
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