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Old 11-28-2010, 05:28 PM   #1
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Default Kyle Orton's 2011 offseason Trade Value

Let's face it, Tim Tebow is our QB, for better or worse. With McDaniels ability to give QBs amazing stats (Brady's record year, Matt Cassell, Kyle Orton having another career year) why wait two years for Tebow?

With Orton putting up gaudy stats, we might as well get something for him now, instead of not re-signing him in a year and letting him walk. Get something of value for him.

My thinking is this:

The Titans are in a desperate need for a QB and if Jeff Fisher stays, he certainly doesn't want to groom another young QB. He is in Shanny's position from a couple of years back.

How about the Titan's 2nd and 3rd round pick in the 2011 draft for Orton?

Besides being team specific, I do believe Orton's value is a 2nd round pick at least. 3300 yards 20 tds, 6 ints 64% passing completion.

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Old 11-28-2010, 05:30 PM   #2
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Let's face it, Tim Tebow is our QB, for better or worse. .


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If the Titans read these boards they wouldn't offer Finnegan's boxing gloves for Orton.
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I'd put Ortons trade value around a 5th or 6th rounder. He's not young, nobody views him with franchise potential and he comes with a big salary attached.
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The Vikings, Titans, Dolphins, 49ers, Bills, and Cowboys... just to name a few teams I think would be interested in making a deal.
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Good quarterbacks are always in demand. But we always have the change to slap a franchise tag on him in 2011, and try a trade then. Given how wrong McDaniels often is - on the optimistic side - about players and readiness, if he says Tebow isn't ready - then I am sure as hell that Tebow ain't ready.
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Vikings, Titans, Dolphins, 49ers, Bills, and Cowboys

I think you have to pull the Dolphins, Bills and Cowboys off that list. The Bills can probably get Luck if they wanted - although Fitzgerald is doing well. The Boys have their boy wonder. The Dolphins might be interested, but they treat draft picks as gold, IIRC.
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I'd put Ortons trade value around a 5th or 6th rounder. He's not young, nobody views him with franchise potential and he comes with a big salary attached.
That's ****ing retarded right there.
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I'd put Ortons trade value around a 5th or 6th rounder. He's not young, nobody views him with franchise potential and he comes with a big salary attached.
But we signed him to a $9 million extension. Any QB worth $9 million/year must be able to fetch at least a 2nd rounder. Right?
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Vikings, Titans, Dolphins, 49ers, Bills, and Cowboys

I think you have to pull the Dolphins, Bills and Cowboys off that list. The Bills can probably get Luck if they wanted - although Fitzgerald is doing well. The Boys have their boy wonder. The Dolphins might be interested, but they treat draft picks as gold, IIRC.
The Cowboys are going to be blown up after this year. The Bills will certainly take a first round quarterback, but they could trade out of #1 for an avalanche of picks and obtain a quality vet in Orton plus Locker / Mallet. The Dolphins are going nowhere with Henne and Pennington is too fragile.
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I'd put Ortons trade value around a 5th or 6th rounder. He's not young, nobody views him with franchise potential and he comes with a big salary attached.
Thats crazy. You think that a 28 year old QB coming off a season with 4200 yards 25 tds and 10 ints has a 5th round draft value?

Wow
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Not as much as we think or we would like unless "The Coach's" brother gets a head coaching gig somewhere.

In that case, multiple first rounders!

Realistically, a mid to late 3rd would be in order.
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I'd put Ortons trade value around a 5th or 6th rounder. He's not young, nobody views him with franchise potential and he comes with a big salary attached.
You may not love him, but you are vastly undervaluing him. If you have a good running game and defense, he's a great QB to have. In Denver, he has to score touchdowns on every drive. And he's like 28...hardly old.
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Thats crazy. You think that a 28 year old QB coming off a season with 4200 yards 25 tds and 10 ints has a 5th round draft value?

