C.A.I.R., Its Time to Stand Up for Your Country

[epicSocialism4tw]

In light of the recent bombing attempt on US synagogues, dont you think its high time that CAIR (Counsel of American-Islamic Relations) began to lead the charge to separate extremist Islam elements from the so called mainstream?

Its high time that they and other Muslim leaders held press conferences in Britain and the US that publicly lambaste these terrorists.

Its Islam that needs to lead the charge here.

[El Guapo]

Somehow I don't see that happening.


Aren't you racist for even assuming that it had anything to do with Islam!? How dare you!!!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Maverick_7

Somehow I don't see that happening.


Aren't you racist for even assuming that it had anything to do with Islam!? How dare you!!!

Islam is a religion - not a race.

That makes McShillit a bigot for trying to hold anyone who happens to Muslim responsible for the actions of a handful of fanatics.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by McSkillet

In light of the recent bombing attempt on US synagogues, dont you think its high time that CAIR (Counsel of American-Islamic Relations) began to lead the charge to separate extremist Islam elements from the so called mainstream?

Its high time that they and other Muslim leaders held press conferences in Britain and the US that publicly lambaste these terrorists.

Its Islam that needs to lead the charge here.

If you bothered to look, you will find condemnation by Muslim leadership all over the world. But they could be better covered by the US press.

This is just a few of the comments.

http://www.unc.edu/~kurzman/terror.htm

A common complaint among non-Muslims is that Muslim religious authorities do not condemn terrorist attacks. The complaints often surface in letters to the editors of newspapers, on phone-in radio shows, in Internet mailing lists, forums, etc. A leader of an evangelical Christian para-church group, broadcasting over Sirius Family Net radio, stated that he had done a thorough search on the Internet for a Muslim statement condemning terrorism, without finding a single item.

Actually, there are lots of fatwas and other statements issued which condemn attacks on innocent civilians. Unfortunately, they are largely ignored by newspapers, television news, radio news and other media outlets.

The following essays describe a small percentage of statements condemning terrorism that have been made, but not widely published.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/islfatwa.htm

U.K. Muslim Leaders Condemn Terrorism

http://www.islamopediaonline.org/new...demn-terrorism

Muslim Voices Against Extremism and Terrorism

http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php...nd_terrorism_2

[orinjkrush]

its 2010, 9 years of silence from mooselimbs.what are we waiting for?

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by orinjkrush

its 2010, 9 years of silence from mooselimbs.what are we waiting for?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

If you bothered to look, you will find condemnation by Muslim leadership all over the world.

McShillet knows this - he simply chooses to ignore such condemnations when they are quoted here.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Its easy to resolve.

All these guys have to do is to call up the producers at any one of the major TV outlets and say "hey, we're inviting the foremost muslim leaders in the free world to NY to hold a press conference to make international condemnation of hezbollah, al qaeda, and the like."

Every major news station would show up and cover it.

It would do several things. It would help to assuage the fears of Americans who are unsure of where Western Islam as a whole stands on the issue of terrorism. It would encourage other moderate muslims around the world to stand on their own. It would do alot toward winning the hearts and minds of those muslims in foreign nations who only hear "death to the infidels" propaganda from Imams.

Why wont this happen? Because the minute that these folks go on record, in public, on television where Al Jazeera frequencies reach the darkest caves in the muslim world, they will become targets. Their lives become in jeopardy, especially when they set foot in the countries of their origin.

Its the same reason why our press caves in, and why people are too intimidated to stand up to terrorists. They see their peers killed or in hiding and they are too afraid to risk those their life or their freedom. Like children bullied into submission.

The ball is in the court of the moderate muslims. Its their job to police their own. Its their responsibility to our country and its citizens, and even more so its their responsibility to their oppressed and endangered people.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by McSkillet

Its easy to resolve.

All these guys have to do is to call up the producers at any one of the major TV outlets and say "hey, we're inviting the foremost muslim leaders in the free world to NY to hold a press conference to make international condemnation of hezbollah, al qaeda, and the like."

Every major news station would show up and cover it.

It would do several things. It would help to assuage the fears of Americans who are unsure of where Western Islam as a whole stands on the issue of terrorism. It would encourage other moderate muslims around the world to stand on their own. It would do alot toward winning the hearts and minds of those muslims in foreign nations who only hear "death to the infidels" propaganda from Imams.

