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Old 11-23-2010, 12:37 PM   #1
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We Can't Fire Josh McDaniels with out a solid plan. We need a sure thing. A one step to glory coach that can take our Pieces and Make it whole.

Steps- We need a GM. Someone who can come in and command respect. At this point we can do it with or with out McDaniels getting the Axe. He has no leverage and knows it.
  1. Bill Parcells
  2. Dan Reeves
  3. some one from either the Ravens or Steelers Front Offices

Our Next Hire needs to be a 3/4 guy. Our Healthy Defense could be good better to keep the pieces than blow it up and start over yet again. Best Case scenario would be to pick up Wade Phillips as D Coordinator. He gets it done on D. And at this point I don't think he would ever want to be a Head Coach again.

Both of these steps could be done with McDaniels Keeping his job and not require us to have 3 coaches on Payroll. With this done perhaps we could get competitive.

Basically like the Browns Template. Gives us a little more time to find the right guy, or let McD Grow up.
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Old 11-23-2010, 12:47 PM   #2
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We Can't Fire Josh McDaniels with out a solid plan. We need a sure thing. A one step to glory coach that can take our Pieces and Make it whole.

Steps- We need a GM. Someone who can come in and command respect. At this point we can do it with or with out McDaniels getting the Axe. He has no leverage and knows it.
  1. Bill Parcells
  2. Dan Reeves
  3. some one from either the Ravens or Steelers Front Offices

Our Next Hire needs to be a 3/4 guy. Our Healthy Defense could be good better to keep the pieces than blow it up and start over yet again. Best Case scenario would be to pick up Wade Phillips as D Coordinator. He gets it done on D. And at this point I don't think he would ever want to be a Head Coach again.

Both of these steps could be done with McDaniels Keeping his job and not require us to have 3 coaches on Payroll. With this done perhaps we could get competitive.

Basically like the Browns Template. Gives us a little more time to find the right guy, or let McD Grow up.
McDaniels isn't going to share power with anyone. What makes you think any of those guys will be his doormat? Remember Nolan?

There's a reason this coaching staff is made up of "no names" and baby brothers.
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Old 11-23-2010, 12:50 PM   #3
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McDaniels isn't going to share power with anyone. What makes you think any of those guys will be his doormat? Remember Nolan?

There's a reason this coaching staff is made up of "no names" and baby brothers.
Leverage- He has none
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Old 11-23-2010, 12:51 PM   #4
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So what you're really saying is that this is "The Solution" to the problem. You know, "Xanders and Ellis must go, but not Josh"

Is that correct?

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Old 11-23-2010, 12:54 PM   #5
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Parcells is done. He is stepping outta his role in Miami.

But without a doubt, we need a GM that recognizes talent and brings it in here on a consistent basis. I would say we need to make a move at the GM position more than coach, QB, or any other position on the field. In fact, bringing in a sound GM would mean more success in 3/4 years than replacing any number of coaches and players.
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Old 11-23-2010, 01:05 PM   #6
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McDaniels isn't going to share power with anyone. What makes you think any of those guys will be his doormat? Remember Nolan?

There's a reason this coaching staff is made up of "no names" and baby brothers.
Cool then he could quit and we don't have to pay him.
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Old 11-23-2010, 01:16 PM   #7
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How about Marty Schottenheimer as GM? And if it doesn't work out with McD they bring in his son Brian?
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We Can't Fire Josh McDaniels with out a solid plan. We need a sure thing. A one step to glory coach that can take our Pieces and Make it whole.

Steps- We need a GM. Someone who can come in and command respect. At this point we can do it with or with out McDaniels getting the Axe. He has no leverage and knows it.
  1. Bill Parcells
  2. Dan Reeves
  3. some one from either the Ravens or Steelers Front Offices

Our Next Hire needs to be a 3/4 guy. Our Healthy Defense could be good better to keep the pieces than blow it up and start over yet again. Best Case scenario would be to pick up Wade Phillips as D Coordinator. He gets it done on D. And at this point I don't think he would ever want to be a Head Coach again.

Both of these steps could be done with McDaniels Keeping his job and not require us to have 3 coaches on Payroll. With this done perhaps we could get competitive.