Wow
Yep. Trade value is one of those things that most fans seem to really get wrong.
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Matt Cassell and his half season warranted a 2nd round pick. Matt Schaub warranted a 2nd round pick.

You don't think Mike Singletary (if he isn't fired, and a admitted big time fan of Ortons) wouldn't give his 2nd round pick for Orton?

Orton can easily net a 2nd.
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Orton is a solid quarterback who can significantly upgrade a team with a supporting cast. There are several teams that will pay a handsome reward for his services. I'm thinking the Vikings would be the perfect team.
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Yep. Trade value is one of those things that most fans seem to really get wrong.
And you are getting this one really wrong. Orton is really a victim of reputation he earned in his rookie year when he was forced into the starting line up WAY before he was ready. If you look at his last year as Chicagos QB, and his two seasons with Denver, he's been very efficient. Kyle Orton isnt perfect, he's not the kind of QB that will put you on his shoulders and win every game for you, but he's not the reason we are 3-8.
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Orton is a solid quarterback who can significantly upgrade a team with a supporting cast. There are several teams that will pay a handsome reward for his services. I'm thinking the Vikings would be the perfect team.
Unfortunately, McD would trade him and Orton would probably go win a Super Bowl with his new team.
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And you are getting this one really wrong. Orton is really a victim of reputation he earned in his rookie year when he was forced into the starting line up WAY before he was ready. If you look at his last year as Chicagos QB, and his two seasons with Denver, he's been very efficient. Kyle Orton isnt perfect, he's not the kind of QB that will put you on his shoulders and win every game for you, but he's not the reason we are 3-8.
You're looking at it from the sellers perspective, trade value is determined by the buyers perspective.
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You're looking at it from the sellers perspective, trade value is determined by the buyers perspective.
You think there are no teams looking for a starting QB in this league? We dont HAVE to trade Orton, you know. The board is just assuming it'll happen. Regardless, "5th or 6th" is just way too low.
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You're looking at it from the sellers perspective, trade value is determined by the buyers perspective.
Then Orton is worth a first to Mike Singletary and Jeff Fisher.

Just look at their situations. A 2nd round pick for an accomplished signal caller in this league is peanuts.
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I would be surprised if they get better than a third for him. He is 5-16 in his last 21 games, and has performed pathetically when they game depended on him. He is nothing more than an avg QB whose stats are nothing more than a reflection of the offense that favors QB stats. Even when Cutler was throwing interceptions at an alarming rate, had no running game, no defense, and lousy special teams (last year in Denver and first yr in Chicago) he managed to win 8 and 7 games. Orton can be good, but he would need far too much help to accomplish it, and teams are aware of this.
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You think there are no teams looking for a starting QB in this league? We dont HAVE to trade Orton, you know. The board is just assuming it'll happen. Regardless, "5th or 6th" is just way too low.
That's why you don't see a lot of QBs getting traded in this league. I don't see Orton getting traded.
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At best you are looking at late 3rd/early 4th. You have a guy coming out of system that made Cassel look extremely good and only has 1 one deal after this season. Most GM would rather take the risk on rookie QB then trade high draft choices for a vet that might be gone after his contract is up.
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At best you are looking at late 3rd/early 4th. You have a guy coming out of system that made Cassel look extremely good and only has 1 one deal after this season. Most GM would rather take the risk on rookie QB then trade high draft choices for a vet that might be gone after his contract is up.
Not really. It all depends on the situation. A coach with influence over the front office (like a Jack Del Rio or Jeff Fisher) would not push for a rookie QB over a proven vet like Orton.

They would be fired if they went rookie at QB, and they know it. You can only have so many mediocre seasons in the NFL before you get the ax.

A rookie coach takes a flier on a rookie qb because they know they have years to build around him. Ala a Jeff Schrawtz , Spagnolo, and Raheem Morris.

Orton's value is a high 2nd to some teams, and low fourth to others. Just depends on the situation.
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