Why wont this happen? Because the minute that these folks go on record, in public, on television where Al Jazeera frequencies reach the darkest caves in the muslim world, they will become targets. Their lives become in jeopardy, especially when they set foot in the countries of their origin.

Its the same reason why our press caves in, and why people are too intimidated to stand up to terrorists. They see their peers killed or in hiding and they are too afraid to risk those their life or their freedom. Like children bullied into submission.

The ball is in the court of the moderate muslims. Its their job to police their own. Its their responsibility to our country and its citizens, and even more so its their responsibility to their oppressed and endangered people.

Reading isn't your strong point is it?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

Reading isn't your strong point is it?

Where's the prime time press conference?

[elsid13]

Originally Posted by McSkillet

Where's the prime time press conference?

And Prime Time Press conference in the US does what now?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by elsid13

And Prime Time Press conference in the US does what now?

It reaches Al Jazeera just as well as it reaches Columbia, SC.

It reaches caves in Pakistan as well as it reaches mountain houses in Kentucky.

[Obushma]

Originally Posted by McSkillet

It reaches Al Jazeera just as well as it reaches Columbia, SC.

It reaches caves in Pakistan as well as it reaches mountain houses in Kentucky.

The more bombs that drop, the better Elsid gets paid. Why would he even want to consider peace talks?

[elsid13]

Originally Posted by ThyNatural

The more bombs that drop, the better Elsid gets paid. Why would he even want to consider peace talks?

You have no clue, every day I pray that people lay down their arms and talk. What I do for a living ensures people like you have the ability to be stupid.

[Obushma]

Originally Posted by elsid13

You have no clue, every day I pray that people lay down their arms and talk. What I do for a living ensures people like you have the ability to be stupid.

Well tell us then Elsid, what defense contractor do you work for? Are you even American?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by ThyNatural

The more bombs that drop, the better Elsid gets paid. Why would he even want to consider peace talks?

The key to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is Muslim condemnation of terrorism. Its the drawing of definite, permanent lines between moderate muslims and terrorists. Its the public, unquestionable stance shown to everyone in the world that moderate muslims are moving on at peace with the west and are beginning to sever all ties with terrorist groups.

That situation would allow for major western imams to rise to the fore, issuing their own edicts to muslims around the world that provide alternatives to the extremists imams that hold sway over the muslim world from the middle east and africa. It would be a major step in the move of islam from a midieval theocracy into a modern philosophical religion.

Here in America, we have the largest media platform on the planet. Our news makes its way to just about every corner of the globe. We're definitely the voice of the west to the world. Especially in the middle east and africa, places where terrorism flourishes.

Instead of the widespread public scorn and condemnation of terrorism that comes with a major press conference, we have organizations like CAIR who work sometimes against american interests to defend people who defend terrorist groups like hezbollah and hamas.

Its time that islam grew a set and stood up to these murderers who dictate to them their religion by fear of death. The only way that terrorism will be defeated is if muslims defeat it themselves. Otherwise, this is a cancer that will plague our free societies for generations. And moderate muslims will continue to suffer the public and political consequences in the west. Why? Because they allow the darkness to exist in their own house. They have not shed light on it themselves, addressed it, and moved on in the best interest for all.

They shouldnt wonder why people are skeptical of their allegiance, because they have not done what is necessary to make sure that their allegiance is known. You can be loyal to allah and to your country as well, right? At least people hope so. It would do moderate muslims alot of good if they themselves made their own public relations statements instead of leaving everyone around the world to guess at it.

[Obushma]

Originally Posted by McSkillet

The key to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is Muslim condemnation of terrorism. Its the drawing of definite, permanent lines between moderate muslims and terrorists. Its the public, unquestionable stance shown to everyone in the world that moderate muslims are moving on at peace with the west and are beginning to sever all ties with terrorist groups.

That situation would allow for major western imams to rise to the fore, issuing their own edicts to muslims around the world that provide alternatives to the extremists imams that hold sway over the muslim world from the middle east and africa. It would be a major step in the move of islam from a midieval theocracy into a modern philosophical religion.

Here in America, we have the largest media platform on the planet. Our news makes its way to just about every corner of the globe. We're definitely the voice of the west to the world. Especially in the middle east and africa, places where terrorism flourishes.

Instead of the widespread public scorn and condemnation of terrorism that comes with a major press conference, we have organizations like CAIR who work sometimes against american interests to defend people who defend terrorist groups like hezbollah and hamas.

