Paige: Broncos should turn to Elway to clean up mess - The Orange Mane

Bronco Rob · 11-30-2010, 05:19 AM

Paige: Broncos should turn to Elway to clean up mess

The savior of the Broncos in 1983 could be the best man to salvage the franchise in 2010.

John Elway.

Why not hire the most successful, renowned and honored player in Broncos history to a newly created position of executive vice president, football operations?

Why not let The Duke of Denver help turn around the team that has been characterized as "a laughingstock of the NFL," the Buffalo Bills West?

Why not now?

Elway, according to an impeccable source, "would accept an offer to rejoin the Broncos in a full- time executive position."

Elway and Joe Ellis, chief operating officer of the Broncos, did not comment on the possibility Monday, although there appears to be interest on both sides.

Elway has become involved again with the Broncos this year in a marketing capacity (particularly before the game in London) and as a team motivator-adviser (particularly before the game against Kansas City).

The Broncos have not experienced such rock-bottom plights and predicaments since 1976 and 1982.

In '76, "The Dirty Dozen," 12 veteran players, caused a firestorm in Denver by meeting secretly with the ownership and revolting publicly against coach-general manager John Ralston, accusing him of incompetence. Ralston ended up being relieved as GM, then, shortly after, fired as coach.

He was replaced by Fred Gehrke as general manager and Red Miller as coach, and the Broncos went to their first Super Bowl in the 1977 season.

Five years later, when Dan Reeves was the coach (after replacing Miller), the Broncos missed the postseason for the third consecutive season (and had no playoff victories since the Super Bowl appearance). The first players' strike, of 57 days, caused the cancellation of seven games. The Broncos finished with a 2-7 record, their worst (percentage) effort in more than a decade.

Along came John.

http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_16738959

zdoor · 11-30-2010, 05:21 AM

Go Woody...

Cmac821 · 11-30-2010, 05:28 AM

Who is this John guy?

I kid, I kid

Sassy · 11-30-2010, 05:33 AM

listening to the ticket this am...said Pages source happened to be the owner of a restuarant that they met at in Cherry Creek.

Kaylore · 11-30-2010, 05:34 AM

John might not be qualified to be a "GM" but I wouldn't mind him in an advisory role.

TheElusiveKyleOrton · 11-30-2010, 05:39 AM

I just wonder what his qualification is to be VP of Football Ops. I love the guy, and would really love to see him doing something with the Broncos, but this magic bullet theory is a bit too much for me.

McDman · 11-30-2010, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatOneDenverMooseGuy

I just wonder what his qualification is to be VP of Football Ops. I love the guy, and would really love to see him doing something with the Broncos, but this magic bullet theory is a bit too much for me.

This. I love the guy nut he hasn't even worked in a FO yet.

Sassy · 11-30-2010, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by McDman444

This. I love the guy nut he hasn't even worked in a FO yet.

But he does have football knowledge and business experience.

Broncoman13 · 11-30-2010, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

John might not be qualified to be a "GM" but I wouldn't mind him in an advisory role.

This is what I thought two years ago when the rumors first started about Elway being a part of the front office. I thought at the time (and still do) that he wasn't qualified... but two years into this debacle, I'm willing to give it a try. The upside is that of an Ozzie Newsome. The downside... well, Matt Millen.

But if Pat Bowlen really likes McD and would like to keep him around, there may not be a better move than bringing in John Elway. Good PR move, fans would support him and perhaps be more patient with him. And, hopefully, it would remove some of the responsibilities from McD. Elway could call the shots on his coaching staff and help surround him with talent... and if things went further south could make the call on the HC.

Right now, the coaching staff is so thin that they cannot fire McD and replace him internally. That has to be an issue with the front office. Can't give the job to Wink Martindale. McCoy...nope. Really, who does that leave? McD doesn't have a talented staff and he is partly (if not mainly) to blame for that. McD is going to have to concede some power and allow a staff of competent coaches. It will actually help him in the long run.

TheElusiveKyleOrton · 11-30-2010, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Sassy

But he does have football knowledge and business experience.

