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Old 12-01-2010, 09:59 AM   #1
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he's great for an 11 year old

lots of pitfalls ahead of him...like drugs, gangs, school


and the worst one of all: GIRLS
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He's more like the next Nash than the next Jordan.

His dad needs to quit with the braid mullet.
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Old 12-01-2010, 10:30 AM   #4
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I see Allen Iverson in his prime.
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isnt this video way old?
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Old 12-01-2010, 11:05 AM   #6
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isnt this video way old?
? First time I had seen it. It was on my FB . Thought it was pretty cool. If it is old It would be cool to see how he has progressed.
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Old 12-01-2010, 11:13 AM   #7
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hopefully the kid keeps playing for the love of the game, and for no other reason

although I hate the "next Michael Jordan" or the next anyone for that matter

there won't be another MJ, that's what made him special
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Old 12-01-2010, 11:22 AM   #8
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Kid should be aspiring to be the next Kobe. d:-)
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I see Allen Iverson in his prime.
My first reaction also.
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Old 12-01-2010, 12:22 PM   #10
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This video is from about 3 years ago. here is a more recent video

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Kid should be aspiring to be the next Kobe. d:-)
I dont think that rape is a good goal for children to aspire to.
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The next Romeo Miller. Nothing overwhelmingly special
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I definitely appreciate the kid's physical skills and ability, but there is a whole lot more to playing basketball than just that...understanding the game is what separates a dominating playground star and a guy like Jordan

I doubt anything basketball related was ever handed to Jordan, that man worked his ass off his entire career to improve, even when he was just embarrassingly good
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I definitely appreciate the kid's physical skills and ability, but there is a whole lot more to playing basketball than just that...understanding the game is what separates a dominating playground star and a guy like Jordan

I doubt anything basketball related was ever handed to Jordan, that man worked his ass off his entire career to improve, even when he was just embarrassingly good
Yep.

Its what separates him from guys like LeBarn or Dwight Howard.

The greats add to their game in the offseason.
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Yep.

Its what separates him from guys like LeBarn or Dwight Howard.

The greats add to their game in the offseason.
You know another reason Michael Jordan was so great? Scottie Pippen...who may have been the most underappreciated basketball player of all time. Remember, when Jordan retired, Pippen took that team within one game of the eastern conference finals. You take LeBron away from the Cavs and you get, well, what the cavs are this season which aint much (the jury is still out on the miami thing, but youd have to wonder how much Bron wishes he picked Cleveland or NYC instead of "taking his talents to south beach" )
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You know another reason Michael Jordan was so great? Scottie Pippen...who may have been the most underappreciated basketball player of all time. Remember, when Jordan retired, Pippen took that team within one game of the eastern conference finals. You take LeBron away from the Cavs and you get, well, what the cavs are this season which aint much (the jury is still out on the miami thing, but youd have to wonder how much Bron wishes he picked Cleveland or NYC instead of "taking his talents to south beach" )
Pippen was a good player, no doubt, but he wasnt a first option type.

His own coach didnt believe that, which led to a fallout between he and Phil Jackson.

Pippen wasnt as good as modern first option/MVP types like Bryant, Nash, Shaq, Duncan, or Nowitzki, and its debatable that he was better than someone like Paul Pierce or even Gasol who arent necessarily the type to carry a team, but can come through with baskets on their own in the clutch.

Pippen was a Shawn Marion of sorts.

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He's 11 and he runs a 4:50 mile. That's faster than anything I've ever run by nearly a full minute.
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Pippen was a good player, no doubt, but he wasnt a first option type.

His own coach didnt believe that, which led to a fallout between he and Phil Jackson.

Pippen wasnt as good as modern first option/MVP types like Bryant, Nash, Shaq, Duncan, or Nowitzki, and its debatable that he was better than someone like Paul Pierce who isnt necessarily the type to carry a team, but can come through with baskets on his own in the clutch.

Pippen was a Shawn Marion of sorts.
Umm Shawn Marion x15. There was a reason Chuck Daly (i think it was?) referred to Pippen as one of the best players on the dream team. He was the ultimate Jack of All Trades. And he could totally carry a team. Maybe not like Kobe or Michael, but the guy had an amazing understanding of basketball. Again, when Jordan left that Bulls team (which was essentially not much beyond Jordan and Pippen) they were still a very dangerous basketball team that did well i nthe playoffs. If Shawn Marion runs a team, virtually alone, hes not coming close.
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Umm Shawn Marion x15. There was a reason Chuck Daly (i think it was?) referred to Pippen as one of the best players on the dream team. He was the ultimate Jack of All Trades. And he could totally carry a team. Maybe not like Kobe or Michael, but the guy had an amazing understanding of basketball. Again, when Jordan left that Bulls team (which was essentially not much beyond Jordan and Pippen) they were still a very dangerous basketball team that did well i nthe playoffs. If Shawn Marion runs a team, virtually alone, hes not coming close.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/shawn_...eer_stats.html

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/scotti...tatistics.html

Check them out. Very, very simlar players. Marion is a better rebounder, Pippen a better passer and a little bit better of a defender.

Pippen has never been an MVP-type.

I watched every televised Bulls game during the MJ era. I know exactly what Pippen was.
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http://www.nba.com/playerfile/scotti...tatistics.html

Check them out. Very, very simlar players. Marion is a better rebounder, Pippen a better passer and a little bit better of a defender.

Pippen has never been an MVP-type.

