Pornstache not surprised by Shanny/McNabb controversy

[Gort]

Jake Plummer getting some love on Yahoo today. he's still not a fan of Shanny, but seems to have moved on and isn't bitter. he seems to feel McNabb's pain though..

"I had a coach that, regardless of how well I thought I was playing or how well the majority of fans across the country thought I was playing, it was never good enough for him," Plummer said, not bitter but very matter-of-fact. "And that kind of gets frustrating.

"It just seemed like every game I could have completed these four more passes or these five more shots here and it would have been perfect. And that just wasn't my personality... But Shanahan wanted perfection and he wore a lot of us down there."

Plummer didn't sound surprised by the current circus unfolding in Washington, D.C., between Shanahan and Redskins quarterback Donovan McNabb.

"I think Shanahan is still searching for John Elway," Plummer said. "Somehow, someway, he thinks there's going to be another guy like John Elway.

"He coached a team to almost perfection [with Elway] so he wanted that again, he wanted that every time we went out there. It's just not realistic."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl-282499

[TheReverend]

How dare a coach point out mistakes made during a game...

I mean... it sounds like he's COACHING or something.

The nerve.

[bronco_diesel]

"I had a coach that, regardless of how well I thought I was playing or how well the majority of fans across the country thought I was playing, it was never good enough for him," Plummer said, not bitter but very matter-of-fact. "And that kind of gets frustrating.

It sure smacks of bitterness. I mean, it keeps coming up every couple years from Plummer. If you're not bitter about it, it doesn't even come up.

[yerner]

I can imagine Shanny being overbearing. Still, Mcnabb has played terrible this year which it seems nobody is talking about.

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by WhoIsJohnGalt

Jake Plummer getting some love on Yahoo today. he's still not a fan of Shanny, but seems to have moved on and isn't bitter.

This is the exact opposite of what I took out of these quotes. Too bad, too, because I'm a huge fan of the guy......these quotes are actually lowering him a few pegs though IMO.

It's Shanny's job to coach, to make you better, to strive for perfection. I really didn't think I'd ever hear Plummer say some of these things.....disappointing.

[Gort]

Originally Posted by bronco_diesel

It sure smacks of bitterness. I mean, it keeps coming up every couple years from Plummer. If you're not bitter about it, it doesn't even come up.

i dunno. it sounds more the like the interviewer going down the predictable road with his questions about why he left Denver and retired. he could have gone into details but left it at generalities. i was never a fan of Jake. i don't wish him any ill will, but i didn't like him as QB. he seems to have come to grips with it all now that Shanny and Cutler flamed out in Denver and have moved on to other teams.

[Gort]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

This is the exact opposite of what I took out of these quotes. Too bad, too, because I'm a huge fan of the guy......these quotes are actually lowering him a few pegs though IMO.

It's Shanny's job to coach, to make you better, to strive for perfection. I really didn't think I'd ever hear Plummer say some of these things.....disappointing.

you think? i would have thought he'd be relishing the opportunity to rip into Shanny now that Shanny is doing the same thing with McNabb, but he didn't seem to want to go there.

[mkporter]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

How dare a coach point out mistakes made during a game...

I mean... it sounds like he's COACHING or something.

The nerve.

It's not a question of coaching, but a question of motivating. I certainly don't know what it's like to play for Shanny, but I can see how having someone constantly point out everything you do wrong without taking time to build you up occasionally might get old after a while.

[Taco John]

In Handball, you don't have a coach to ride your ass to get better. If you suck, it's all cool because nobody cares about handball.

[ScottXray]

Hindsight also comes in..

Jake won a lot of games for Shanahan , and he also lost a few.
But he won a lot more than he lost. Pointing out that he (Shanny) was continuously looking for another Elway may seem to be criticism and
spiteful...but it is also true. Can't fault Shanny for WANTING that. It worked well until he had Cutler waiting. Of course who knew that Jake would go in the tank with a competitor waiting.

Shannys system has always required a "perfect " QB to run it. Thats why he kept trying to find that guy...(Griese , Plummer, Cutler) after Elway left. The problem is he always tried to make the player fit the image, rather than take what he HAD and make the system fit it (exception was Plummer...he adapted the system to Plummers strengths ...until he had Cutler in backup....then he couldn't wait to try out his new toy.)

[Taco John]

Imagine. A coach wanting perfection...

Thank God Josh doesn't want perfection out of our guys.

[Gort]

Originally Posted by mkporter

It's not a question of coaching, but a question of motivating. I certainly don't know what it's like to play for Shanny, but I can see how having someone constantly point out everything you do wrong without taking time to build you up occasionally might get old after a while.

and that's why there are divorce lawyers!

[Rock Chalk]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

This is the exact opposite of what I took out of these quotes. Too bad, too, because I'm a huge fan of the guy......these quotes are actually lowering him a few pegs though IMO.

It's Shanny's job to coach, to make you better, to strive for perfection. I really didn't think I'd ever hear Plummer say some of these things.....disappointing.

Sounds that way but those quotes are also written and given proper tone could very well be matter-of-fact and not bitter sounding.

That's what is so difficult about the writen word, it loses a lot of meaning from verbal communication.

