"Christian" Right Goes After the Poor

[Rohirrim]

I'm always amazed at the contradiction. The Right sells itself (at least for the last thirty years) as the party of moral values and Christianity. I guess they haven't read this part of the Bible:

Deuteronomy 15:7 If there is a poor man among your brothers in any of the towns of the land that the LORD your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward your poor brother.

So far, the platform of the Right has been to fight for a continuation of tax cuts for the rich and to attack unemployment insurance and mortgage relief for those in need. Now, Gingrich takes it another step down and recommends the Right campaign openly against food stamps:

http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/the-ga...od-stamps.html

I wonder if the rich and powerful have not done their homework enough to understand the basic concepts behind the ideas of the social contract. The Right, at least the wealthy Right that pulls the strings, has now taken the "Greed is Good" ethos to its final expression. They look at it this way:

"I've got what I want. I can pay for my own kids' education. I can hire security guards for my house. I could pay for a private fire department, if I had to. I can pay for my own health care. My money is making me more money. Much of it is abroad. I don't need public transportation. I don't have any American employees I can't do without. Hell, I don't even have to live in this country anymore. Why should I pay their health care costs? Why should I pay taxes? Why should I chip in for anything or anybody else?"

What they don't take into account is history. When they take concerted actions to destroy the social contract by indulging in the "Let them eat cake" ethos, they will eventually come to the same startling conclusion that greedy bastards like them have stumbled onto throughout history: They are vastly outnumbered. Once the great swarms of people at the bottom of the economic pyramid realize that all the rules have been thrown out and there is no more contract to play nice, they may just decide that the law of the jungle works not only for the top tier. It can work in their favor as well, when they all join together and decide to take what they want.

The social contract is not a one-sided affair. The rich and powerful always forget that.

[TDmvp]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I'm always amazed at the contradiction. The Right sells itself (at least for the last thirty years) as the party of moral values and Christianity. I guess they haven't read this part of the Bible

I'm all for helping those who can't help themselves ... 3rd world countries and the sick and helpless here at home...

But as far for living here in the U.S. in most case if you are poor it's most likely your own fault and I'm sorry but that don't confront me.

Stupid and poor and helpless and poor is to totally different things.

and "Poor" in America is not "poor" like what you seem to be describing with the Jesus refs ... Tho I'm not religious really and could be wrong.

But it seems people a dying to get in here to be U.S. poor.



If you are suffering and helpless I'm all for protecting you but the number that is truly helpless pales compared to people like my 45 year old cousin who hasn't worked in 25 years because of his "bad back" and lives in a hud house and draws a government hand out check each month with his wife and gets free oxytocins from multi-able doctors so he can eat half and sell half to get some more drug money and to top it all off WHEN THEIR ONLY CHILD TURNED 18 they crap out another one to give themselves a pay raise...

[Smiling Assassin27]

Wow, Rohirrim giving a lesson on interpreting Scripture. This ought to go well. Oh, as I figured, it's just another 'tax cuts for the rich' strawman. Ah well, I'm sure that Bible class is coming soon.

Tell me, are ALL Christian right in the GOP? Answer: No. Tell me, are ALL Christian right in favor or tax cuts for the wealthy? Answer: No. Tell me, who exactly ARE the Christian right? Do they subscribe to a particular denomination or bible interpretation? Do they ALL oppose abortion? Answer: You don't know and would rather make pointless generalizations based on assumptions and wishful thinking. Man, are you lazy, Rohirrim.

Question: What's your definition of 'poor'? Is that definition arbitrary based on what you think or not? Does the food stamp program operate efficiently and does it meet its intended goal or is it a wasteful and crippling program that incentivizes economic hardship? You've made a TON of assumptions but provide no premises for the conclusion you've made. Lazy, lazy, lazy.

p.s. the author of your article basically says it's insensitive and bad form to go after this bloated, inefficient, and ineffective program in this time of economic hardship. Why? because it 'demeans the seriousness and complexity of the problem'. Huh? If anything, raising the issue to a presidential level elevates the discourse if political hacks like you and your author would only deal with the issues raised and not the sheer panic at the mere mention of reforming an entitlement program.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by TDmvp

But as far for living here in the U.S. in most case if you are poor it's most likely your own fault and I'm sorry but that don't confront me.

