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Old 11-02-2010, 04:16 PM   #1
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Default Another midterm look: Then and Now...

So, amidst the gloom and doom around here, I thought I'd take a look at where we were in each department after 1.5 seasons as opposed to at the end of the 08 season.

This year started out rough with the injuries, and then poor play and bad breaks helped the woes continue.

Still, I figured it was worth trying to cut through the emotion to see where we really were as a team. Like anything of this nature, this stuff is completely subjective. But, here's a quick rundown of how I see it.


QB - BETTER - This is pretty much a no-brainer on every level. I don't assume I have to explain this one.

RB - WORSE - Moreno has more talent than any feature back we had in 08, in my opinion. But, Shanahan's system made productive
players out of guys like Hillis, Young and Cellphone Bell. But, Moreno needs to be on the field more and when he is... our fat guys
have to push the other team's fat guys in such a way that actually creates an open space to utilize. I think this department could go
from worse to better in a big hurry if people get healthy and the rookies improve just a little.

WR - BETTER - Our #1 receiver is outperforming our prior #1 receiver in yards and TD's, and the top to bottom talent at WR is much better.
It's a different system, but the numbers and depth are improving.

OL - WORSE - Some of this is injuries. If Clady/Harris were healthy, this might look a little different. Two rookies in the interior don't help either, but
hopefully we're developing at least one of them to be a quality starter in the future. We need to do more work here.

TE - WORSE - I didn't mind losing Scheffler. He was hurt as much as healthy. But, Graham seems to have fallen off and we're not getting much
production at TE, receiving-wise. The counter-argument here might be that we are seeing more overall passing targets used, including the backs
so it's somewhat of a wash.

OFFENSIVE DEPTH - BETTER - We've not got an intriguing prospect at back-up QB and a couple of young receivers that I think we're all very
excited about seeing more of.

ST's -BETTER- This is very close, but do think overall we're covering kicks better and kicking more reliably than under the prior admin. The last two
games being notable exceptions, of course. We also have to get more going in the return game.

DL - PUSH - This is also very close and that pains me to say. I really liked some of the moves we made with Williams and some of the other
pick-ups. But thus far, they're not faring much better than the garbage the prior admin had out there. The big wild-card here is that in the 3-4 defense,
you're getting your pass-rush from the OLB's, which IS a major area of improvement for us. So, if you include the entire front 7, we're definitely better.

LB - BETTER - When totally healthy, 3 of our 4 LB's are between B- and A- players, imo. We have a major need at ILB still, but this group is
better overall.

S - BETTER - Yes, Dawkins is near the end, but we've got a little depth and when healthy, this group is clearly better than when McD took over
the team.

CB's - BETTER - Goodman is better than Bly (etc.) when healthy, and we've absolutely got more young role players and potential future starters
than we did at the end of 08.

POSITION COACHING - WORSE - Of course, none of us are at practice so we're all just guessing. But, we're seeing way too many silly ****-ups out there on game-day. Of course, there are exceptions. I think our QB/WR's are playing very well. But, we've made costly, stupid mistakes all season long and that has to change.

PLAYCALLING - PUSH - I'll probably get some argument here, but people have short memories. People b****ed incessantly about Shanahan's game-day calling, despite
him being one of the best, imo. I think McDaniels is calling things appropriately most of the time, and I don't mind that he's aggressive and even a gambler at times.
The lack of a running game is a talent/execution thing, not a play-calling issue. Still, I think it can and will improve.

TRADES - PUSH - McDaniels has had a home run, and a couple of definite ground-outs. (And got beaned by a pitch on the A. Smith situation.) Shanahan didn't make a ton of trades, but had some great ones and some stinkers.

DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY - PUSH - I think we're doing better in free agency overall, and I think the draft situation is very close. Shanahan finally pulled a few decent players out of the last couple of drafts, or this would definitely be a "BETTER," as well. I think the trend is leaning towards better, though. We've had some hits (and misses) in free agency and these past two drafts are looking good as far as yielding talent. Now, there is an argument to be made about WHAT KIND of talent we're pulling in. I think we'd all like to see more future starters for the front seven join Ayers from this upcoming draft.


