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Old 10-06-2010, 02:07 PM   #1
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Our OL coach... worked under Gibbs in Atlanta in the mid 2000s before joining the Chargers in 2007. Before he signed on in SD, the Chargers rushed for 2600 yards at 4.9 a clip. In 2007 that production dipped to 2000 and 4.2 and in 2008 he finished murdering their rushing game and the result was 1700 yards at 4.1 a pop.

Why is he here? Imo, we should've gotten a real replacement after Dennison, not let his assistant do a piss poor job in another city.
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No joke I was looking at this today and thought about starting this thread! I was watching the game last night and thinking "they look poorly coached" and then noticed this. I'm not sure if it's the drills or what, but I definitely think position coaching should be looked at. We've seen this unit play better in all phases and they aren't getting it done. There is no urgency off the ball, they don't use their hands well, and there is a lack of tenacity.
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Our OL coach... worked under Gibbs in Atlanta in the mid 2000s before joining the Chargers in 2007. Before he signed on in SD, the Chargers rushed for 2600 yards at 4.9 a clip. In 2007 that production dipped to 2000 and 4.2 and in 2008 he finished murdering their rushing game and the result was 1700 yards at 4.1 a pop.

Why is he here? Imo, we should've gotten a real replacement after Dennison, not let his assistant do a piss poor job in another city.
The drop in San Diego has more to do with Marty not being there than the inept Norv Turner. Still guys track record is showing a marginal trend like you said.
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No joke I was looking at this today and thought about starting this thread! I was watching the game last night and thinking "they look poorly coached" and then noticed this. I'm not sure if it's the drills or what, but I definitely think position coaching should be looked at. We've seen this unit play better in all phases and they aren't getting it done. There is no urgency off the ball, they don't use their hands well, and there is a lack of tenacity.
Wondered about that, myself. I don't claim to be savvy enough to do a realistic OL positional breakdown of an NFL team, but it's easy enough to look at the sum of the moving parts and assume something is very wrong.
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Looking at the vid it's apparent the oline is not in sync and that they are slow off the snap. Their alignment is also questionable, but I've noticed that many NFL teams oline alignment is not very good. Still, this all points to lack of caring about detail and a very basic lack of sound fundamentals...
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Our OL coach... worked under Gibbs in Atlanta in the mid 2000s before joining the Chargers in 2007. Before he signed on in SD, the Chargers rushed for 2600 yards at 4.9 a clip. In 2007 that production dipped to 2000 and 4.2 and in 2008 he finished murdering their rushing game and the result was 1700 yards at 4.1 a pop.

Why is he here? Imo, we should've gotten a real replacement after Dennison, not let his assistant do a piss poor job in another city.
During your research did you happen upon the fact that while in San Diego he coached the tight ends, not the OL? Same job he did for us last year.

His last time coaching an OL was in 2004 for the Falcons, as you said under Alex Gibbs. The Falcons were the #1 rushing offense in the NFL that year.
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It's more to do with youth inside, Kuper and Clady not playing well, and Harris being injured.
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We know that Kuper and Clady can play at a very high level, Harris is just back from injury and can not be expected to be 100% yet, Daniels and Walton are both relative unknowns in terms of their NFL level, however it does look like the players are not performing individually and as a unit as well as they should.

I don't think we can really judge the offensive line for a couple of games because Harris does need a few games to his feet under him, but if it does not pick up significantly over the next 3 or 4 games it has to be coaching. We are not doing anything that looks too exotic or demanding out there so they should be able to deal with it.
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During your research did you happen upon the fact that while in San Diego he coached the tight ends, not the OL? Same job he did for us last year.

His last time coaching an OL was in 2004 for the Falcons, as you said under Alex Gibbs. The Falcons were the #1 rushing offense in the NFL that year.
Nice catch.

Very interesting. I just had assumed he was qualified for the job. Apparently I was way off!

And re: "coaching the Falcons OL". We all know it was Gibbs that season. And interesting that after Gibbs stopped coaching and became a consultant for the Falcons, Barone was immediately "demoted" to coaching the tight ends.

I feel even worse about this guy now, thanks for that.
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It's ok, i'm over it. The topic is what is important.

My take is that Barone is a Tight Ends coach that wanted to advance his career. He may have earned the chance at a promotion, but I don't know if he should keep it.

I personally think we have the talent to be a much better rushing team. I think Barone is not the teacher that Dennison was.
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To be fair there were MANY people that didn't think Dennison was very good at first either.

