The Koreas Are Going At It - The Orange Mane

Rohirrim · 11-23-2010, 08:55 AM

This looks like fun:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40329269...s-asiapacific/

I was listening to the radio this AM, some Korean expert in Pusan. He says this it the worst skirmish since the end of the Korean War. Having spent some time on the DMZ in Korea, I doubt my old pals in the infantry on hilltops Oullette and Collier are feeling too comfortable right now. I remember our general once told us, "If the North attacks, we will suffer over 90% casualties. The rest will be on stateside leave." Not a pretty picture.

If the Koreas start going at it seriously, I don't see any way the U.S. stays out of it. We're not going to stand by while the North obliterates Seoul. Not to mention Camp Casey and our troops North of the Imjin River.

Mr.Meanie · 11-23-2010, 09:15 AM

I am scheduled to fly to Seoul for business on Dec 4th. I am seriously rethinking now. Is there anyone here familiar with the area that would have any idea how serious this is?

Rohirrim · 11-23-2010, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Meanie

I am scheduled to fly to Seoul for business on Dec 4th. I am seriously rethinking now. Is there anyone here familiar with the area that would have any idea how serious this is?

I figure we'll know how far this is going by this weekend. This is the worst clash they've had since the war, over 60 years. Definitely some serious ****. If there is a high civilian casualty count from the North's artillery strike, I'm thinking the people of the South will demand a counter attack.

Mr.Meanie · 11-23-2010, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I figure we'll know how far this is going by this weekend. This is the worst clash they've had since the war, over 60 years. Definitely some serious ****.

Agreed. Some of the reports seem to say this is a lot of blustering, and both have too much to lose to escalate into full scale war... but who really knows. I'll be watching closely the next few weeks

TailgateNut · 11-23-2010, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Meanie

I am scheduled to fly to Seoul for business on Dec 4th. I am seriously rethinking now. Is there anyone here familiar with the area that would have any idea how serious this is?

Don't be a Puss. Our guys are on the job.

The boys stationed in Tongduchon know what to do if it starts getting hairy.

Obushma · 11-23-2010, 09:29 AM

Doesn't look good, Chinese torpedo downs South Korean ship in the yellow sea killing 46 in March, now this. Guess the North and South are having a territory dispute over who owns the island where the the incident occurred.

Anyone heard anything from China?

TailgateNut · 11-23-2010, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ThyNatural

Doesn't look good, Chinese torpedo downs South Korean ship in the yellow sea killing 46 in March, now this.

Anyone heard anything from China?

Just go crawl in a hole and we'll send you a card when it's all over.

Obushma · 11-23-2010, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

Just go crawl in a hole and we'll send you a card when it's all over.

You want me to wheel you to the battlefield

Mr.Meanie · 11-23-2010, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

Don't be a Puss. Our guys are on the job.

The boys stationed in Tongduchon know what to do if it starts getting hairy.

TailgateNut · 11-23-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ThyNatural

You want me to wheel you to the battlefield

No, I wouldn't want you to piss in your panties when we got within a thousand miles of the action.

NUB · 11-23-2010, 10:45 AM

It is significantly more serious than past skirmishes. I'd like to think it would be a kick in the butt for China, who is North Korea's sole outlet to the world, but it probably wont be. South Korea can't react militarily because war would be a total disaster politically, militarily and of course, economically.

Rohirrim · 11-23-2010, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by NUB

It is significantly more serious than past skirmishes. I'd like to think it would be a kick in the butt for China, who is North Korea's sole outlet to the world, but it probably wont be. South Korea can't react militarily because war would be a total disaster politically, militarily and of course, economically.

On the other hand, how long can a sovereign nation just sit on its hands while its neighbor occasionally sinks one of its vessels or fires artillery into a town, killing civilians? At some point, you have to say, "Enough!"

NUB · 11-23-2010, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

On the other hand, how long can a sovereign nation just sit on its hands while its neighbor occasionally sinks one of its vessels or fires artillery into a town, killing civilians? At some point, you have to say, "Enough!"

Given that Seoul could be leveled in the first day of conflict, the answer is quite awhile. I have a hard time believing South Korea will do anything until the U.S. gives them some sort of greenlight and with us being knee deep in the Middle-East and South Asia that seems unlikely to happen anytime soon.

epicSocialism4tw · 11-23-2010, 11:27 AM

My grandfather got a purple heart and a lifetime of alcoholism liberating those people.

Its time for Obama to grow a pair and start dictating terms to that dying clown. He has already been run over by Iran.

Mile High Shack · 11-23-2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by McSkillet

My grandfather got a purple heart and a lifetime of alcoholism liberating those people.

Its time for Obama to grow a pair and start dictating terms to that dying clown. He has already been run over by Iran.

for F's sake dude, really? Now you have Obama turrettes too?

If you are going to bring up him, why not bring up every president since the 1960's since nothing has been done about it since then really.

and wtf did Bush 2 do against Iran? really? c'mon "man up" You have been listening to Palin too long

epicSocialism4tw · 11-23-2010, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

for F's sake dude, really? Now you have Obama turrettes too?

If you are going to bring up him, why not bring up every president since the 1960's since nothing has been done about it since then really.

Obama is presented with this problem now.

Quit trying to deflect and spin like a whiny little girl who's in trouble with her parents.

It sounds like you need to grow a set too.

Mile High Shack · 11-23-2010, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by McSkillet

Obama is presented with this problem now.

Quit trying to deflect and spin like a whiny little girl who's in trouble with her parents.

It sounds like you need to grow a set too.

No, but to but it all on the current administration is pretty funny, obviously it needs to be "dealt" with, but it's not as easy as "manning up"

The world isn't black and white my friend, there are shades of gray.