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Old 11-02-2010, 04:17 PM   #2
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home run and ground outs eh? He swung and lost his bat in the stands, homer
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He broke his bat and it was obviously corked. Fuggin' cheater.
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PLAYCALLING - PUSH - I'll probably get some argument here, but people have short memories. People b****ed incessantly about Shanahan's game-day calling, despite
him being one of the best, imo. I think McDaniels is calling things appropriately most of the time, and I don't mind that he's aggressive and even a gambler at times.
The lack of a running game is a talent/execution thing, not a play-calling issue. Still, I think it can and will improve.

TRADES - PUSH - McDaniels has had a home run, and a couple of definite ground-outs. (And got beaned by a pitch on the A. Smith situation.) Shanahan didn't make a ton of trades, but had some great ones and some stinkers.

DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY - PUSH - I think we're doing better in free agency overall, and I think the draft situation is very close. Shanahan finally pulled a few decent players out of the last couple of drafts, or this would definitely be a "BETTER," as well. I think the trend is leaning towards better, though. We've had some hits (and misses) in free agency and these past two drafts are looking good as far as yielding talent. Now, there is an argument to be made about WHAT KIND of talent we're pulling in. I think we'd all like to see more future starters for the front seven join Ayers from this upcoming draft.
I agree on the play calling, Shanahan was a very strong game starter, he was phenomenal in the 1st quarter of games, but faded as the game wore on. Mcdaniels seems to have his biggest forte in 2 minute drills and seems to peak around halftime, with a solid end to the 2nd quarter and good beginning to the 3rd. Mcdaniels does use more trick plays and exotic formations, but doesn't seem willing to tough it out some times.

I agree it is a push, defensively right now I would call it a push as well, Martindale is not the DC I thought he was.

For the trades, it really comes down to do you like slow and steady or do you prefer the rollercoaster. Mcdaniels has made some good trades value wise and some stinkers, Shanahan made few trades and they often fell in the middle of the road with a few exceptions either way.

Draft and Free Agency. Mcdaniels wins the free agency thing, he has added a number of contributors such as Lloyd, Gaffney, Goodman, Dawkins, Buckhalter as free agents. He has also struck out on Nate Jones, Jarvis Green et al. Shanahan tended to just strike out. In the draft, we have had more misses than we should have had and the direction and management of the draft has been less than stellar I think. Shanahan tended to get good value in draft trades when he made them and although for a long period of his reign we were easily the worst drafting team in the league, it really picked up the last few years. Mcdaniels seems to have hit on a few players so far, Ayers, Thomas and Cox at least and missed on a few as well, Quinn, Smith. Probably too soon to really compare the drafting, but a push seems fair.
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Its like the team focused solely this off season on the passing game. Or, its the only thing the coach really knows how to coach and improve. This team is 6 & 2 (or better) if we could play in all facets of the game as well as they do in the passing game.
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I agree it is a push, defensively right now I would call it a push as well, Martindale is not the DC I thought he was..
I'm not very impressed with what I'm seeing from Martindale right now.

I absolutely understand that it's hard to play without your two best pass-rushers. (Etc.)

However, one "too many/few men on the field" penalties in a season is one too many. What have we had... 4? 5? Damned near one per game?

It's absolute embarrass.
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I'm not very impressed with what I'm seeing from Martindale right now.

I absolutely understand that it's hard to play without your two best pass-rushers. (Etc.)

However, one "too many/few men on the field" penalties in a season is one too many. What have we had... 4? 5? Damned near one per game?

It's absolute embarrass.
Well - going back to the notion (be it false or not) that the team focused on only one aspect - our defense is definitely improved in the 3/4 & 1 to go. They are vastly improved in that phase of the game. Its gone from 3 & 1 was as good as 1st down (or TD), to we are probably gonna get the ball back.