So do about 10% of the people on this board. Doesn't mean we should have them running a billion dollar franchise.

Elway is just as capable of falling in love with a prospect and overvaluing him as anyone else.

If it happens, I'll support it, but in no way do I think that Elway will magically fix everything.

strafen · 11-30-2010, 05:57 AM

Wow, these people don't want to let go of McDaniels.
Now they have the cohones to question Elway's credentials.
Some freakin' people!

I guarantee you, Elway is way more qualify and have more brains to do whatever the guy wants to do than McDaniels does...

Fire McDaniels!

Sassy · 11-30-2010, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThatOneDenverMooseGuy

So do about 10% of the people on this board. Doesn't mean we should have them running a billion dollar franchise.

Elway is just as capable of falling in love with a prospect and overvaluing him as anyone else.

If it happens, I'll support it, but in no way do I think that Elway will magically fix everything.

No. It doesn't. But he does have the respect of the owner, the franchise and the players. Why not give him a shot?

montrose · 11-30-2010, 06:03 AM

Makes sense - especially considering the fondness Bowlen and Ellis seem to have for McD. It would take some pressure off Josh, especially if Elway's role becomes very visable. And although it's a much lower level of talent - Elway did build the roster that won the AFL title.

TheElusiveKyleOrton · 11-30-2010, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strafen

Wow, these people don't want to let go of McDaniels.
Now they have the cohones to question Elway's credentials.
Some freakin' people!

I guarantee you, Elway is way more qualify and have more brains to do whatever the guy wants to do than McDaniels does...

Fire McDaniels!

You really are a ****ing retard. Like, REALLY. Really, really, really, really retarded.

Look dip****: Why don't you explain Elway's "credentials" as anything other than a quarterback or a restauranteur and businessman? This isn't about questioning Elway, and it doesn't have anything to do with McDaniels. You're too ****ing stupid to realize that.

Just shut the **** up until you can manage to pull that giant head of yours out of your giant ass. Nobody gives a flying **** what you think, because nobody listens to morons and retards.

TheElusiveKyleOrton · 11-30-2010, 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sassy

No. It doesn't. But he does have the respect of the owner, the franchise and the players. Why not give him a shot?

Hey, we're just talkin' it out here.

I don't think it will hurt the franchise. I also don't think it will solve everything. And i think there are better candidates out there.

/shrug

No, they wouldn't mean as much in a PR respect, but they could find more immediate success with the team.

illbroncsfn · 11-30-2010, 06:28 AM

#7 is always #1 in my heart- advisory role for the broncos- I'm ok w/that......

Bill Parcells for G.M. would be the best move. Forbes had an article discussing the marked fiscal value of each time he has worked for- Bowlen should read the article (assuming he still can as his faculties are obviously taking a beating....) and make the right call....

zdoor · 11-30-2010, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThatOneDenverMooseGuy

You really are a ****ing retard. Like, REALLY. Really, really, really, really retarded.

Look dip****: Why don't you explain Elway's "credentials" as anything other than a quarterback or a restauranteur and businessman? This isn't about questioning Elway, and it doesn't have anything to do with McDaniels. You're too ****ing stupid to realize that.

Just shut the **** up until you can manage to pull that giant head of yours out of your giant ass. Nobody gives a flying **** what you think, because nobody listens to morons and retards.

Although its not nearly the same he did cut his teeth as an exec in the Arena League... I would say we'd have a better shot at Free Agents with Elway than staying status quo next year. He still commands some respect and at this point the existing staff is going to be questionable at best to most free agents.. I would definitely be excited to at least have his presence back in the organization... Wouldn't mind Parcells either

rugbythug · 11-30-2010, 06:55 AM

I don't think most would like elway once he keeps mcd another year

errand · 11-30-2010, 06:55 AM

Typical orangemane...the answer to everything is Elway....or Shanahan.

Doesn't Elway own an AFL franchise or two? Is he coaching them? the majority of good to great NFL coaches and front office people aren't former players.