Its time that islam grew a set and stood up to these murderers who dictate to them their religion by fear of death. The only way that terrorism will be defeated is if muslims defeat it themselves. Otherwise, this is a cancer that will plague our free societies for generations. And moderate muslims will continue to suffer the public and political consequences in the west. Why? Because they allow the darkness to exist in their own house. They have not shed light on it themselves, addressed it, and moved on in the best interest for all.

They shouldnt wonder why people are skeptical of their allegiance, because they have not done what is necessary to make sure that their allegiance is known. You can be loyal to allah and to your country as well, right? At least people hope so. It would do moderate muslims alot of good if they themselves made their own public relations statements instead of leaving everyone around the world to guess at it.

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, that's what you don't understand Lama. If China was to build a Vatican sized embassy in the USA, you best believe you'd be considered a terrorist by the Chinese government if you tried to stop it.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by McSkillet

Where's the prime time press conference?

The condemnation from the Muslim community has been worldwide and frequent.

Try reading.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by ThyNatural

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, that's what you don't understand Lama. If China was to build a Vatican sized embassy in the USA, you best believe you'd be considered a terrorist by the Chinese government if you tried to stop it.

That point is well and good if you are an anti-imperialist, but we arent talking about imperialism here. We're talking about citizens of the United States on US soil.

The idea of encouraging terrorism as a US citizen because people from your home country view the US as imperialist invaders should not be considered an acceptable or even reasonable position to hold here stateside. A person who wishes death upon their own citizens because of something happening in another country should not be considered a loyal American. Its one thing to disagree, its another entirely to encourage terrorism.

In their relative silence, moderate muslims have chosen to defer to the leaders issuing fatwahs and edicts from nations that view the US as imperialist invaders and respond with death edicts and fatwahs.

That is a problem.

The consequence is that moderate muslims are not meeting their obligation to the country that they live in in terms of public relations.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

The condemnation from the Muslim community has been worldwide and frequent.

Try reading.

Where's the US prime time press conference?

Dont avoid this simple question again.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by McSkillet

Where's the US prime time press conference?

Dont avoid this simple question again.

More irony gold from the Mane's resident chronic liar and evasion specialist.

Where is the prime time press conference??

I'm sure that now the networks have your demands they'll jump right on it.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by McSkillet

Why wont this happen? Because the minute that these folks go on record, in public, on television where Al Jazeera frequencies reach the darkest caves in the muslim world, they will become targets. Their lives become in jeopardy, especially when they set foot in the countries of their origin.

Here McLiar, educate your stupid self.

[elsid13]

Originally Posted by ThyNatural

Well tell us then Elsid, what defense contractor do you work for? Are you even American?

I don't work in private sector. My family has proud tradition of providing public service for over 60 years, little boy.

[Obushma]

Originally Posted by McSkillet

That point is well and good if you are an anti-imperialist, but we arent talking about imperialism here. We're talking about citizens of the United States on US soil.

No, we are talking about radical Muslims, who view our occupation as an invasion, that is why they attack us on our soil.

The idea of encouraging terrorism as a US citizen because people from your home country view the US as imperialist invaders should not be considered an acceptable or even reasonable position to hold here stateside. A person who wishes death upon their own citizens because of something happening in another country should not be considered a loyal American. Its one thing to disagree, its another entirely to encourage terrorism.

This Neocon position is not acceptable anymore Lama, remember, they hated us because of our freedoms. I don't think there is a single sane American that wishes death upon our citizens, they just realize our kids are dying for people like Elsid to make a lot of money. You bring our troops home from occupying Muslim nations, and we no longer have a terrorist problem in the United States, it's that simple.

In their relative silence, moderate muslims have chosen to defer to the leaders issuing fatwahs and edicts from nations that view the US as imperialist invaders and respond with death edicts and fatwahs.

Possibly, because we killed 66,000 of their brothers, sisters, wives, mothers, fathers, sons, and daughters, who were all innocent civilians. Then you got private contractors like Blackwater doing **** like this...



You think when people see **** like that everyday, who live over there, they don't become radical because of the **** we do? You can't be this blind.

That is a problem.

The consequence is that moderate muslims are not meeting their obligation to the country that they live in in terms of public relations.

No, the problem is, we can't help but to impose our will on other nations. We need to bring our troops home, and get our own house in order. How can you not understand the fact that we are considered invaders?

[Obushma]

Originally Posted by elsid13

I don't work in private sector. My family has proud tradition of providing public service for over 60 years, little boy.

So old man, are you an American?