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Old 10-27-2010, 09:44 AM   #1
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Default ESPN Rumor Central about McD???

I know these are usually fluff pieces, but got this tweet from Rumor Central, anyone have it that can fill us in? With Schefter being in the mix it may carry some wieght.



Josh McDaniels on thin ice, and @adam_schefter tells us the type of coach Pat Bowlen may replace him with http://es.pn/bvTx5s #nfl #broncos
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Old 10-27-2010, 09:48 AM   #2
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The chapter describing the Josh McDaniels era in the Denver Broncos' history books may be a short one. After rattling off six wins to start the 2009 season, the Broncos have gone 4-13 since, including an embarrassing home loss against the Oakland Raiders in Week 7.
On Wednesday, ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter offered his take on what could happen with this volatile situation:


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"There still is a lot of season left, particularly in a wide open division. Now, what Denver showed on Sunday was not promising in any way. And if that continues, then [owner Pat] Bowlen will have to go over candidates. Owners have had a habit of going away from what they had: Bowlen went from a proven head coach in Dan Reeves to an unproven head coach in Wade Phillips to a more proven head coach in Mike Shanahan to a less proven head coach in Josh McDaniels. If he makes a change, the guess would be he would go back to a more proven mind. But it's still way too early to tell."
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Old 10-27-2010, 09:49 AM   #3
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so basically, they are saying that if teh team doesnt get better through the rest of the season, that bowlen will have to look at different head coaches...and they charge people to read that? wow
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Old 10-27-2010, 09:49 AM   #4
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Meh, just writing for the sake of writing.
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Old 10-27-2010, 09:50 AM   #5
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Riveting.

In other news, I might bang Giselle tonight, but it's still too early to tell.
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I think it would be a big mistake. You can't evaluate a guy when most of his starting defense isn't on the field.
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Old 10-27-2010, 09:51 AM   #7
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Shefter has better sources in Denver than anybody.

read between the lines people. This is coming from Bowlen, not Adam Shefter.
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Old 10-27-2010, 09:53 AM   #8
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Fluff, like I thought. Thanks though.
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Old 10-27-2010, 09:54 AM   #9
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Riveting.
Really. Everyone including the water boy should be on thin ice.
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Old 10-27-2010, 09:55 AM   #10
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sure

yeah it's about what I expected
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Old 10-27-2010, 10:00 AM   #11
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Old 10-27-2010, 10:01 AM   #12
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I think it would be a big mistake. You can't evaluate a guy when most of his starting defense isn't on the field.
His starting "defense" was on the field last year. *shrugs*

Most of the changes made this year ARE on the field.
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Old 10-27-2010, 10:04 AM   #13
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Of course this was going to come out in some form after that mess on Sunday. Who knows if its bull**** or not. Not happy about the win-loss record for McDs either
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Old 10-27-2010, 10:07 AM   #14
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At this moment, I see no reason to hold on to the guy. This is the fact: right now, we lose nothing by cutting him lose. We're literaly on square zero. We have no idea if this offensive line is going to pan out. We have no idea if our running game is going to pan out. We have no idea if our QBOTF is going to pan out. We have no idea if our defensive strategy is going to pan out. We have nothing but question marks all over the field. More than we've had in a decade.

Here's fact number two: Josh owes it to Bowlen to prove why he should be given the chance to stick around. It's not the other way around. Bowlen doesn't owe it to Josh to give him three years. Josh has to earn that and right now he is failing.

There isn't a team on our schedule that we can't beat through the rest of the year. There should be no reason that we can't finish the season with at least 6 wins.

It's a sad day in Broncos land when I'm looking at 6 wins as the optimistic high water mark. Screw you Josh and your lose to Tom freaking Cable ways.
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Old 10-27-2010, 10:19 AM   #15
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At this moment, I see no reason to hold on to the guy. This is the fact: right now, we lose nothing by cutting him lose. We're literaly on square zero. We have no idea if this offensive line is going to pan out. We have no idea if our running game is going to pan out. We have no idea if our QBOTF is going to pan out. We have no idea if our defensive strategy is going to pan out. We have nothing but question marks all over the field. More than we've had in a decade.

Here's fact number two: Josh owes it to Bowlen to prove why he should be given the chance to stick around. It's not the other way around. Bowlen doesn't owe it to Josh to give him three years. Josh has to earn that and right now he is failing.

There isn't a team on our schedule that we can't beat through the rest of the year. There should be no reason that we can't finish the season with at least 6 wins.

