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View Poll Results: In light of the acknowledgment of illegal videotaping- which is true?
McDaniels must have known- he is in charge, he hired the guy himself- This is just a coverup. 32 86.49%
McDaniels had no idea. He is a fawn in the woods. He has no control over his staff whatsoever. 5 13.51%
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Old 11-27-2010, 11:23 AM   #1
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In light of the allegations and acknowledgment of illegal videotaping that followed- which option do you find to be true?

McDaniels must have known- he is in charge, he hired the guy himself, and had him on the staff. Now they are trying to cover it up.

McDaniels had no idea. He is a fawn in the woods. He has no control over his staff whatsoever.
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In light of the allegations and acknowledgment of illegal videotaping that followed- which option do you find to be true?

McDaniels must have known- he is in charge, he hired the guy himself, and had him on the staff. Now they are trying to cover it up.

McDaniels had no idea. He is a fawn in the woods. He has no control over his staff whatsoever.

He did know. When the guy told him he did it.

Interesting contradiction in this post. McDanield knew what the film guy was doing, but has no idea what his staff is doing? Come on man. The NFL investigated it, found relatively little to hammer Denver for and they walked off with a 100k fine. Not ideal, but doubtfully goes any deeper than that.

Chill out.

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McDaniels was full aware the tape existed yet failed to report it. He is equally as guilty for that fact alone.
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He did know. When the guy told him he did it.

Interesting contradiction in this post. McDanield knew what the film guy was doing, but has no idea what his staff is doing? Come on man. The NFL investigated it, found relatively little to hammer Denver for and they walked off with a 100k fine. Not ideal, but doubtfully goes any deeper than that.

Chill out.

Ha- I had to make a Popps-inspired poll.

Bit tongue in cheek, and admittedly instigating to a degree- but the logic is not necessarily flawed.
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Old 11-27-2010, 11:29 AM   #5
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He did know. When the guy told him he did it.

Interesting contradiction in this post. McDanield knew what the film guy was doing, but has no idea what his staff is doing? Come on man. The NFL investigated it, found relatively little to hammer Denver for and they walked off with a 100k fine. Not ideal, but doubtfully goes any deeper than that.

Chill out.

you don't think that he knew beforehand? Is this not a possibility?

If he didn't know beforehand, he has no control over his staff. McDaniels of all people should know damn well what is and what is not allowable under league videotaping rules, no?
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you don't think that he knew beforehand? Is this not a possibility?

If he didn't know beforehand, he has no control over his staff. McDaniels of all people should know damn well what is and what is not allowable under league videotaping rules, no?

You assume that anyone working in any business has the same mindset as the people in charge or only act with direction from the top. We dont know what the film guy was thinking, but clearly he thought he could do this and it would be OK. The mistake here is McDaniels hiring the guy in the first place. In nearly two years one game is in question. If the NFL thought it was widespread or an egregious breaking of the rules, the team and McD would have had more levied on them then 100k in fines.

People **** up, obviously. The film guy thought he would be slick and film a walkthrough at a foreign site game.

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If he had nothing to do with it, and didn't watch it, if he's that clean, why when he was presented with the film did he not fire the guy immediately? It's not like he's hearing 3rd hand information that the guy might have taped the practice, the guy came to him offering him the film. Then why does it take 9 days later till the Broncos executives learn of it? Who brought it to their attention at that point? Why does it take almost a month later to fire the guy you know is guilty if it's just the film guy?

If I'm a boss and I hear an employee might be selling drugs in the parking lot on his lunch break, I would do an investigation into the alligations. If said employee approached me in the parking lot an offered me drugs, there would be no need for an investigation, he'd be fired on the spot.

McD should be extra sensitive to this having worked in New England. This is the straw.
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You assume that anyone working in any business has the same mindset as the people in charge or only act with direction from the top. We dont know what the film guy was thinking, but clearly he thought he could do this and it would be OK. The mistake here is McDaniels hiring the guy in the first place. In nearly two years one game is in question. If the NFL thought it was widespread or an egregious breaking of the rules, the team and McD would have had more levied on them then 100k in fines.

People **** up, obviously. The film guy thought he would be slick and film a walkthrough at a foreign site game.

You are extrapolating the second poll option- McDaniels should have a better handle on his employees, especially ones in such sensitive positions.
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If he had nothing to do with it, and didn't watch it, if he's that clean, why when he was presented with the film did he not fire the guy immediately? It's not like he's hearing 3rd hand information that the guy might have taped the practice, the guy came to him offering him the film. Then why does it take 9 days later till the Broncos executives learn of it? Who brought it to their attention at that point? Why does it take almost a month later to fire the guy you know is guilty if it's just the film guy?