Fire the coach and hire Elway. Yeah, that makes sense. Just like the **** head that wanted Kubiak to replace McDaniels...the same guy you morons were b****ing about a few seasons ago...i recall half this site complaining about how predictable our offense was if we didn't score 24 or more in a game...and would be very vocal about how Kubiak sucked at playcalling. Now you morons want him back?

****ing pathetic....

Rulon Velvet Jones · 11-30-2010, 06:56 AM

Fine. I'll post just enough to point out that a similar move worked for your beloved Texas Rangers when they brought Nolan Ryan into the front office. INSTANT respect among the players and potential free agents. I would say Ryan and Elway's business credentials were similar, but it's that respect factor and aura that makes the real difference.

/back to lurking

baja · 11-30-2010, 07:08 AM

John could be in charge of the drinking games

TheElusiveKyleOrton · 11-30-2010, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McRulon McVelvet McJones

Fine. I'll post just enough to point out that a similar move worked for your beloved Texas Rangers when they brought Nolan Ryan into the front office. INSTANT respect among the players and potential free agents. I would say Ryan and Elway's business credentials were similar, but it's that respect factor and aura that makes the real difference.

/back to lurking

This is a very good point. Well done.

Beantown Bronco · 11-30-2010, 07:17 AM

Hopefully Bowlen would require him to dump that ex-Raiderette first.

footstepsfrom#27 · 11-30-2010, 07:19 AM

Just because a guy is successful on the field, or even in another business after jockdom, it doesn't mean he's a qualified candidate for an NFL GM's job. In any case, Elway's star couldn't possibly rise any higher in Denver than it already has, unless he won the governor's chair. Assuming he was offered the job...I don't think he will be...it's a risky move from a PR standpoint because if he fails at this, his stock goes down from where it is now. He doesn't need the money, doesn't seem to be driven to be in a job like this either. What incentive does he have to do this?

Mile High Shack · 11-30-2010, 07:21 AM

I'm worried about the Michael Jordan factor, great players don't always make great bosses in the sports world.

I'm love #7 with all my heart, but I don't know if him being in the front office is the right move

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11-30-2010, 05:19 AM	#1
Bronco Rob Ring of Famer There's A New Sheriff In Town Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 4,587 Adopt-a-Bronco: Bill Vinovich	Paige: Broncos should turn to Elway to clean up mess Paige: Broncos should turn to Elway to clean up mess The savior of the Broncos in 1983 could be the best man to salvage the franchise in 2010. John Elway. Why not hire the most successful, renowned and honored player in Broncos history to a newly created position of executive vice president, football operations? Why not let The Duke of Denver help turn around the team that has been characterized as "a laughingstock of the NFL," the Buffalo Bills West? Why not now? Elway, according to an impeccable source, "would accept an offer to rejoin the Broncos in a full- time executive position." Elway and Joe Ellis, chief operating officer of the Broncos, did not comment on the possibility Monday, although there appears to be interest on both sides. Elway has become involved again with the Broncos this year in a marketing capacity (particularly before the game in London) and as a team motivator-adviser (particularly before the game against Kansas City). The Broncos have not experienced such rock-bottom plights and predicaments since 1976 and 1982. In '76, "The Dirty Dozen," 12 veteran players, caused a firestorm in Denver by meeting secretly with the ownership and revolting publicly against coach-general manager John Ralston, accusing him of incompetence. Ralston ended up being relieved as GM, then, shortly after, fired as coach. He was replaced by Fred Gehrke as general manager and Red Miller as coach, and the Broncos went to their first Super Bowl in the 1977 season. Five years later, when Dan Reeves was the coach (after replacing Miller), the Broncos missed the postseason for the third consecutive season (and had no playoff victories since the Super Bowl appearance). The first players' strike, of 57 days, caused the cancellation of seven games. The Broncos finished with a 2-7 record, their worst (percentage) effort in more than a decade. Along came John. http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_16738959

11-30-2010, 05:21 AM	#2
zdoor Jamaica Bound! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Templeton, Ca. Posts: 1,672	Go Woody...