Basically like the Browns Template. Gives us a little more time to find the right guy, or let McD Grow up.
You lost me at Dan Reeves
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Old 11-23-2010, 01:22 PM   #9
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Steps- We need a GM. Someone who can come in and command respect. At this point we can do it with or with out McDaniels getting the Axe. He has no leverage and knows it.
This is what I would like to see. Hiring a proven GM, or a proven football guy would help. I prefer they get a guy that is seasoned in both GM and head coach.

I think Josh will ultimatly be a good HC, but I think a mentor would be helpful.
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I prefer they get a guy that is seasoned in both GM and head coach.
See post #7. Never a GM but lots of NFL experience.
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Old 11-23-2010, 01:26 PM   #11
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McDaniels isn't going to share power with anyone. What makes you think any of those guys will be his doormat? Remember Nolan?

There's a reason this coaching staff is made up of "no names" and baby brothers.
Another reason we are 3-7..............
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See post #7. Never a GM but lots of NFL experience.
I saw that and have mixed feelings. I think he is a great coach (during the season) and his teams are tough.

Did he make many player personel decisions in his coaching?
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Did he make many player personel decisions in his coaching?
I wondered the same. Did some quick googling and couldn't find anything definitive. We need to hear from some people in San Diego, D.C., and/or KC on this. Either way I'd think with his experience he'd have lots of connections and could bring in good personnel people to the extent necessary.
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Old 11-23-2010, 01:43 PM   #14
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Found this on an article from last year (I think) on the best NFL GM's.

When it comes to keeping an NFL team on top, the basic formula is simple, according to Indianapolis Colts President and General Manager Bill Polian.

"You get people who are smart, tough, with strong work ethics," he says. "And you want those who feel that football is important to them." The Colts, Super Bowl champions in 2006-2007, are 39-9 over the past three years despite a payroll that was the fifth-lowest in the NFL over that span. That makes Polian the NFL's top general manager by a landslide.

While drafting high-quality tough guys is always good, there's also the matter of navigating the league salary cap, making the loss of key players inevitable. "The system is designed to weaken good teams," Polian says. To compensate, he sticks to a few simple guidelines: Prioritize at quarterback, corner, offensive tackle and pass rusher, on the grounds that running backs, offensive guards and receivers are more replaceable.

http://www.forbes.com/2010/08/24/foo...-managers.html

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Sure we can fire Josh. But I don't think we will. And I agree, a strong presence in the front office, a preferably veteran presence, would go a long way toward helping the team self-evaluate better.

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McDaniels isn't going to share power with anyone. What makes you think any of those guys will be his doormat? Remember Nolan?
Then if he won't share power he can resign or be fired for insubordination and we're off the hook for his contract and can look elsewhere. I think Josh could be convinced to work with a GM. I think deep down Josh is a coach and would prefer to focus on just that.
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Sure we can fire Josh. But I don't think we will. And I agree, a strong presence in the front office, a preferably veteran presence, would go a long way toward helping the team self-evaluate better.


Then if he won't share power he can resign or be fired for insubordination and we're off the hook for his contract and can look elsewhere. I think Josh could be convinced to work with a GM. I think deep down Josh is a coach and would prefer to focus on just that.
They should hire you because of all your great training camp reports.
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Found this on an article from last year (I think) on the best NFL GM's.

When it comes to keeping an NFL team on top, the basic formula is simple, according to Indianapolis Colts President and General Manager Bill Polian.

"You get people who are smart, tough, with strong work ethics," he says. "And you want those who feel that football is important to them." The Colts, Super Bowl champions in 2006-2007, are 39-9 over the past three years despite a payroll that was the fifth-lowest in the NFL over that span. That makes Polian the NFL's top general manager by a landslide.

While drafting high-quality tough guys is always good, there's also the matter of navigating the league salary cap, making the loss of key players inevitable. "The system is designed to weaken good teams," Polian says. To compensate, he sticks to a few simple guidelines: Prioritize at quarterback, corner, offensive tackle and pass rusher, on the grounds that running backs, offensive guards and receivers are more replaceable.

http://www.forbes.com/2010/08/24/foo...-managers.html
In other words draft a hall of fame QB and you will look like a genius.
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They should hire you because of all your great training camp reports.
Yeah that's what we need! More reports! I've yet to see one of my reports sack or even hurry Phillip Rivers.
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It's just so hard for me to pin what's happening purely on talent evaluation.