It's a sad day in Broncos land when I'm looking at 6 wins as the optimistic high water mark. Screw you Josh and your lose to Tom freaking Cable ways.
I liked his 2010 draft. Not trading the Earl Thomas pick to Sea for A. Smith in 09, but still..... McDaniels knew he wanted Tebow, and he knew he could get him for sure late in the first. He had a plan that logically took into account the strengths and weaknesses of the draft, and he executed the plan. It took shanny a freaking decade to get there.

However, he gutted one of the top offenses in the league, and Den now has like the 2nd oldest or something roster in the league, and it's filled with ... journeyman talent. He's done less than nothing to address the flat out awful defense that Shanny left. Let's hope Bowlen still has enough brain cells working to hire a real talent evaluator guy who can give him some real advice on whether young guys like Cassius Vaugh, McBath, McBean, Beadles, Thompson, etc are really going to be capable of playing in playoffs. If they aren't, Bowlen's gotta pull the trigger sooner or later and it is better to get it over with.
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Old 10-27-2010, 10:23 AM   #16
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I think you guys need to realize that the soft lifestyle Denver has leads to soft football teams.
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What about this link: http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/blog?...26id%3d5732585

It might be the same fluff, but I'd be particularly interested in hearing how he answers the part about Pat Bowlen. I am really interested in 2 things: 1) His health and 2) His finances
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Old 10-27-2010, 10:24 AM   #18
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We need to send those guys to pick rock at Meck's ranch. That'll harden them up.
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Old 10-27-2010, 10:27 AM   #19
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I doubt that Bowlen feels any different about his team getting its ass kicked by the Raiders in our own house now, than he felt when Shanahan allowed it to happen. Some things are just not acceptable.
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Old 10-27-2010, 10:28 AM   #20
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Back to Greeley, you mofos!
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I doubt that Bowlen feels any different about his team getting its ass kicked by the Raiders in our own house now, than he felt when Shanahan allowed it to happen. Some things are just not acceptable.
Is it valid to wonder where Bowlen is at right now? Is he healthy? Is he still interested in owning this team? Is he managing (financially) to the possibility of a lockout?
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Old 10-27-2010, 10:34 AM   #22
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Bowlen will be just fine finance wise with a lockout.

http://www.nfllockout.com/2010/10/13...abor-strategy/

And he didn't give Lambchop or BM multimillion dollar bonuses to lock them up longterm.
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Bowlen will be just fine finance wise with a lockout.

http://www.nfllockout.com/2010/10/13...abor-strategy/

And he didn't give Lambchop or BM multimillion dollar bonuses to lock them up longterm.
Right, I guess was my question is two fold:
1) Was his decision to fire Shanahan and cut expenses the last 2 years related to the possibility of a lockout (at least in part)? See these two articles referencing how finances have been a big part of the new strategy since firing Shanahan:
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16077150
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16440005

2) Bowlen is not one of these Billionaire owners with cash flow coming from other ventures. Is he having cash flow problems? It's one thing to manage your team to salary cap, but it's a completely different thing to manager to cash. They are separate accounting systems. For example, bonuses are paid up front (cash immediately out the door) but are pro-rated against the cap. This question is important because it will impact how this team is run before and after any lockout. For example, would he fire McDaniels with 2 years remaining on a contract (and all the staff)?
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At this moment, I see no reason to hold on to the guy. This is the fact: right now, we lose nothing by cutting him lose. We're literaly on square zero. We have no idea if this offensive line is going to pan out. We have no idea if our running game is going to pan out. We have no idea if our QBOTF is going to pan out. We have no idea if our defensive strategy is going to pan out. We have nothing but question marks all over the field. More than we've had in a decade.

Here's fact number two: Josh owes it to Bowlen to prove why he should be given the chance to stick around. It's not the other way around. Bowlen doesn't owe it to Josh to give him three years. Josh has to earn that and right now he is failing.

There isn't a team on our schedule that we can't beat through the rest of the year. There should be no reason that we can't finish the season with at least 6 wins.

It's a sad day in Broncos land when I'm looking at 6 wins as the optimistic high water mark. Screw you Josh and your lose to Tom freaking Cable ways.
I felt this way after last years loss to the Chorfs.

things haven't changed much since
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Old 10-27-2010, 10:53 AM   #25
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No one is afraid of our team.
Everyone is making fun of us..
On the radio yesterday, there are comments like 'It looked like Denver was playing against Giants on Monday'.
These type of jokes i used to hear about teams like Lions and Raiders.
Mcd doesn't know what he is doing..We can't even convert 3rd/4th and Short.
I want Bowlen to fire Mcd Now..
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