Socailists

[shakenbake]

What is stopping you from being a socialist now? It seems you could live by socialist principles without the government forcing you to do so.

If you are already a practicing socalist, I am curious to hear the details...

[Rohirrim]

By the definition rightards use today, Nixon was a socialist.

[shakenbake]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

By the definition rightards use today, Nixon was a socialist.

Forget about Nixon, are you a socialists?

[barryr]

Originally Posted by shakenbake

Forget about Nixon, are you a socialists?

Yes, he is. Wants government to control everything, even the number of times you can flush your toilet.

[Garcia Bronco]

It's been proven over and over that socialism is an unsustainable economic principle. Socialism cannot eliminate the self-interests of human beings. Ergo, it's just a vehicle to tyranny. I do think that it is sustainable in a small setting.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by shakenbake

Forget about Nixon, are you a socialists?

I'm as much of a socialist as Nixon was.

[shakenbake]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

It's been proven over and over that socialism is an unsustainable economic principle. Socialism cannot eliminate the self-interests of human beings. Ergo, it's just a vehicle to tyranny. I do think that it is sustainable in a small setting.

I agree.

What I am saying to the socialists is if you want to be a socialist what is stopping yup from doing that now?

A follow up question would be why do you feel compeled to force your ideology on others?

[shakenbake]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I'm as much of a socialist as Nixon was.

Can you explain more than that? It's pretty much yes or no answer, no reason to deflect.

[Rohirrim]

so·cial·ism   /ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ [soh-shuh-liz-uhm]

–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

[DBruleU]

: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

[Spider]

Originally Posted by shakenbake

Can you explain more than that? It's pretty much yes or no answer, no reason to deflect.

no it isnt , if you are going to as a question , make sure you know what you are asking , everyone in this country is a little socialist , a little capitalistic,a little fascist , a little dictatorship , this country is made up of everything ....... you really should study up on this ... and for left leaning / Right leaning 90% of elections in this country won =Money , money doesnt care if it is socialist , capitalist ,fascist , in a dictatorship .....

[Rohirrim]

Like I say, if the Tea Partiers are opposed to any form of socialism, they should burn their Medicare cards and send back their Social Security checks.

[Spider]

well just to set shake n bake strait , everyone in the Military is a socialist , Odd huh ....How does that fit in ?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Like I say, if the Tea Partiers are opposed to any form of socialism, they should burn their Medicare cards and send back their Social Security checks.

and vote to disband the Military .......

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Like I say, if the Tea Partiers are opposed to any form of socialism, they should burn their Medicare cards and send back their Social Security checks.

Do they get their money back too? I think you'd find a lot of them eager to do exactly what you say if they also got their money back (or at the very least allowed to opt out from this point moving forward). For my part, I favor them going back to the system for every single dime they can take it for. Their money is going into the beast, they might as well grab a nipple and fight for their share as agressively as anyone else.

[Smiling Assassin27]

If you deal in ideas, like college professors, students, and certain US presidents, Socialism is a wonderful thing. But like I posted in another thread, when the rubber hits the road, reality turns Socialism into economic disaster.

Like Garcia said, human nature is at the heart of Socialist failures, even when leaders are these grand idealists. Generally, humans are not willing to work as well for the common good as they do for their own benefit. Why? Because a system that allows some of the people to have unchecked power over others is one that is begging for abuse. The concentration of power that's needed to create someone's idea of equality creates Stalins, Hitlers, Pol Pots, and others.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by shakenbake

...why do you feel compeled to force your ideology on others?

Who's doing that? Are you referring to Bush and the GOP congress that pushed through the unfunded Medicare Part D? Can we look forward to the new tea party GOP to push for its repeal? Or is the GOP and tea party going to once again prove to be the fiscal frauds that they really are?

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Taco John

Do they get their money back too? I think you'd find a lot of them eager to do exactly what you say if they also got their money back (or at the very least allowed to opt out from this point moving forward). For my part, I favor them going back to the system for every single dime they can take it for. Their money is going into the beast, they might as well grab a nipple and fight for their share as agressively as anyone else.

There's no money. Didn't you listen to Bush? It's all just a bunch of IOUs in a file cabinet.

Whenever I think of privatized social security I am reminded of Enron. How are those private sector pensions working out? How's the old 401K?

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

If you deal in ideas, like college professors, students, and certain US presidents, Socialism is a wonderful thing. But like I posted in another thread, when the rubber hits the road, reality turns Socialism into economic disaster.

Like Garcia said, human nature is at the heart of Socialist failures, even when leaders are these grand idealists. Generally, humans are not willing to work as well for the common good as they do for their own benefit. Why? Because a system that allows some of the people to have unchecked power over others is one that is begging for abuse. The concentration of power that's needed to create someone's idea of equality creates Stalins, Hitlers, Pol Pots, and others.

Yeah, because Laissez-faire capitalism doesn't allow for some of the people to have unchecked power over others.




The purpose of all socialist ideas is to prevent or at least mitigate the concentration of power, and it's the tool we used to build the most successful economy in the history of the world. All you idiots running around acting like we haven't had a substantially socialist economy for most of the last century are just demonstrating that you aren't paying attention.

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

There's no money. Didn't you listen to Bush? It's all just a bunch of IOUs in a file cabinet.

Whenever I think of privatized social security I am reminded of Enron. How are those private sector pensions working out? How's the old 401K?

All the more reason to allow people to opt out. You summed it up. I either get robbed by government or I get robbed by Enron. What's the difference other than your absolutist idea that I have to sit and get robbed with you whether I like it or not.

I'd rather opt out and invest that money the way I see fit. It's a lot easier to trust the government when they don't have a gun to your head and are robbing you blind.

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by Taco John

All the more reason to allow people to opt out. You summed it up. I either get robbed by government or I get robbed by Enron. What's the difference other than your absolutist idea that I have to sit and get robbed with you whether I like it or not.

I'd rather opt out and invest that money the way I see fit. It's a lot easier to trust the government when they don't have a gun to your head and are robbing you blind.

Robbing you by giving you a guaranteed return on investment that has always beaten the DJIA (including dividends)? Hell, if that's your definition of robbing me, sign me up for more!

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by Fedaykin

Robbing you by giving you a guaranteed return on investment that has always beaten the DJIA (including dividends)? Hell, if that's your definition of robbing me, sign me up for more!

Guaranteed return on investment? You must be a baby boomer.

[mhgaffney]

The problem is that capitalism is also a disaster. Pick your poison.

[Pony Boy]

Originally Posted by Taco John

Guaranteed return on investment? You must be a baby boomer.

Ha..... I'm a baby boomer, I can remember buying a house in Boulder Co. in 1976 and paying 12.5% fixed on a 30 year loan and thought it was a great deal.

Been there, seen it, done it, raised and educated my kids, put away enough to retire if I can keep Obama from spending it all.

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

Ha..... I'm a baby boomer, I can remember buying a house in Boulder Co. in 1976 and paying 12.5% fixed on a 30 year loan and thought it was a great deal.

Been there, seen it, done it, raised and educated my kids, put away enough to retire if I can keep Obama from spending it all.

You mean --- if the fed destroys the dollar. It won't be Obama's doing.