I watched every televised Bulls game during the MJ era. I know exactly what Pippen was.
I was a knicks fan during that era, so im well aware of what Pippen would do that us on a yearly basis (and Jordan too obviously, ugh). Stats in basketball can often be worthless, look no further than Shareef Abdur Raheem, Ray Allen on the Sonics, etc etc. We'll never know Pippen's leadership potential because he played his entire prime with Jordan, so its impossible to say that he was only a complimentary player when he never had the chance to be the guy (other than the one half season in...what was it 94?) when he did lead his team deep into the playoffs. Plus, Pippens prime was during that age of defensive basketball where it was commonplace for guys to beat the crap out of each other (remember those knicks teams with Oak, Mase...etc? Riley's team?) Marion played in a higher scoring PHX offense that, and im just guessing here, fired up a ton more shots than those bulls teams did). So that gives him much more opportunity for points and rebounds. All those phoenix guys (and now knicks players too) have inflated statistics simply because there is more opportunity in that offense.
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I was a knicks fan during that era, so im well aware of what Pippen would do that us on a yearly basis (and Jordan too obviously, ugh). Stats in basketball can often be worthless, look no further than Shareef Abdur Raheem, Ray Allen on the Sonics, etc etc. We'll never know Pippen's leadership potential because he played his entire prime with Jordan, so its impossible to say that he was only a complimentary player when he never had the chance to be the guy (other than the one half season in...what was it 94?) when he did lead his team deep into the playoffs. Plus, Pippens prime was during that age of defensive basketball where it was commonplace for guys to beat the crap out of each other (remember those knicks teams with Oak, Mase...etc? Riley's team?) Marion played in a higher scoring PHX offense that, and im just guessing here, fired up a ton more shots than those bulls teams did). So that gives him much more opportunity for points and rebounds. All those phoenix guys (and now knicks players too) have inflated statistics simply because there is more opportunity in that offense.
Both Pippen and Marion are great athletes with a varied toolbox. They both do alot of alot of different things. Theyre both fantasy basketball dream players capable of odd triple doubles every night. Pippen was a better one on one player and a little less athletic than Marion, but theyre probably a couple of the most comparable players in NBA history. Marions statistics and performance were eyebrow-raising before Nash ever went back there.

You appear to be a Lakers fan who is trying to even the ground between Kobe and Jordan by propping Pippen up to be something he wasnt. Phil Jackson, Kobe's coach, wanted Pippen to defer offensively to Tony Kucoc! It ticked Pippen off to no end.

Kobe had his chance to be Michael Jordan, and he failed. Those LA dark years where Kobe had to carry the team and whined about it all the time while holding the franchise hostage with his constant threats to leave...thats when he could have been Jordan.
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Both Pippen and Marion are great athletes with a varied toolbox. They both do alot of alot of different things. Theyre both fantasy basketball dream players capable of odd triple doubles every night. Pippen was a better one on one player and a little less athletic than Marion, but theyre probably a couple of the most comparable players in NBA history. Marions statistics and performance were eyebrow-raising before Nash ever went back there.

You appear to be a Lakers fan who is trying to even the ground between Kobe and Jordan by propping Pippen up to be something he wasnt. Phil Jackson, Kobe's coach, wanted Pippen to defer offensively to Tony Kucoc! It ticked Pippen off to no end.

Kobe had his chance to be Michael Jordan, and he failed. Those LA dark years where Kobe had to carry the team and whined about it all the time while holding the franchise hostage with his constant threats to leave...thats when he could have been Jordan.
Wrong actually; I cant stand the lakers or Kobe. Im a knicks fan (its nice to have a winning record again) and I have nothing but incredible respect for Michael Jordan who was, i think without question, the best player ever. I just dont think he wins 6 championships without Scottie by his side, who i really think is incredibly underrated (and i have a lot of experience watching both of them absolutely eviscerate us on a yearly basis. He was the ultimate complimentary player because he understood his role (which Dwayne Wade clearly doesnt) but I have no doubt Scottie could have been the man on another team. Im not saying he would have been a championship player, but he would have been a damn good one. (theres no shame in having a Barkley, Malone esque career). However, we will never know because he never got that shot.

And he wanted to defer to Kukoc on ONE PLAY, that's hardly a seasons worth of deferral.
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Wrong actually; I cant stand the lakers or Kobe. Im a knicks fan (its nice to have a winning record again) and I have nothing but incredible respect for Michael Jordan who was, i think without question, the best player ever. I just dont think he wins 6 championships without Scottie by his side, who i really think is incredibly underrated (and i have a lot of experience watching both of them absolutely eviscerate us on a yearly basis. He was the ultimate complimentary player because he understood his role (which Dwayne Wade clearly doesnt) but I have no doubt Scottie could have been the man on another team. Im not saying he would have been a championship player, but he would have been a damn good one. (theres no shame in having a Barkley, Malone esque career). However, we will never know because he never got that shot.

And he wanted to defer to Kukoc on ONE PLAY, that's hardly a seasons worth of deferral.
It wasnt just that play. It was a pattern that developed over the season.

Pippen was a complementary player. I think that on the list of the game's greats, the complementary guys should be a tier below the guys who carried the weight. Barkley being a perfect example of a player who did more for his franchises. Malone had Stockton, who was arguably the greatest PG ever to suit up. I would put Malone above Pippen too though. Any MVP-level player (which Malone was one of) is above Pippen.
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