Not defending the guy or really commenting one way or another, just pointing out that you internet nitwits dont know ****.
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It's ok, i'm over it. The topic is what is important.

My take is that Barone is a Tight Ends coach that wanted to advance his career. He may have earned the chance at a promotion, but I don't know if he should keep it.

I personally think we have the talent to be a much better rushing team. I think Barone is not the teacher that Dennison was.
But... did he?

Did Richard Quinn's development from 2009 to now really warrant a promotion?
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But... did he?

Did Richard Quinn's development from 2009 to now really warrant a promotion?
When you polish a turd you end up with, yep, a turd.

Just saying.

Again not defending the guy or commenting one way or another, just pointing to an immutable fact.
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What I will comment on this topic on is that it is too early to judge our Oline coach's ability HERE in Denver considering the circumstances with the offensive line. When accounting for a bevy of injuries, and that not even Clady who is the least injured of the returning starters is 100% healthy yet, and that you have a rookie center, and a first year starter, it is, in my estimation, a bit unfair to judge the guy just yet.

Now I am not saying he is up to the task, and what is concerning is that IF Walton does have a tell and defenses are going to tee off on it, how come he hasn't seen it and corrected it? (The tell thing is speculation on my part but tennessee was getting off the ball way to easily and almost in perfect sync with the snap count. One guy, on a play here and there and that's good guessing. The entire defensive line for most of the game? The game is afoot dear Watson);
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What I will comment on this topic on is that it is too early to judge our Oline coach's ability HERE in Denver considering the circumstances with the offensive line. When accounting for a bevy of injuries, and that not even Clady who is the least injured of the returning starters is 100% healthy yet, and that you have a rookie center, and a first year starter, it is, in my estimation, a bit unfair to judge the guy just yet.

Now I am not saying he is up to the task, and what is concerning is that IF Walton does have a tell and defenses are going to tee off on it, how come he hasn't seen it and corrected it? (The tell thing is speculation on my part but tennessee was getting off the ball way to easily and almost in perfect sync with the snap count. One guy, on a play here and there and that's good guessing. The entire defensive line for most of the game? The game is afoot dear Watson);
I'll agree this could be a number of issues. Still, I'm concerned that he looks to be part of the problem and not part of the solution.
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I'll agree this could be a number of issues. Still, I'm concerned that he looks to be part of the problem and not part of the solution.
IF he is I am 100% certain McDaniels will upgrade the position with a better coach. But I also believe McDaniels will give him the benefit of the doubt considering the circumstances.
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if he is i am 100% certain mcdaniels will upgrade the position with a better coach. But i also believe mcdaniels will give him the benefit of the doubt considering the circumstances.
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Nice catch.

Very interesting. I just had assumed he was qualified for the job. Apparently I was way off!

And re: "coaching the Falcons OL". We all know it was Gibbs that season. And interesting that after Gibbs stopped coaching and became a consultant for the Falcons, Barone was immediately "demoted" to coaching the tight ends.

I feel even worse about this guy now, thanks for that.
He was an assistant OL coach with the Falcons, under Gibbs. Also under Jeff Jagodzinski, the official position coach who retained the same position in '05.

Barone in fact was apparently so impressive in just one season as an NFL assistant positional coach that the team felt completely comfortable with moving him to a full positional coach title of his own.

Of course that did follow up a collegiate career in which he was voted the 2002 D1A Offensive Line Coach of the Year by The National Offensive Line Coaches Association (i.e. a vote from his collective peers), while doing so he had a no name back at Houston place in the top 10 leading rushers for the year. And while coaching at Wyoming, that football stalwart, his offensive lines only gave up 35 sacks, in three seasons combined.

And yes, while at Wyoming and Houston he was both the OC and the OL coach.

When we see on tape the O line blatantly missing assignments its not time to point fingers at the coach. It starts with the players. Especially when 95% of the time our OL problems are the cause of a single player displaying catastrophic failure while the rest of the OL does their job. Then the next play its another OL failing while the guy who sucked last play does his job. The OL obviously knows their assignments for the most part because generally each player did his job. They just took turns being the guilty party on every play. With Daniels and Walton taking a disproportionately large share.

It only takes one defender in the backfield at the time of hand off to scuttle a run play.

Its Barone's job to coach out these mistakes and relay the necessary personnel changes needed, if he feels there are any, to McDaniels. But he gets a bit longer than a few weeks to iron them out when he's been adding a new offensive lineman on a near weekly basis to start the year.
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