Which makes it even more frustrating that over all we are so piss poor against the run.
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Popps you got a typo in the backup QB segment of your OP, says the opposite of what I think you want to say.
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I'm not very impressed with what I'm seeing from Martindale right now.

I absolutely understand that it's hard to play without your two best pass-rushers. (Etc.)

However, one "too many/few men on the field" penalties in a season is one too many. What have we had... 4? 5? Damned near one per game?

It's absolute embarrass.
My biggest problem with Martindale is that this defense is the antithesis of what we were trying to achieve. They wanted to be more physical, they wanted to stop the run and they wanted to be smart, and those are probably the 3 things that least describe our defense.
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My biggest problem with Martindale is that this defense is the antithesis of what we were trying to achieve. They wanted to be more physical, they wanted to stop the run and they wanted to be smart, and those are probably the 3 things that least describe our defense.
It hurts to read that because it's true.
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My biggest problem with Martindale is that this defense is the antithesis of what we were trying to achieve. They wanted to be more physical, they wanted to stop the run and they wanted to be smart, and those are probably the 3 things that least describe our defense.
Yea, Goodman just stopping on that route Sunday was unacceptable. I know he's hurt and hasn't probably been practicing, but these things are happening too much.

Still, with absolutely no pass-rush, you have to give Wink somewhat of a flier in his first season.

We have to figure out a way to get more stout up front, too. I'm shocked that Williams hasn't made more of a difference. I guess we just need to continue to look at the DE spots, because there just seem to be gaps for RB's to run through on every down.
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QB - PUSH - Orton is healthy and that's a good thing, yes, he's elevated his game some what. That being said, I've preached on this site over and over that he's still innacurate at times and makes bone headed throws. He is not "rising" to the occassion IMHO. If the Broncos are mathmatically eliminated from the playoffs, I'm kinda pushing for Tebow. I don't think it will stunt his growth that much if the Broncos play him with the understanding that his growth is what is important, not necessarily wins. However, this may in fact decrease Orton's value at the end of the year.

RB - PUSH - Moreno is still an unknown as of right now. The oline is what is really struggling. I'm inclined to think the RB situation might be better than we realize if we had decent run blocking.

WR - PUSH - Yah, I'm glad Marshall is gone and yah, I'm loving me some DT. Yes, Lloyd is playing fantastic (aside from the occassional easy drop) and yes, the other WR's look productive. All that being said, it's not translating to wins. End story here.

OL - WORSE - I'm really disappointed in the oline and I'm not sure if it's more of a coaching issue than a talent issue. Right now, it might be both. That being said, I don't like the oline coaching, IMHO, it looks like guys are unmotivated, confused and frustrated. Shame on coaches!.

TE - WORSE - The spread offense doesn't need a pass catching threat at TE. Sure, it's nice to have a pass catching TE but it's not essential. Right now, Quinn looks like Quap so McD has that going for him. The reality of the situation is the running game still sucks with these guys.

OFFENSIVE DEPTH - BETTER - Yah, ok I'll give McD some credit here. If the pieces can all come together than perhaps this offense will be more consistent.

ST's -BETTER- Eh, ok. The kicking game is still inconsistent.

DL - WORSE - I really thought this unit would be better. With Doom going down I knew sacks would be hard to come by but I thought the ability to stop the run would be better. However, it looks like I am wrong.

LB - BETTER - Get Doom back and combine him with a healthy Ayers and I think we have a good outside LBer combo. I'm still not completely sold on the interior guys. I'd love a young stud MLB with a nasty attitude. I wanted Spikes in this last draft but oh well.

S - PUSH - Move Champ to safety and I think this unit is better next year. Right now, I'm not so sure.

CB's - BETTER - McD whiffed on Phonz and scored on Cox. Squid looks like he might have some potential.

