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Old 11-27-2010, 10:04 AM   #1
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Team has already issued Press Releases. Team and McD fined. Josh didn't view tape but didn't report until after getting back from London. Video guy fired. Broncos self reported the incident.

Take it for what its worth hard to trust McD with his ties to the Pats but given the fine the league must believe those are the facts.
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Team has already issued Press Releases. Team and McD fined. Josh didn't view tape but didn't report until after getting back from London. Video guy fired. Broncos self reported the incident.

Take it for what its worth hard to trust McD with his ties to the Pats but given the fine the league must believe those are the facts.
The fine is much lower than Spygate and the team self reported the incident.
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The fine is much lower than Spygate and the team self reported the incident.
I know that's what I said in my last sentence.
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Old 11-27-2010, 10:23 AM   #7
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The language from Ellis is going to be really interesting. He had a opportunity earlier to publicly back McDaniels and did not do so.
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Old 11-27-2010, 10:26 AM   #8
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This is a massive victory if this is the end of the story.

I mean, ****ty story... bummer for PR, but thank god we didn't lose picks, etc.

Thank god the team reported this.
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Old 11-27-2010, 10:28 AM   #9
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Cover up.
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Old 11-27-2010, 10:36 AM   #10
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Nah you don't self report when you cover up.
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This is a massive victory if this is the end of the story.

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If this is your definition of victory, then you have a lot in common with the German Generaly at the battle of Stalingrad, The Japanese Navy after 1942, and Baghdad Bob.

This is like being happy that we put our arm in a woodchipper, but only lost a few fingers and a wedding ring. It's yet another slime on our face.
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Nah you don't self report when you cover up.
McDaniels didn't report himself, thus the fine. Bowlen reported his team and that why we are getting off easy, if nothing else surfaces.
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McDaniels didn't report himself, thus the fine. Bowlen reported his team and that why we are getting off easy, if nothing else surfaces.
Reading is fundamental. Nowhere did they say he didn't report himself. He got fined for not reporting himself soon enough. A cover up would have been him never reporting himself. Again reading is fundamental.
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Reading is fundamental. Nowhere did they say he didn't report himself. He got fined for not reporting himself soon enough. A cover up would have been him never reporting himself. Again reading is fundamental.
Actually, according to PFT, he didn't report it to the NFL. He reported it to the FO, who then reported it to the NFL.

That's the problem, because it leaves the possibility that someone in the front office who was associated with this behavior could have covered themselves, plus it could give time for McDaniels to come up with a defense or a cover-up.

Not that I think it happened, but let's be clear about the reported events.
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Nah you don't self report when you cover up.
You do if you think that you're already being investigated by the NFL or San Fran.

Univ. Of Arizona pretty much did it to save the basketball program at the end of Lute Olsen's tenure. He had the begining stages of dementia though. Maybe they could argue Mcd has the same problem.

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Actually, according to PFT, he didn't report it to the NFL. He reported it to the FO, who then reported it to the NFL.

That's the problem, because it leaves the possibility that someone in the front office who was associated with this behavior could have covered themselves, plus it could give time for McDaniels to come up with a defense or a cover-up.

Not that I think it happened, but let's be clear about the reported events.
Well he reported it to his superiors who then reported it to the league. A cover up would have been him NEVER reporting it. The fact that he didn't do it promptly got it fined.

But lets not say he didn't report it because that isn't facts as well.

Look I don't like it and I don't like how it looks. I am not defending Josh I am just saying don't try to spin it and say he tried to cover it up.
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You do if you think that you're already being investigated by the NFL or San Fran.
Ah the old fess up before you are outed. Well the investigation didn't begin until Josh told the F.O. and they told the league. Which Goodell even states in his letter. So that kills that argument.

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"After conducting an internal review, team executives contacted the NFL office on November 12 and requested a meeting to report the apparent violation. On the morning of November 16, Broncos executives, including owner Pat Bowlen, met with NFL staff in New York to disclose Mr. Scarnecchia’s actions."

"Based on the report, NFL Security promptly began an investigation, which included interviews of Broncos personnel in Denver on November 18 and 19. In addition, they arranged for a forensic analysis of the laptop computers used by the video department, which confirmed that the Saturday practice had been recorded. NFL Security has retained the tape."
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Well he reported it to his superiors who then reported it to the league. A cover up would have been him NEVER reporting it. The fact that he didn't do it promptly got it fined.
You are not listening. Or Not reading. Or not understanding.

The problem is he didn't report it to the correct authority. And he even delayed reporting it to the FO until after they returned. That two strikes right there. Luckily, he doesn't appear to have made a third swing.

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Look I don't like it and I don't like how it looks. I am not defending Josh I am just saying don't try to spin it and say he tried to cover it up.
That's true, but his inept actions made it so that the Broncos were left with slime on their face.
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Ah the old fess up before you are outed. Well the investigation didn't begin until Josh told the F.O. and they told the league. Which Goodell even states in his letter. So that kills that argument.
Relax. I'm just breaking balls. But it's hard to believe some low level guy would risk losing his job over this. Or that he didn't learn on day one the rules on filming other teams if he his whole life and job revolves around filming football. I just don't believe that could possibly be true.
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I have no idea what happens, nor does anyone. What I'm sure of is... people are going to use this story for whatever purposes they need.

The bottom line is, thankfully... it's over and we move on. It's about 1% as bad as it could have been.

A few wins and this is a non-story.
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Doesnt sound like it.

Just a fine.

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Is there still a chance they will lose picks?
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I doubt it. They would have announced it the same time they announced the fines.

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Relax. I'm just breaking balls. But it's hard to believe some low level guy would risk losing his job over this. Or that he didn't learn on day one the rules on filming other teams if he his whole life and job revolves around filming football. I just don't believe that could possibly be true.
Sorry that wasn't meant to be so defensive. I just am trying to look at it as objectively as possible. Its hard to do that as McD has a track record of suck but it seems to me that the team handled this about as well as possible.

My bad for being so serious!
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