what if we were injury free like the 1997 super bowl broncos? - The Orange Mane

bronco0608 · 11-04-2010, 11:51 PM

name a starter off that team that was injured for a significant period of time. you cant.

this team aint the 97 broncos, but major injuries to your starters will affect your record.

where would we be if the following starters

elvis dummervil
andre goodman
robert ayers
ryan harris
knowshon moreno
brian dawkins
spencer larsen

...never missed a game? sure as hell wouldnt be 2-6

you can only handle so many injuries. sometimes, luck on thr injury front plays a major role in team success.

BroncoBuff · 11-04-2010, 11:54 PM

Wouldn't be 2-6, no way.

Wouldn't win the Super Bowl, either.

bronco0608 · 11-04-2010, 11:56 PM

something like 20 starters played 15 games or more for that 97 team. You can't funk with that. when you line up your best and lose, you can handle that. but we have been lining up our b team for the majority of the year. thats tough as ****.

tsiguy96 · 11-04-2010, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

Wouldn't be 2-6, no way.

Wouldn't win the Super Bowl, either.

just think if we had doom and ayers all year, nevermind the rest of the guys. we dont lose to the jets, we beat the jaguars. they would be enough to switch any close game denver lost into our favor. 49ers wouldnt have even been close i imagine.

bronco0608 · 11-04-2010, 11:58 PM

and you could also include Chris Kuper, Ryan Clady, Demaryius Thomas, Perrish Cox and Correll Buckhalter in that injury mix.

Its been hella tough for us

Swedish Extrovert · 11-05-2010, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by tsiguy96

just think if we had doom and ayers all year, nevermind the rest of the guys. we dont lose to the jets, we beat the jaguars. they would be enough to switch any close game denver lost into our favor. 49ers wouldnt have even been close i imagine.

This is what I've been saying.

We're 5-3 right now with just those two players.

Jason in LA · 11-05-2010, 03:27 AM

Injury free, this team would be a middle of the road team. But injury free is rare, and every team is dealing with them. So the Broncos are what they are. If every team took away the injury factor then they'd all be better too, and a lot of them still better than this Broncos team.

Champagne Powder · 11-05-2010, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco0608

name a starter off that team that was injured for a significant period of time. you cant.

Tory James. Starting cornerback opposite of Ray Crockett tore his patella tendon in training camp. Darrien Gordon was supposed to be the nickel back that season.

go_broncos · 11-05-2010, 04:10 AM

Typical excuses.Every team has injuries...The problem with our team is coaching.
Just keep dreaming that we will be better team with them.
The player's that you mentioned played last year.Still, we won only 2 games after bye week.
Most of the teams in NFL can give the same excuse..

Jetmeck · 11-05-2010, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by go_broncos

Typical excuses.Every team has injuries...The problem with our team is coaching.
Just keep dreaming that we will be better team with them.
The player's that you mentioned played last year.Still, we won only 2 games after bye week.
Most of the teams in NFL can give the same excuse..

YEP. Scheme...coaching. Hired a dumbass coordinator or line coach. Fired the old good one.....you name it McD has made the mistake.

Rabb · 11-05-2010, 06:30 AM

I just don't fully buy into the "if we were only injury free" garbage.

I realize the importance of Doom and Ayers, but I cannot say for sure we win any of the games we lost with them in or not...and it's silly to even speculate.

Look at the Colts then b**** about injuries, they keep rolling because aside from Manning they have the system to plug players in to succeed.

I myself am not convinced we get more than an extra win with a full squad this year, our coaching is just miserable top to bottom. Sure it would help, but I think it's an excuse and it's sad that we have reached the point of accepting the product and make excuses for it.

TheElusiveKyleOrton · 11-05-2010, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason in McLA

Injury free, this team would be a middle of the road team. But injury free is rare, and every team is dealing with them. So the Broncos are what they are. If every team took away the injury factor then they'd all be better too, and a lot of them still better than this Broncos team.

How many of those teams who are dealing with injuries lost the NFL's defending sack leader for the entire season, then couldn't get pressure on the QB?

I think we'd be middle of the road as well, but I bet we'd be at LEAST 4-4, if not 5-3.

TheElusiveKyleOrton · 11-05-2010, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jetmeck

YEP. Scheme...coaching. Hired a dumbass coordinator or line coach. Fired the old good one.....you name it McD has made the mistake.

Christ, you are a ****ing retard. No, seriously. Do you live in a home where they wipe your ass for you? I'm not sure you're actually capable of doing something like that.