So many things happened in last night's game that were just purely stupid player errors.
Dawkins, who I love... just whiffing on a tackle. Old or not, he was right there. I still can't wrap my head around what happened there. Or, McBean face-masking yet again. I mean... is that the coach's fault? The guys in the front office?

I will say we need much more talent on defense, but it's a work in progress... and we're missing our two biggest pass-rush weapons. That takes its toll, folks.

It's tough to evaluate Matindale, either... considering he's playing without Doom and Ayers.

We just need more talent.


Remember how we looked last week? I think that's a sneak-peek at what this team could turn into with a few solid moves and some growth from some of the young players. But, it's going to take time.
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I think he would be a very good hire.
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Yeah that's what we need! More reports! I've yet to see one of my reports sack or even hurry Phillip Rivers.
In that respect your reports have a lot of similatiries to our defensive front...
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It's just so hard for me to pin what's happening purely on talent evaluation.

So many things happened in last night's game that were just purely stupid player errors.
Dawkins, who I love... just whiffing on a tackle. Old or not, he was right there. I still can't wrap my head around what happened there. Or, McBean face-masking yet again. I mean... is that the coach's fault? The guys in the front office?

I will say we need much more talent on defense, but it's a work in progress... and we're missing our two biggest pass-rush weapons. That takes its toll, folks.

It's tough to evaluate Matindale, either... considering he's playing without Doom and Ayers.

We just need more talent.


Remember how we looked last week? I think that's a sneak-peek at what this team could turn into with a few solid moves and some growth from some of the young players. But, it's going to take time.
Look at where this team were before the season started, would you have said the group of Royal, Gaffney and Lloyd were one of the most talented groups of recievers in the league? neither one ever had a 1000 yard season before Lloyd reached that mark yesterday, yet look at where they are now. Go back a few years, look at how Clady, Harris, Wiegman et al went from being a porous line with serious questions to being one of the best in the league. It is true that talent is important, it is true that the coaches are not out there making stupid mistakes, but it is equally true that a really good coach can make a huge difference.

When I looked at the rush offense before the Chiefs game, what I saw was bad coaching and bad execution, the blocks were not good enough, the runners didn't run hard enough and the playcalling wasn't good. After getting Harris and Moreno back, the talent is getting there, the playcalling is improving too and the unit isn't so bad, especially if more rushes were called.

On defense, I am seeing a poorly coached unit that lacks talent. I see a soft zone with only 3 rushers called on a 3rd and 8 at the goal line and I think, why would you that? If you don't think Rivers can find one of this 5 possible targets given enough time you are mad. I would understand that call if the QB was bad, if it was Gradkowski maybe, but not Rivers, he will hit his guy when you give him that time. The way we beat him last year was by hurrying him all day.

Right now, the defense needs a talent infusion and a DC who knows the job, someone with experience. The defensive line is not getting push consistently and that is a talent thing but also a lack of calling plays to suit the players, last year we stunted a lot and used slants and other moves, this year it is much more simplified. The safeties are not playing well this year, but we are also calling a lot of cover 1 requiring Hill to be 15 yards behind any play, meaning he is going to be left to do mop up duty a few times but other than that is irrelevant. Why not try to go more 2-deep safeties and let them play the pass more aggressively? this 1 deep is not working well.
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I want to see what this group of coaches/gm can do with the rest of this year and next year.

They WILL make mistakes and HAVE MADE mistakes.

But it looks like a complete re-build and that takes some time.

While watching the game last night, it looked like Denver wasn't horribly that far off on offense. Spencer missed Phillips on a few sacks, and the playcalling was a tad spastic. I haven't like the Tebow playcalls that much. I'm still not really sure what he brings to the table yet. I still think we should make him a MLB. It would be an NFL first (why wouldn't a former QB know more about how to attack an offense?). Anyways.....blah blah blah...is it 5 yet?
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