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Old 11-06-2010, 11:36 AM   #1
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Potential NFL Lock-Out and College Juniors

Some Questions?

1. What's the real chance of an NFL lock-out?

2. Will there still be a draft even if there is a lock-out?

3. Will the lock-out happen before Juniors declare for the draft?

4. Should a a Junior take the risk and declare?

5. Can he change his mind or is the option to return off the table once he has contact with an agent?

6. What happens to a player if he sets out a year?
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Old 11-06-2010, 12:01 PM   #2
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Potential NFL Lock-Out and College Juniors

Some Questions?

1. What's the real chance of an NFL lock-out?

2. Will there still be a draft even if there is a lock-out?
Yes.
3. Will the lock-out happen before Juniors declare for the draft?
No.
4. Should a a Junior take the risk and declare?

5. Can he change his mind or is the option to return off the table once he has contact with an agent?

6. What happens to a player if he sets out a year?
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Old 11-06-2010, 12:20 PM   #3
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Potential NFL Lock-Out and College Juniors

Some Questions?

1. What's the real chance of an NFL lock-out?

2. Will there still be a draft even if there is a lock-out?

3. Will the lock-out happen before Juniors declare for the draft?

4. Should a a Junior take the risk and declare?

5. Can he change his mind or is the option to return off the table once he has contact with an agent?

6. What happens to a player if he sets out a year?
1. Impossible to tell, even the owners don't know currently. There will only be a lockout if the players do not decertify the union and go on strike, if the players decertify there will be no lockout and if a deal is reached or the players do not strike there will be no lockout.

2. Yes as said before.

3. No, and it would have no effect anyway.

4. Depends on when they will be drafted, being that there is a probability of a rookie wage scale in the next CBA and the only way to get around that would be to hope for the union to decertify, get drafted and sign a contract. If the union doesn't decertify, the new CBA will govern any rookie deals from 2011 draft forward.

5. Just like any other year, a player can opt out of the draft as long as the player has not signed on with any representation and the player can usually do it up till about a week after the deadline for signing up for the draft.

6. Do you mean a current NFL player or a current college player?
Current NFL players who sit out a year do not get credit for that year, so whatever their contract situation at the beginning of that year will carry over.
A current college player who sits out would probably player either in the CFL or for a canadian college or maybe Arena league, but it will hurt draft stock, no doubt about that. If the player was in the draft but did not get drafted the player can sign with any team at any time, if the player was in the draft, did get drafted but didn't sign, he is free to enter the draft again the next year.
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IMO, any underclassmen takes a huge risk declaring for the draft. If January comes around and we still don't have a new CBA, I'd stay in school.
Sure, there will be a draft, but you probably won't get signed a contract this year, so you'll have no income.
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Old 11-06-2010, 12:32 PM   #5
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6. Do you mean a current NFL player or a current college player?
Current NFL players who sit out a year do not get credit for that year, so whatever their contract situation at the beginning of that year will carry over.
A current college player who sits out would probably player either in the CFL or for a canadian college or maybe Arena league, but it will hurt draft stock, no doubt about that. If the player was in the draft but did not get drafted the player can sign with any team at any time, if the player was in the draft, did get drafted but didn't sign, he is free to enter the draft again the next year.
No, thinking about the college players, if they declare and then there is a lock-out. It wouldn't do some of these kids any good to sit out a year, some could of these kids could get into a lot of trouble or out of playing shape.

It would be great for college football if some return for their senior year.....just saying.
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Potential NFL Lock-Out and College Juniors

Some Questions?

1. What's the real chance of an NFL lock-out?
I think a very real chance

2. Will there still be a draft even if there is a lock-out?
Yes, because I don't believe a lockout becomes official until the season starts.

3. Will the lock-out happen before Juniors declare for the draft?
No

4. Should a a Junior take the risk and declare?
They can but if they hire an agent they can't go back to college if there is a lockout.

5. Can he change his mind or is the option to return off the table once he has contact with an agent?
See above, I was always under the impression they couldn't.

6. What happens to a player if he sets out a year? Wouldn't do it.
These are just my opinion
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Old 11-06-2010, 01:37 PM   #7
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If there is no football because of a labor dispute it could set back attendance for yrs. They better figure out a compromise or the fans may not all come back.

I already watch as much Lakers basketball as I do football and go to more games because they are in my city. This was first yr in a while I said no thanks to watching Broncos get destroyed in SD. Especially since there fans remind me of Raider fans now when you go to the games in SD.

If there is a work stoppage, with broncos being unwatchable anyways, who even cares really? Maybe just whole thing falling apart, union decertifies, all the players become FA would be best thing for Broncos. They don't have but 4-5 players worth keeping anyways.
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The real question... will we get replacement player football?

That would be sweet.
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The real question... will we get replacement player football?

That would be sweet.
Sorta...the UFL is betting it's entire existance on a lockout.