The old coach wasn't fired. In fact, none of the old coaches were fired. DURKA DURRRRRRRRRRR.

What a ****ing dip**** retard loser.

Rabb · 11-05-2010, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatOneDenverMooseGuy

How many of those teams who are dealing with injuries lost the NFL's defending sack leader for the entire season, then couldn't get pressure on the QB?

I think we'd be middle of the road as well, but I bet we'd be at LEAST 4-4, if not 5-3.

I absolutely think it's a valid point Moose, but if we are relying on one single person on defense to keep us above water...then the problems are a lot deeper than we all realize

Teams like the Ravens and Steelers can lose crucial guys and plug other guys in to at least get them by for a while...why is that do you think?

TheElusiveKyleOrton · 11-05-2010, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rabb

I absolutely think it's a valid point Moose, but if we are relying on one single person on defense to keep us above water...then the problems are a lot deeper than we all realize

Teams like the Ravens and Steelers can lose crucial guys and plug other guys in to at least get them by for a while...why is that do you think?

I understand that Rabb (what happened to the Mc?), and it was just a single example. I could point to the running game with backups on the line and a MASH unit in the backfield as well.

But losing Elvis is a MAJOR loss for this team. A guy like that is just one guy, true, but he also makes everyone on the line better. He makes linebackers better. With him and a healthy Ayers on the other end... instead of Moss and whoeverthe**** we have playing opposite him... I mean, it makes a huge difference.

And since everything starts up front on defense...

Rabb · 11-05-2010, 06:43 AM

I had to drop the Mc, I just cannot support the coach right now...not really a hater yet but the honeymoon is over for me.

I hope you are right man, my point is that if we had better backups this wouldn't happen...and the choosing/drafting of players is on the staff.

who knows, go Broncos

baja · 11-05-2010, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco0608

and you could also include Chris Kuper, Ryan Clady, Demaryius Thomas, Perrish Cox and Correll Buckhalter in that injury mix.

Its been hella tough for us

We lost White for the year too and he was looking like a good fit in preseason.

TheElusiveKyleOrton · 11-05-2010, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rabb

I had to drop the Mc, I just cannot support the coach right now...not really a hater yet but the honeymoon is over for me.

I hope you are right man, my point is that if we had better backups this wouldn't happen...and the choosing/drafting of players is on the staff.

who knows, go Broncos

That's cool. And you're right, if we had better backups we would be better. There's no question about it.

But getting good backups is a lot harder than you'd think, especially when we re-tooled almost the entire defense from the dog**** it had been previously. We spent our picks and FA pickups to get starters, combined with a little bit of depth, but you don't draft a guy in the first three rounds to be a backup, and you don't hit on many late round picks as starters. I just don't know where we're expecting these starting-quality backups to come from.

jhns · 11-05-2010, 06:55 AM

Why would it matter? Most of the game costing mistakes are from opening day starters...

While we are playing the if game, we should also do it for the 2008 team. They had more injuries than this one currently does. I bet Shanahan would be working on his 5th SB here at this point if he didn't have to deal with injuries. It is just too bad Bowlen doesn't see this as an excuse.

Rabb · 11-05-2010, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatOneDenverMooseGuy

That's cool. And you're right, if we had better backups we would be better. There's no question about it.

But getting good backups is a lot harder than you'd think, especially when we re-tooled almost the entire defense from the dog**** it had been previously. We spent our picks and FA pickups to get starters, combined with a little bit of depth, but you don't draft a guy in the first three rounds to be a backup, and you don't hit on many late round picks as starters. I just don't know where we're expecting these starting-quality backups to come from.

that's fair enough, but how do teams like Baltimore and Pittsburgh manage to do it then?

baja · 11-05-2010, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Rabb

that's fair enough, but how do teams like Baltimore and Pittsburgh manage to do it then?

They didn't have Mike Shanahan drafting for them for the previous ten years.

TheElusiveKyleOrton · 11-05-2010, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rabb

that's fair enough, but how do teams like Baltimore and Pittsburgh manage to do it then?

When was the last time either of those teams had a complete rebuild on either side of the ball? They've got 3-4 year vets as their backups who have been in the system for the entirety of those years. We're playing rookies or journeymen in a lot of those roles.

That's how I see it, anyway.

TailgateNut · 11-05-2010, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatOneDenverMooseGuy

Christ, you are a ****ing retard. No, seriously. Do you live in a home where they wipe your ass for you? I'm not sure you're actually capable of doing something like that.