If you are wanting us to "man up" and counter attack, then I hope you are ok with millions of people losing their life in Asia from a Nuke, b/c North Korea will launch one, they don't give a ****.

Things are much more complicated than "manning up"

The world is so simple when you look through the intellect of a child like Palin.

Man up indeed.

epicSocialism4tw · 11-23-2010, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

No, but to but it all on the current administration is pretty funny, obviously it needs to be "dealt" with, but it's not as easy as "manning up"

The world isn't black and white my friend, there are shades of gray.

If you are wanting us to "man up" and counter attack, then I hope you are ok with millions of people losing their life in Asia from a Nuke, b/c North Korea will launch one, they don't give a ****.

Things are much more complicated than "manning up"

The world is so simple when you look through the intellect of a child like Palin.

Man up indeed.

I found something you're good at: ridiculous assumptions.

Mile High Shack · 11-23-2010, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by McSkillet

I found something you're good at: ridiculous assumptions.

maybe I should just "grow a pair" huh

Rohirrim · 11-23-2010, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NUB

Given that Seoul could be leveled in the first day of conflict, the answer is quite awhile. I have a hard time believing South Korea will do anything until the U.S. gives them some sort of greenlight and with us being knee deep in the Middle-East and South Asia that seems unlikely to happen anytime soon.

I wonder if China wouldn't be just as happy to see NKorea go away? For good? They spend a lot of time and effort patrolling the border to stop refugees. NK's constant belligerence is bad for business - and the Chinese are very much into business these days - with a population like their's, they can't afford a disruption in trade. I really wonder how much NK can depend on China to back them up?

Rohirrim · 11-23-2010, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

maybe I should just "grow a pair" huh

Mile High Shack · 11-23-2010, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I wonder if China wouldn't be just as happy to see NKorea go away? For good? They spend a lot of time and effort patrolling the border to stop refugees. NK's constant belligerence is bad for business - and the Chinese are very much into business these days - with a population like their's, they can't afford a disruption in trade. I really wonder how much NK can depend on China to back them up?

see, now this is a thought I didn't think of

but China is pretty prideful, I can't imagine them just letting them go that easy, with all they have invested in them

NUB · 11-23-2010, 11:50 AM

North Korea is a strong business partner for China and their economic relationship has only grown stronger these past years. China would not back up North Korea in a war, but at the same time it wouldn't necessarily stop it either.

Rohirrim · 11-23-2010, 11:56 AM

China is kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, they probably aren't wild about the idea of a U.S. influenced, united Korea on their border, but on the other hand, North Korea is bat **** crazy. Who knows? They might be at the point where they would prefer a peaceful, united Korea as a trading partner. After all, North Korea as it stands right now is a drag on China. They can't feed themselves. Their totalitarian business model is pathetic. They are basically a Chinese welfare state.

epicSocialism4tw · 11-23-2010, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

maybe I should just "grow a pair" huh

Yes. You should.

You've neither a brain nor balls.

If I was to classify you in a cladogram, I would put you somewhere near Fuligo septica.

11-23-2010, 08:55 AM	#1
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,840	The Koreas Are Going At It This looks like fun: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40329269...s-asiapacific/ I was listening to the radio this AM, some Korean expert in Pusan. He says this it the worst skirmish since the end of the Korean War. Having spent some time on the DMZ in Korea, I doubt my old pals in the infantry on hilltops Oullette and Collier are feeling too comfortable right now. I remember our general once told us, "If the North attacks, we will suffer over 90% casualties. The rest will be on stateside leave." Not a pretty picture. If the Koreas start going at it seriously, I don't see any way the U.S. stays out of it. We're not going to stand by while the North obliterates Seoul. Not to mention Camp Casey and our troops North of the Imjin River.

11-23-2010, 09:29 AM	#6
Obushma Ring of Famer Bring your lunch pail Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: SLC Utah Posts: 2,079 Adopt-a-Bronco: Zane Beadles	Doesn't look good, Chinese torpedo downs South Korean ship in the yellow sea killing 46 in March, now this. Guess the North and South are having a territory dispute over who owns the island where the the incident occurred. Anyone heard anything from China? Last edited by Obushma; 11-23-2010 at 09:31 AM..

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11-23-2010, 09:15 AM	#2
Mr.Meanie Ring of Famer Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,590 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I am scheduled to fly to Seoul for business on Dec 4th. I am seriously rethinking now. Is there anyone here familiar with the area that would have any idea how serious this is?

11-23-2010, 10:45 AM	#11
NUB Just Crafted New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,448 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	It is significantly more serious than past skirmishes. I'd like to think it would be a kick in the butt for China, who is North Korea's sole outlet to the world, but it probably wont be. South Korea can't react militarily because war would be a total disaster politically, militarily and of course, economically.

11-23-2010, 11:27 AM	#14
epicSocialism4tw Tebowing the long haul all the way to the title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX, USA Posts: 37,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	My grandfather got a purple heart and a lifetime of alcoholism liberating those people. Its time for Obama to grow a pair and start dictating terms to that dying clown. He has already been run over by Iran.

11-23-2010, 11:50 AM	#23
NUB Just Crafted New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,448 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	North Korea is a strong business partner for China and their economic relationship has only grown stronger these past years. China would not back up North Korea in a war, but at the same time it wouldn't necessarily stop it either.

11-23-2010, 11:56 AM	#24
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,840	China is kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, they probably aren't wild about the idea of a U.S. influenced, united Korea on their border, but on the other hand, North Korea is bat **** crazy. Who knows? They might be at the point where they would prefer a peaceful, united Korea as a trading partner. After all, North Korea as it stands right now is a drag on China. They can't feed themselves. Their totalitarian business model is pathetic. They are basically a Chinese welfare state.