If I'm a boss and I hear an employee might be selling drugs in the parking lot on his lunch break, I would do an investigation into the alligations. If said employee approached me in the parking lot an offered me drugs, there would be no need for an investigation, he'd be fired on the spot.

McD should be extra sensitive to this having worked in New England. This is the straw.
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Why does everyone keep saying he hired him? Does Head Coach hire guys for the video department? Did he also hire the Janitor?
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You are extrapolating the second poll option- McDaniels should have a better handle on his employees, especially ones in such sensitive positions.

I dont think control is the problem. People at times are as hard to control as a gaggle of cats. It is more likely that the story as suggested by the Broncos and the NFL is what happened. All of the rest of this is speculation in part because alot of people do not like McDaniels.

If McD had more to do with it, I'd be done with the guy. As it turns out, he didnt. The NFL brought in forensic specialists to check out Broncos hard drives. If it was more involved then a single employee pulling out his ****tard card, the team would have faced stiffer penalties.

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No. If this poll was serious it would have more than two options, not just "he's a cheat"! "Or he's an idiot!". What is this bringing to the message board other than a usually reasonable poster who dislikes the coach (given our on the field performances this is understandable) is coming across as an ignorant and childish troll?
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I dont think control is the problem. People at times are as hard to control as a gaggle of cats. It is more likely that the story as suggested by the Broncos and the NFL is what happened. All of the rest of this is speculation in part because alot of people do not like McDaniels.

If McD had more to do with it, I'd be done with the guy. As it turns out, he didnt. The NFL brought in forensic specialists to check out Broncos hard drives. If it was more involved then a single employee pulling out his ****tard card, the team would have faced stiffer penalties.

You have to also take into consideration that a lot of money exchanges hands via betting on this league, and it accounts for a good portion of the popularity of the league.

It's in the leagues', and therefore Goodells' best interest to keep things like this quiet and out of the spotlight.

Same reason the Pats ****up was swept under the rug, and the tapes were mysteriously erased.
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Old 11-27-2010, 11:49 AM   #17
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No. If this poll was serious it would have more than two options, not just "he's a cheat"! "Or he's an idiot!". What is this bringing to the message board other than a usually reasonable poster who dislikes the coach (given our on the field performances this is understandable) is coming across as an ignorant and childish troll?
I admit, I was inspired by Popps.

It could be worded any number of ways- but I stand by the sentiment.

what other options would you have liked?
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Why does everyone keep saying he hired him? Does Head Coach hire guys for the video department? Did he also hire the Janitor?
Because he hired him that's why they keep saying it
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Because he hired him that's why they keep saying it
I'm going to need that in writing. I haven't seen the article, so I'll look it up.
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I'm going to need that in writing. I haven't seen the article, so I'll look it up.
He is on the Broncos staff. McDaniels hired the staff.

A+B=C.
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I'm going to need that in writing. I haven't seen the article, so I'll look it up.
He came from the Pats, while I'm not 100% that Josh personally brought him in, I'm 99.9% sure.
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The funny thing is that after all of these mistakes, I find myself feeling sorry for McDaniels- his hubris got him into this position, and he is 100% to blame- but I am also at the point where I would like for it to end, for McDaniels to finally lose the negative aspects of his ego, and to put it all together in the form of fielding a competent football team. He stands to learn an awful lot from his mistakes, and somewhere underneath the debris from all of these terrible decisions stands a good coach with something to offer the league.

Would make for one hell of a comeback story, and America loves a good comeback story.
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The funny thing is that after all of these mistakes, I find myself feeling sorry for McDaniels- his hubris got him into this position, and he is 100% to blame- but I am also at the point where I would like for it to end, for McDaniels to finally lose the negative aspects of his ego, and to put it all together in the form of fielding a competent football team. He stands to learn an awful lot from his mistakes, and somewhere underneath the debris from all of these terrible decisions stands a good coach with something to offer the league.

Would make for one hell of a comeback story, and America loves a good comeback story.

I will laugh my ass off if the Broncos are 7-3 at this point next season. NFL is wierd like that.

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I will laugh my ass off if the Broncos are 7-3 at this point next season. NFL is wierd like that.

He has been humbled enough where I could see it being fun and positive to root for.

Trade Orton for a few picks to the Vikings or Dolphins, let Tebow run the team. Figure out a way to deal with personalities and egos going forward in a more positive fashion. Give us a god damned running game again.

I could get behind that.
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