11-30-2010, 05:28 AM	#3
Cmac821 Young Enthusiast I'm that young and you are that old Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Fort Collins Posts: 1,116 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Fox	Who is this John guy? I kid, I kid

11-30-2010, 05:33 AM	#4
Sassy Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Location: ND Posts: 37,952 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eddie Royal	listening to the ticket this am...said Pages source happened to be the owner of a restuarant that they met at in Cherry Creek.

11-30-2010, 05:34 AM	#5
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,037 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	John might not be qualified to be a "GM" but I wouldn't mind him in an advisory role.

11-30-2010, 05:57 AM	#11
strafen Karma Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 6,928 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elway	Wow, these people don't want to let go of McDaniels. Now they have the cohones to question Elway's credentials. Some freakin' people! I guarantee you, Elway is way more qualify and have more brains to do whatever the guy wants to do than McDaniels does... Fire McDaniels!

11-30-2010, 06:03 AM	#13
montrose Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 6,095 Adopt-a-Bronco: VP John Elway	Makes sense - especially considering the fondness Bowlen and Ellis seem to have for McD. It would take some pressure off Josh, especially if Elway's role becomes very visable. And although it's a much lower level of talent - Elway did build the roster that won the AFL title.

11-30-2010, 06:28 AM	#16
illbroncsfn Ring of Famer adopt a bronco- Barrel Man's Barrel Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Land o' Lincoln Posts: 3,993	#7 is always #1 in my heart- advisory role for the broncos- I'm ok w/that...... Bill Parcells for G.M. would be the best move. Forbes had an article discussing the marked fiscal value of each time he has worked for- Bowlen should read the article (assuming he still can as his faculties are obviously taking a beating....) and make the right call....

11-30-2010, 06:55 AM	#18
rugbythug Church Eyes. Salty Dog Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,787 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mr. Miller	I don't think most would like elway once he keeps mcd another year

11-30-2010, 06:55 AM	#19
errand Ring of Famer Forgot more than you'll ever know Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Western NC mountains Posts: 15,051	Typical orangemane...the answer to everything is Elway....or Shanahan. Doesn't Elway own an AFL franchise or two? Is he coaching them? the majority of good to great NFL coaches and front office people aren't former players. Fire the coach and hire Elway. Yeah, that makes sense. Just like the ** head that wanted Kubiak to replace McDaniels...the same guy you morons were bing about a few seasons ago...i recall half this site complaining about how predictable our offense was if we didn't score 24 or more in a game...and would be very vocal about how Kubiak sucked at playcalling. Now you morons want him back? **ing pathetic....

11-30-2010, 06:56 AM	#20
Rulon Velvet Jones You're not really here. Tight Butthole Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 6,597 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rent-A-DC	Fine. I'll post just enough to point out that a similar move worked for your beloved Texas Rangers when they brought Nolan Ryan into the front office. INSTANT respect among the players and potential free agents. I would say Ryan and Elway's business credentials were similar, but it's that respect factor and aura that makes the real difference. /back to lurking

11-30-2010, 07:08 AM	#21
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,869 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	John could be in charge of the drinking games

11-30-2010, 07:17 AM	#23
Beantown Bronco Athletic Supporter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 19,041 Adopt-a-Bronco: Matt Prater	Hopefully Bowlen would require him to dump that ex-Raiderette first.

11-30-2010, 07:19 AM	#24
footstepsfrom#27 helmet to helmet hitter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 16,117 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joe Mays	Just because a guy is successful on the field, or even in another business after jockdom, it doesn't mean he's a qualified candidate for an NFL GM's job. In any case, Elway's star couldn't possibly rise any higher in Denver than it already has, unless he won the governor's chair. Assuming he was offered the job...I don't think he will be...it's a risky move from a PR standpoint because if he fails at this, his stock goes down from where it is now. He doesn't need the money, doesn't seem to be driven to be in a job like this either. What incentive does he have to do this?

11-30-2010, 07:21 AM	#25
Mile High Shack Ring of Famer Cock-a-doodle-do Join Date: May 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 17,010	I'm worried about the Michael Jordan factor, great players don't always make great bosses in the sports world. I'm love #7 with all my heart, but I don't know if him being in the front office is the right move