The old coach wasn't fired. In fact, none of the old coaches were fired. DURKA DURRRRRRRRRRR.

What a ****ing dip**** retard loser.

This also applies to gobroncos (assinine moniker) who is also a douche.

tsiguy96 · 11-05-2010, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rabb

I just don't fully buy into the "if we were only injury free" garbage.

I realize the importance of Doom and Ayers, but I cannot say for sure we win any of the games we lost with them in or not...and it's silly to even speculate.

Look at the Colts then b**** about injuries, they keep rolling because aside from Manning they have the system to plug players in to succeed.

I myself am not convinced we get more than an extra win with a full squad this year, our coaching is just miserable top to bottom. Sure it would help, but I think it's an excuse and it's sad that we have reached the point of accepting the product and make excuses for it.

have them lose dwight freeney in preseason, see how good their D is then.

baja · 11-05-2010, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

This also applies to gobroncos (assinine moniker) who is also a douche.

You forgot the underscore, it's go (underscore) broncos. Cleaver no?

11-04-2010, 11:51 PM	#1
bronco0608 Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,177 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	what if we were injury free like the 1997 super bowl broncos? name a starter off that team that was injured for a significant period of time. you cant. this team aint the 97 broncos, but major injuries to your starters will affect your record. where would we be if the following starters elvis dummervil andre goodman robert ayers ryan harris knowshon moreno brian dawkins spencer larsen ...never missed a game? sure as hell wouldnt be 2-6 you can only handle so many injuries. sometimes, luck on thr injury front plays a major role in team success.

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11-04-2010, 11:54 PM	#2
BroncoBuff *************** Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 25,433 Adopt-a-Bronco: QUANTERUS SMITH	Wouldn't be 2-6, no way. Wouldn't win the Super Bowl, either.

11-04-2010, 11:56 PM	#3
bronco0608 Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,177 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	something like 20 starters played 15 games or more for that 97 team. You can't funk with that. when you line up your best and lose, you can handle that. but we have been lining up our b team for the majority of the year. thats tough as ****.

11-04-2010, 11:58 PM	#5
bronco0608 Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,177 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	and you could also include Chris Kuper, Ryan Clady, Demaryius Thomas, Perrish Cox and Correll Buckhalter in that injury mix. Its been hella tough for us

11-05-2010, 03:27 AM	#7
Jason in LA Gimmie that rep fool! Speaking of Butts & Boob Mojo Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: LA Posts: 12,252	Injury free, this team would be a middle of the road team. But injury free is rare, and every team is dealing with them. So the Broncos are what they are. If every team took away the injury factor then they'd all be better too, and a lot of them still better than this Broncos team.

11-05-2010, 04:10 AM	#9
go_broncos Ring of Famer **** you Bill Vinovich Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 5,218 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rod Smith	Typical excuses.Every team has injuries...The problem with our team is coaching. Just keep dreaming that we will be better team with them. The player's that you mentioned played last year.Still, we won only 2 games after bye week. Most of the teams in NFL can give the same excuse..

11-05-2010, 06:30 AM	#11
Rabb Zombie Slayer Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5,245 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	I just don't fully buy into the "if we were only injury free" garbage. I realize the importance of Doom and Ayers, but I cannot say for sure we win any of the games we lost with them in or not...and it's silly to even speculate. Look at the Colts then b**** about injuries, they keep rolling because aside from Manning they have the system to plug players in to succeed. I myself am not convinced we get more than an extra win with a full squad this year, our coaching is just miserable top to bottom. Sure it would help, but I think it's an excuse and it's sad that we have reached the point of accepting the product and make excuses for it.

11-05-2010, 06:43 AM	#16
Rabb Zombie Slayer Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5,245 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	I had to drop the Mc, I just cannot support the coach right now...not really a hater yet but the honeymoon is over for me. I hope you are right man, my point is that if we had better backups this wouldn't happen...and the choosing/drafting of players is on the staff. who knows, go Broncos

11-05-2010, 06:55 AM	#19
jhns I'm all up in your face but you still can't C me! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Omaha Posts: 12,405 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Why would it matter? Most of the game costing mistakes are from opening day starters... While we are playing the if game, we should also do it for the 2008 team. They had more injuries than this one currently does. I bet Shanahan would be working on his 5th SB here at this point if he didn't have to deal with injuries. It is just too bad Bowlen doesn't see this as an excuse.