IMHO, the way things look right now, I think a lock out in 2011 is virtually certain.
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No, thinking about the college players, if they declare and then there is a lock-out. It wouldn't do some of these kids any good to sit out a year, some could of these kids could get into a lot of trouble or out of playing shape.

It would be great for college football if some return for their senior year.....just saying.
Not much more problematic than the other NFL players sitting out for a year. Might even less problematic since many of them won't have a lot of money to throw around.
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Old 11-06-2010, 06:21 PM   #11
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I guess Mcmahon should have started the Xfl next year.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...uestions090810

If there’s a lockout, will there still be a draft next spring?

Yes, but it won’t be business as usual for the teams or for the players they select. With no CBA in place, teams won’t be able to sign players, and those post-draft minicamps will be non-existent. Also, in the absence of a CBA, the league’s ability to generate revenues from the new crop of big-name draftees will be limited. In other words, if you want to purchase one of those sweet new Jake Locker jerseys in the aftermath of his being drafted, you’ll have to buy one without his name on the back of it or wait until a new CBA is signed.

Could the UFL provide players with a safe haven?

Absolutely. Some believe the United Football League, which debuted in ’09 and is about to begin its second season, was launched with a potential lockout in mind. As one NFL source speculates, “It was the equivalent of betting the Don’t Pass Line in craps – it was banking on a lockout, so it could be there to fill the void.” In theory, the upstart league could rapidly expand beyond its current vision of six teams for the 2011 season and provide jobs for many of the NFL’s high-profile players during a work stoppage.


In the absence of a new CBA, will some NFL players get in touch with their inner Cheech and Chong?

Damn straight. If there’s no CBA, the NFL won’t be able to test or monitor players, even prior offenders who’ve run afoul of the league’s policies against substance abuse and/or performance-enhancing drugs. “It’s gonna be an old-fashioned Smoke In for some guys,” predicts a league source. “They’ll be in pot heaven.”
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The lockout would start on the first day of the new league year (beginning of March).
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Potential NFL Lock-Out and College Juniors

Some Questions?

1. What's the real chance of an NFL lock-out?

2. Will there still be a draft even if there is a lock-out?

3. Will the lock-out happen before Juniors declare for the draft?

4. Should a a Junior take the risk and declare?

5. Can he change his mind or is the option to return off the table once he has contact with an agent?

6. What happens to a player if he sets out a year?
Awesome questions.
I think the key here is to try to work something out by the CBA deadline of March 3rd 2011.
The owners want the players to take an 18% pay-cut.
The players representative would have an uphill battle against the NFL mights.
The league makes enough money from TV revenues
The NFL has leverage here, even if no games are played in 2011 they will still get over $5 billion in TV deals

So this could turn ugly. The sooner they could resolve this is -in my opinion- would be by late May to be able to save the season.
Now, this is the NFL wanting more money, but I think the owners could also stand to lose their share of cash by yje possible lockout.

One may argue that the players make a lot of money and 18% may be ok amongst millionaire players...
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Awesome questions.
I think the key here is to try to work something out by the CBA deadline of March 3rd 2011.
The owners want the players to take an 18% pay-cut.
The players representative would have an uphill battle against the NFL mights.
The league makes enough money from TV revenues
The NFL has leverage here, even if no games are played in 2011 they will still get over $5 billion in TV deals

So this could turn ugly. The sooner they could resolve this is -in my opinion- would be by late May to be able to save the season.
Now, this is the NFL wanting more money, but I think the owners could also stand to lose their share of cash by yje possible lockout.

One may argue that the players make a lot of money and 18% may be ok amongst millionaire players...

The wild card is still the union decertifying, if that happens there can be no lockout and in that case any restriction on free agents or draft would lead to an anti-trust lawsuit against the owners as any league wide agreement could be seen as collussion.

Given the time scale of the American needle case, an antitrust case by the players would at least take 4 years to be heard at all levels of court applicable.

A decertification would mean wild times in the league, no salary cap, no minimun salary and crucially, no max roster size, at least those things would definitely constitute collusion.
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There's no way in hell the players are going to decertify

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There's no way in hell the players are going to decertify
25 teams already have voted to do so if necessary.
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Sorta...the UFL is betting it's entire existance on a lockout.

IMHO, the way things look right now, I think a lock out in 2011 is virtually certain.
Oh really? As of now over half the teams have voted to decertify the union. If they do that guess what? If the owners lock them out.....every player becomes a FA. Yep that is right it would be starting from square one with every player a FA. I don't think the owners will lock out if all the players vote to decertify. No way teams like GB, NE, Indy, etc let players like Brady, Manning, Rodgers hit the market.
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There's no way in hell the players are going to decertify
Almost all have. Really it's the smart move for them. It forced the owners to not lock them out.
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Okay, okay..somehow I missed that, please excuse the gaff on my part.......

It still doesn't make me feel any better about things though
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