POSITION COACHING - WORSE - The oline coaching comes to mind here. Also, not sure about the dline coaching either.

PLAYCALLING - PUSH - McD can be very frustrating at times. Still, with no run game what can he do? .

TRADES - PUSH - McDaniels initially looks good in some trades and bad in other trades, but I guess you can't win them all. I defended the Phonz trade when it happened and he may still turn out to be a great CB, but in the end, it's trades like this that kill a team's ability to grow.

DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY - PUSH - The draft looks better, but it's still a little hard to tell if it was hella better than 2009. FA? Well, at least he's not as sucky as Shanny was.

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Yea, Goodman just stopping on that route Sunday was unacceptable. I know he's hurt and hasn't probably been practicing, but these things are happening too much.

Still, with absolutely no pass-rush, you have to give Wink somewhat of a flier in his first season.

We have to figure out a way to get more stout up front, too. I'm shocked that Williams hasn't made more of a difference. I guess we just need to continue to look at the DE spots, because there just seem to be gaps for RB's to run through on every down.
The injuries somewhat excuse the lack of pass rush and the problems in the secondary, but in no way, shape or form is it an excuse when it comes to the utter suckage that has been the defensive line. They are worse than last year despite being a lot more expensive. The defensive line regularly gets pushed around in both pass and run situations, that is a killer for a 3-4 defense, and I believe that is the main reason we switched to 4-3, simply because the 3 guys up front got outworked and outmuscled by 3 offensive linemen.
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QB - PUSH - Orton is healthy and that's a good thing, yes, he's elevated his game some what. That being said, I've preached on this site over and over that he's still innacurate at times and makes bone headed throws. He is not "rising" to the occassion IMHO. If the Broncos are mathmatically eliminated from the playoffs, I'm kinda pushing for Tebow. I don't think it will stunt his growth that much if the Broncos play him with the understanding that his growth is what is important, not necessarily wins. However, this may in fact decrease Orton's value at the end of the year.

RB - PUSH - Moreno is still an unknown as of right now. The oline is what is really struggling. I'm inclined to think the RB situation might be better than we realize if we had decent run blocking.

WR - PUSH - Yah, I'm glad Marshall is gone and yah, I'm loving me some DT. Yes, Lloyd is playing fantastic (aside from the occassional easy drop) and yes, the other WR's look productive. All that being said, it's not translating to wins. End story here.

OL - WORSE - I'm really disappointed in the oline and I'm not sure if it's more of a coaching issue than a talent issue. Right now, it might be both. That being said, I don't like the oline coaching, IMHO, it looks like guys are unmotivated, confused and frustrated. Shame on coaches!.

TE - WORSE - The spread offense doesn't need a pass catching threat at TE. Sure, it's nice to have a pass catching TE but it's not essential. Right now, Quinn looks like Quap so McD has that going for him. The reality of the situation is the running game still sucks with these guys.

OFFENSIVE DEPTH - BETTER - Yah, ok I'll give McD some credit here. If the pieces can all come together than perhaps this offense will be more consistent.

ST's -BETTER- Eh, ok. The kicking game is still inconsistent.

DL - WORSE - I really thought this unit would be better. With Doom going down I knew sacks would be hard to come by but I thought the ability to stop the run would be better. However, it looks like I am wrong.

LB - BETTER - Get Doom back and combine him with a healthy Ayers and I think we have a good outside LBer combo. I'm still not completely sold on the interior guys. I'd love a young stud MLB with a nasty attitude. I wanted Spikes in this last draft but oh well.

S - PUSH - Move Champ to safety and I think this unit is better next year. Right now, I'm not so sure.

CB's - BETTER - McD whiffed on Phonz and scored on Cox. Squid looks like he might have some potential.

POSITION COACHING - WORSE - The oline coaching comes to mind here. Also, not sure about the dline coaching either.

PLAYCALLING - PUSH - McD can be very frustrating at times. Still, with no run game what can he do? .

