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Old 10-20-2010, 09:00 PM   #1
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I researched the stat that 32 players never again saw an nfl roster from the roster McDaniels started with. Here is what I found.

Players that have been on a team since:
Brett Kern
Jay Cutler
Tony Sheffler
Peyton Hillis
Brandon Marshall
Chris Kuper
Ryan Clady
Ryan Harris
Daniel Graham
Spencer Larsen
DJ Williams
Champ Bailey
Marcus Thomas
Ryan Torain
Tyler Polumbus
Casey Wiegman
Ben Hamilton
Mario Haggan
Matt Prater
Wesley Woodyard
Jarvis Moss
Elvis Dumervil
Eddie Royal
Karl Paymah
Kory Lichtensteiger
Brandon Stokley
Dre Bly
Tim Crowder
Mike Leach
Anthony Alridge
Jack Williams
Niko Koutouvides
Erik Pears
Dylan Gandy
Kenny Peterson
Jamie Winborn

Players that left the NFL:
Boss Bailey
Tatum Bell
Cory Boyd
Nic Clemons
Keary Colbert
Ebenezer Ekuban
John Engelberger
Vernon Fox
Louis Green
Andre Hall
Chad Jackson
Darrell Jackson
Nate Jackson
Herana-Daze Jones
Calvin Lowry
Marquad Manuel
Marlon McCree
Chad Mustard
Michael Pittman
P. J. Pope
Jeb Putzier
Dewayne Robertson
Roderick Rogers
Cliff Russell
Josh Shaw
Nate Webster
Selvin Young
Edell Shepherd
Cecil Sapp


Here is where Xanders pointed this out: http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=93772
Here is where I got the majority of the out of the NFL list, BigPlayShay did the work: http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpos...4&postcount=45
Here is what I used to fill in those I didn't know: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?...nfl&id=3572022

The count that I got is 36 players that played in the NFL after the Broncos or are still with the Broncos. I only have 29 players on the list that hasn't played again. I'm not sure who is missing but I don't doubt the 32 number. I couldn't find very good sources since we had so many injuries that year. Some players don't show and some are different than nfl.com, like Cecil Sapp. http://www.nfl.com/players/cecilsapp...e?id=SAP597435

None of this really means much because roster turnover happens. This is especially true with the kind of scheme changes we saw on both sides of the ball. I am just countering claims like this, http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpos...1&postcount=21, and getting Shanahans back a little. There are only 18 cut from a 53 man roster, that never played again, if that 36 number is correct. That team just had a ton of injuries and a few guys that were probably cut early in the season.

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None of this really means much because roster turnover happens
then why post this? unless your an attention whore fair weather fan that just needs to go and root for the redskins
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Old 10-20-2010, 09:08 PM   #6
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then why post this? unless your an attention whore fair weather fan that just needs to go and root for the redskins
It was fun to break down and I figured I'd post my work since I said I would. I even got a couple of requests after saying I would. Sorry if you don't like it.
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Thanks. The guys at the bottom of both lists need checked. Some didn't come up on nfl.com player search right away and I just put them in the didn't play again category. I'll edit.
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Old 10-20-2010, 09:13 PM   #9
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It was fun to break down and I figured I'd post my work since I said I would. I even got a couple of requests after saying I would. Sorry if you don't like it.
If only you were sincerely sorry that you post here at all and just left
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Even if it were complete as is that's a hell of a list especially when you look at the starters and key subs on there that no other team wanted.
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None of this really means much because roster turnover happens. This is especially true with the kind of scheme changes we saw on both sides of the ball. I am just countering claims like this, http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpos...1&postcount=21, and getting Shanahans back a little. There are only 18 cut from a 53 man roster, that never played again, if that 36 number is correct. That team just had a ton of injuries and a few guys that were probably cut early in the season.
I'm sure Shanahan appreciates you getting his back. Can't let anyone slander that stacked '08 defense, can we now?

Also, the real problem with what McDaniels had to deal with when he came here is poorly expressed when viewed as an aggregate number. The real dilemma was that upon taking over this team McDaniels was left with only three NFL quality starters on defense, with many of the previous year's starters not even catching a cup of coffee in the NFL again and even more never getting a chance to start again.

That same problem propagated through to the special teams where we had serious questions at both parts of the kicking game (Prater looked absolutely awful that year) and the coverage/returns teams were fighting to be league worst.

Since that time we've seen the defense and special teams rebuilt to a solidly league average for both with the depth being composed of young talent as opposed to the many retreads Shanahan used to run through for backups.

Shanahan is a great coach, easily the greatest in Broncos history. He is the second best thing to happen to the Broncos (after Elway obviously, though for me personally TD comes in at a close third). But the tail end of his tenure here was not something fans should even try to defend. He didn't get the job done, primarily by never showing consistent commitment to defense. It is what it is. He got complacent and Bowlen made the right choice in moving on when that became apparent.
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Most of those names...just...wow...

Pittman was pretty decent in his time here though. Definitely brought a passion.
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How about colquit, has he locked up the punting position yet?
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They're bringing in some competition in camp.
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I'm surprised Darrell Jackson and Ekuban never got another shot. Ekuban was decent for us and Jackson was only a couple years removed from the pro bowl.
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Thanks for compiling, some of the morons on this site enjoy using false stats to attack Shanahan with for some reason
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I know there is a point to this thread...................I just dont know what it is.........
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Winborn is NOT on the Titans, he was cut.

Peterson is not on a team now.

Anthony Alridge? Seriously? He's not on a team now nor has he ever recorded an NFL stat.

It's not a very accurate list to be honest...Vernon Fox came back to the Broncos in 09 and helped play some ST... you'd know if you watched the Broncos...BUT...

The 3 players I listed above are not in the NFL right now and that's all that matters.

29+3=32.

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Pittman was pretty decent in his time here though. Definitely brought a passion.
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