[Taco John]

"I lost in our doubles match at my tournament in a tiebreaker and came off the court as happy as I've ever been after a loss," Plummer said. "I was smiling and laughing and [thinking], 'Hey, this is life.'"


You can't blame a guy who chokes in big games to want to be comfortable losing. More power to you Jake!

[Gort]

Originally Posted by Taco John

"I lost in our doubles match at my tournament in a tiebreaker and came off the court as happy as I've ever been after a loss," Plummer said. "I was smiling and laughing and [thinking], 'Hey, this is life.'"


You can't blame a guy who chokes in big games to want to be comfortable losing. More power to you Jake!

again, i was never a Plummer fan, but...

1) he retired with his health intact
2) he's still young
3) he's still rich
4) he married a cheerleader
5) his days are spent doing things he considers fun

i don't think he's comfortable losing... i think his life is so good that losing a handball game does little to put a dent in what must be a perpetual smile on his face.

[mkporter]

Did he name his kid after Champ?

He hasn't looked back since and Plummer's certainly got his hands full these days. On top of all the physical activities, he's now a family man, spending time with his wife and former Broncos cheerleader, Kollette, and their newborn son, Roland, whom she had in June.

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by mkporter

It's not a question of coaching, but a question of motivating. I certainly don't know what it's like to play for Shanny, but I can see how having someone constantly point out everything you do wrong without taking time to build you up occasionally might get old after a while.

It's a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my ass off and Initech ships a few extra units, I don't see another dime, so where's the motivation? And here's something else, Bob: I have eight different bosses right now.

I beg your pardon?

Eight bosses.

Eight?

Eight, Bob. So that means that when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That's my only real motivation is not to be hassled, that and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that will only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired.

[Kaylore]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

This is the exact opposite of what I took out of these quotes. Too bad, too, because I'm a huge fan of the guy......these quotes are actually lowering him a few pegs though IMO.

It's Shanny's job to coach, to make you better, to strive for perfection. I really didn't think I'd ever hear Plummer say some of these things.....disappointing.

Yeah no kidding. The guy is still complaining that Shanahan asked him to improve. The way Plummer handled the drafting of Cutler really pissed me off. Orton >>>>>>> Plummer and his whining.

[hookemhess]

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by WhoIsJohnGalt

again, i was never a Plummer fan, but...

1) he retired with his health intact
2) he's still young
3) he's still rich
4) he married a cheerleader
5) his days are spent doing things he considers fun

i don't think he's comfortable losing... i think his life is so good that losing a handball game does little to put a dent in what must be a perpetual smile on his face.

I don't care whether he's young or rich or any of that stuff. None of that will bring back the four turnovers he committed on our home field against Pittsburgh when he had a chance to step up for once in his post season career and make something happen. It also won't change the fact that he quit on us the following year when Shanahan drafted Cutler - he QUIT. All I need to be reminded of what a p***Y Jake was that year is look at Kyle Orton and see how a real winner handles that kind of pressure. Kyle could have easily folded up shop, went into his shell, and put all the pressure on the rest of the team to carry him. Instead, Kyle has soldiered on and played at as high a level as he's ever played in his career without a chip on his shoulder born of a sense of entitlement.

[mkporter]

Originally Posted by Taco John

"I lost in our doubles match at my tournament in a tiebreaker and came off the court as happy as I've ever been after a loss," Plummer said. "I was smiling and laughing and [thinking], 'Hey, this is life.'"


You can't blame a guy who chokes in big games to want to be comfortable losing. More power to you Jake!

You have a lot of spite for a QB that did a lot of good things for us. Jake had his share of bonehead plays, but Jake was a natural leader at the QB spot. The only one we've had since St. John left us.

I also have to give him credit for understanding what is important in life: health and family.

[mkporter]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

It's a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my ass off and Initech ships a few extra units, I don't see another dime, so where's the motivation? And here's something else, Bob: I have eight different bosses right now.

I beg your pardon?

Eight bosses.

Eight?

Eight, Bob. So that means that when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That's my only real motivation is not to be hassled, that and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that will only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired.

[Miss I.]

In context of the article it sounds less bitter, but when just quoted out like that he sounds bitter.

However, what I really want to know is, why would he name his kid Roland Plummer... that just sounds wrong? I know there is a joke in there somewhere.

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by mkporter

You have a lot of spite for a QB that did a lot of good things for us. Jake had his share of bonehead plays, but Jake was a natural leader at the QB spot. The only one we've had since St. John left us.

I also have to give him credit for understanding what is important in life: health and family.

I have spite for him for two reasons:

1. He was a choker in big games, and I found that to be especially aggrivating. Jake couldn't be counted on to come through in prime time.

2. He QUIT on us when we drafted Cutler, instead of handling the pressure and showing everybody why that was a stupid move. And apparently, he could have easily shown Jay up. Instead, he folded up shop.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by mkporter

It's not a question of coaching, but a question of motivating. I certainly don't know what it's like to play for Shanny, but I can see how having someone constantly point out everything you do wrong without taking time to build you up occasionally might get old after a while.

I thought he pampered his stars?

Which is it? lol people are flat out retarded.