TRADES - PUSH - McDaniels initially looks good in some trades and bad in other trades, but I guess you can't win them all. I defended the Phonz trade when it happened and he may still turn out to be a great CB, but in the end, it's trades like this that kill a team's ability to grow.

DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY - PUSH - The draft looks better, but it's still a little hard to tell if it was hella better than 2009. FA? Well, at least he's not as sucky as Shanny was.
I wanted Phonz to work out more than anyone at least Gronkowski is starting to work his way into the offense. I'll be looking forward to seeing if he can get more and more involved. He's already starting to become that guy whose good for a catch when you really need one.
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So, amidst the gloom and doom around here, I thought I'd take a look at where we were in each department after 1.5 seasons as opposed to at the end of the 08 season.

This year started out rough with the injuries, and then poor play and bad breaks helped the woes continue.

Still, I figured it was worth trying to cut through the emotion to see where we really were as a team. Like anything of this nature, this stuff is completely subjective. But, here's a quick rundown of how I see it.


QB - BETTER - This is pretty much a no-brainer on every level. I don't assume I have to explain this one.

RB - WORSE - Moreno has more talent than any feature back we had in 08, in my opinion. But, Shanahan's system made productive
players out of guys like Hillis, Young and Cellphone Bell. But, Moreno needs to be on the field more and when he is... our fat guys
have to push the other team's fat guys in such a way that actually creates an open space to utilize. I think this department could go
from worse to better in a big hurry if people get healthy and the rookies improve just a little.

WR - BETTER - Our #1 receiver is outperforming our prior #1 receiver in yards and TD's, and the top to bottom talent at WR is much better.
It's a different system, but the numbers and depth are improving.

OL - WORSE - Some of this is injuries. If Clady/Harris were healthy, this might look a little different. Two rookies in the interior don't help either, but
hopefully we're developing at least one of them to be a quality starter in the future. We need to do more work here.

TE - WORSE - I didn't mind losing Scheffler. He was hurt as much as healthy. But, Graham seems to have fallen off and we're not getting much
production at TE, receiving-wise. The counter-argument here might be that we are seeing more overall passing targets used, including the backs
so it's somewhat of a wash.

OFFENSIVE DEPTH - BETTER - We've not got an intriguing prospect at back-up QB and a couple of young receivers that I think we're all very
excited about seeing more of.

ST's -BETTER- This is very close, but do think overall we're covering kicks better and kicking more reliably than under the prior admin. The last two
games being notable exceptions, of course. We also have to get more going in the return game.

DL - PUSH - This is also very close and that pains me to say. I really liked some of the moves we made with Williams and some of the other
pick-ups. But thus far, they're not faring much better than the garbage the prior admin had out there. The big wild-card here is that in the 3-4 defense,
you're getting your pass-rush from the OLB's, which IS a major area of improvement for us. So, if you include the entire front 7, we're definitely better.

LB - BETTER - When totally healthy, 3 of our 4 LB's are between B- and A- players, imo. We have a major need at ILB still, but this group is
better overall.

S - BETTER - Yes, Dawkins is near the end, but we've got a little depth and when healthy, this group is clearly better than when McD took over
the team.

CB's - BETTER - Goodman is better than Bly (etc.) when healthy, and we've absolutely got more young role players and potential future starters
than we did at the end of 08.

POSITION COACHING - WORSE - Of course, none of us are at practice so we're all just guessing. But, we're seeing way too many silly ****-ups out there on game-day. Of course, there are exceptions. I think our QB/WR's are playing very well. But, we've made costly, stupid mistakes all season long and that has to change.

PLAYCALLING - PUSH - I'll probably get some argument here, but people have short memories. People b****ed incessantly about Shanahan's game-day calling, despite
him being one of the best, imo. I think McDaniels is calling things appropriately most of the time, and I don't mind that he's aggressive and even a gambler at times.
The lack of a running game is a talent/execution thing, not a play-calling issue. Still, I think it can and will improve.

TRADES - PUSH - McDaniels has had a home run, and a couple of definite ground-outs. (And got beaned by a pitch on the A. Smith situation.) Shanahan didn't make a ton of trades, but had some great ones and some stinkers.

DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY - PUSH - I think we're doing better in free agency overall, and I think the draft situation is very close. Shanahan finally pulled a few decent players out of the last couple of drafts, or this would definitely be a "BETTER," as well. I think the trend is leaning towards better, though. We've had some hits (and misses) in free agency and these past two drafts are looking good as far as yielding talent. Now, there is an argument to be made about WHAT KIND of talent we're pulling in. I think we'd all like to see more future starters for the front seven join Ayers from this upcoming draft.


How do you see it?
Offensive Depth - Worse, sure QB depth may be better (if they allow Tebow to throw we would know for sure) but we don't have an RB, TE, or FB that would start on anyother team - maybe Larsen would make a squad as a ST'er. Throw in the poor OL play you cannot say our O depth is better.

ST's - PUSH - they have given up the same poor returns that we have seen for years now. DT is decent, Royal could become special as a PR but we haven't seen it yet. I think Decker is a ST monster, he has made some nice tackles in the last 2 games.

LB's - PUSH - Our 2 best LB's have been here for years, Ayers got hurt when he started to play well who knows what we get back, Hunter plays hard and I like him but he should not be starting.

Playcalling - WORSE Team consistently starts SSSSSSSLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW . This allows bad teams to keep games winnable late and good teams to pound us then throw in a slow start vs Oakland which got out of hand real fast.
I am starting to see CB's playing Lloyd tighter on those sideline comebacks/timing plays where Orton throws to Lloyds backside. Oakland took one of those for a pick6 on Orton's 1st throw.
mCd has 5 base WR patterns they seem to run and run well they seem to do a lot based on where the D is lined up so it is not about # of plays like Shanny had but what the D decides not to cover. Hence the poor starts because mCd is waiting to see what they get from a D rather than attack.
Our Redzone woes have not gotten better, maybe worse than last year (I didn't look it up) we can run (by that I mean pass because we have no run game) up and down the field but cannot get the ball in the endzone. mCd is still fond of going for it on 4th and short too many times. Also factor in the piss poor clock management and things are bleak.


Trades - WORSE No way to sugar coat this. We could have used all that ammo from the Cutler and Marshall trades to beef up the DL and OL which would have paid off sooner than using a 1st on Tebow.

Draft - WORSE - there is no depth, if a starter goes down teams need the next guy to step up and take his place, play the next man on the depth chart. One of mCd's points about drafting this year was that he wanted to bring competition to all positions including QB, this after making a trade for Quinn. Maybe Tebow is that once a generation type player but we are not going to see it for years, he could lose the clubhouse if he starts Tebow over Orton the way Orton has been playing. There may not have been a pick at DL where Tebow was picked who could have made a difference this year but we had the ammo to get DT and still move up and grab either a DL or better C.




I still don't think Doom would have been able to contribute enough to make a difference in our record. He doesn't play OL or RB, When our D does make a stop the O usually goes 3 and out and still has redzone struggles and cannot convert the 4th and short plays mCd loves to gamble on.

Reality is likely somewhere between your take and others more critical but we won't know for a couple of years yet.

Maybe we see a dramatic turnaround and we end up 9-7 but I would have thought they would have responded to the Oakland debacle better than they started the game vs San Fran. If not for Lloyd this team could be even worse off.
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The injuries somewhat excuse the lack of pass rush and the problems in the secondary, but in no way, shape or form is it an excuse when it comes to the utter suckage that has been the defensive line. They are worse than last year despite being a lot more expensive. The defensive line regularly gets pushed around in both pass and run situations, that is a killer for a 3-4 defense, and I believe that is the main reason we switched to 4-3, simply because the 3 guys up front got outworked and outmuscled by 3 offensive linemen.
Yep, the DL isn't getting it done. I think we've got to take a hard look in the draft AND free agency this off-season.
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I still don't think Doom would have been able to contribute enough to make a difference in our record. He doesn't play OL or RB, When our D does make a stop the O usually goes 3 and out and still has redzone struggles and cannot convert the 4th and short plays mCd loves to gamble on.

Reality is likely somewhere between your take and others more critical but we won't know for a couple of years yet.

Maybe we see a dramatic turnaround and we end up 9-7 but I would have thought they would have responded to the Oakland debacle better than they started the game vs San Fran. If not for Lloyd this team could be even worse off.
That's a huge stretch. Three of our losses have been close games that could have gone either way. Just one timely Doom sack could easily turn the tide in those games.
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That's a huge stretch. Three of our losses have been close games that could have gone either way. Just one timely Doom sack could easily turn the tide in those games.
How many turned on a Doom sack last year in his career year? Maybe he is worth one win this year. Fact is this D is being gashed on the ground and Doom's thing is in the passing game, maybe he gets to Smith late in the game last week I will give him 1 game and again if the truth is somewhere in the middle then he gets 1.5 wins.
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How many turned on a Doom sack last year in his career year? Maybe he is worth one win this year. Fact is this D is being gashed on the ground and Doom's thing is in the passing game, maybe he gets to Smith late in the game last week I will give him 1 game and again if the truth is somewhere in the middle then he gets 1.5 wins.
I'll give him the Jville game, and maybe the Jets game.

The lack of a pass-rush absolutely destroyed us on that last drive. (The PI call being the worst example.)

Plus remember, at this point... we're talking about Doom AND Ayers. Our best pass-rusher and our second best pass-rushers and best at run-contain.



Two more wins and I'd certainly be a lot happier. I'm assuming everyone would.

That said, I think we need to acquire a premiere DL, in the Seymour mold.
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Most teams who have a good and commited run game can neutralize Dumervil.

Like most pass rushers, he's at his best in obvious passing situations.

Something we hardly see because the team can rarely get a decent lead or consistently do a good job on the early downs.
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Yep, the DL isn't getting it done. I think we've got to take a hard look in the draft AND free agency this off-season.
Honestly, unless a stud is available in FA, I think we have to draft DL and forget about FA. We need young DLs who can get playing time and get used to the speed of the game, they will be better for it. One of the nice things right now is that the defensive line can only play better, so we might as well get rookies and young guys in there so we can build a strong unit from the ground up.
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Most teams who have a good and commited run game can neutralize Dumervil.

Like most pass rushers, he's at his best in obvious passing situations.

Something we hardly see because the team can rarely get a decent lead or consistently do a good job on the early downs.
That is true, I do think the presence of Ayers and Dumervil will make up for it, if we can build or develope a strong defensive line, along with Ayers that gives you 4 very solid big bodies up front who can stop the run and allow Dumervil to do what Freeney does, play the pass first and then use speed to chase the run.
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I'll give him the Jville game, and maybe the Jets game.

The lack of a pass-rush absolutely destroyed us on that last drive. (The PI call being the worst example.)

Plus remember, at this point... we're talking about Doom AND Ayers. Our best pass-rusher and our second best pass-rushers and best at run-contain.



Two more wins and I'd certainly be a lot happier. I'm assuming everyone would.

That said, I think we need to acquire a premiere DL, in the Seymour mold.
Finally we agree on something.
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Like most pass rushers, he's at his best in obvious passing situations.

Something we hardly see because the team can rarely get a decent lead or consistently do a good job on the early downs.
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Honestly, unless a stud is available in FA, I think we have to draft DL and forget about FA. We need young DLs who can get playing time and get used to the speed of the game, they will be better for it. One of the nice things right now is that the defensive line can only play better, so we might as well get rookies and young guys in there so we can build a strong unit from the ground up.
I agree 100% we need to homegrow some DL.
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