Try again. People are are born into poverty more than likely remain in poverty. For a lot of sociocultural and systematic reasons you probably aren't able to comprehend at this juncture if you're going to assess that people are poor because is their own fault.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

Wow, Rohirrim giving a lesson on interpreting Scripture. This ought to go well. Oh, as I figured, it's just another 'tax cuts for the rich' strawman. Ah well, I'm sure that Bible class is coming soon.

Tell me, are ALL Christian right in the GOP? Answer: No. Tell me, are ALL Christian right in favor or tax cuts for the wealthy? Answer: No. Tell me, who exactly ARE the Christian right? Do they subscribe to a particular denomination or bible interpretation? Do they ALL oppose abortion? Answer: You don't know and would rather make pointless generalizations based on assumptions and wishful thinking. Man, are you lazy, Rohirrim.

Question: What's your definition of 'poor'? Is that definition arbitrary based on what you think or not? Does the food stamp program operate efficiently and does it meet its intended goal or is it a wasteful and crippling program that incentivizes economic hardship? You've made a TON of assumptions but provide no premises for the conclusion you've made. Lazy, lazy, lazy.

p.s. the author of your article basically says it's insensitive and bad form to go after this bloated, inefficient, and ineffective program in this time of economic hardship. Why? because it 'demeans the seriousness and complexity of the problem'. Huh? If anything, raising the issue to a presidential level elevates the discourse if political hacks like you and your author would only deal with the issues raised and not the sheer panic at the mere mention of reforming an entitlement program.

And all your mental gymnastics boil down to the simple Right Wing formula: The poor are poor because it's their own fault so they can go **** themselves.

You are Right about the christianity of the Right, though. They use it when it works for them, and discard it when it doesn't. And then you have the old "prove they are poor" argument, also know as tobacco-industry-speak. The Right has torn down everything else in America, I guess we should be relieved that they finally got around to going after the poor. At least we can assume that will be their last target.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by TDmvp

...if you are poor it's most likely your own fault...

Wow. Millions of children living in poverty and thousands born into it every day in this country. And it's their fault. Such profound ignorance.

[Dukes]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Wow. Millions of children living in poverty and thousands born into it every day in this country. And it's their fault. Such profound ignorance.

I get it now, libs are trying to fight poverty with abortions.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by End of Silence

I get it now, libs are trying to fight poverty with abortions.

Erasing all doubt, eh? Like Lincoln said.

[cutthemdown]

I believe charity should be done individually, in groups, but not by the govt. It's not the govt job rho.

[cutthemdown]

Also religious people give far more money to charity then non believers.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

I believe charity should be done individually, in groups, but not by the govt. It's not the govt job rho.

We tried that. That was back in the 20s when old folks were dying under bridges and poor children in America starved to death.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by End of Silence

I get it now, libs are trying to fight poverty with abortions.

It would be funny if there wasnt truth to it. Abortion was originally an idea spread by people not only trying to eliminate the poor, but to eliminate specifically African Americans.

Margaret Sanger: "It is a vicious cycle; ignorance breeds poverty and poverty breeds ignorance. There is only one cure for both, and that is to stoop breeding these things. Stop bringing to birth children whose inheritance cannot be one of health or intelligence. Stop bringing into the world children whose parents cannot provide for them."


http://blackgenocide.org/sanger.html



Unbelievably, this woman is the founder of Planned Parenthood and has been venerated by several leftist organizations.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Also religious people give far more money to charity then non believers.

They also adopt more.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

We tried that. That was back in the 20s when old folks were dying under bridges and poor children in America starved to death.

That's the sort of world the right is trying to recreate.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Wow. Millions of children living in poverty and thousands born into it every day in this country. And it's their fault. Such profound ignorance.

Right-wingers are sociopaths.

[sirhcyennek81]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Wow. Millions of children living in poverty and thousands born into it every day in this country. And it's their fault. Such profound ignorance.

Well whose fault is it then? If you are poor, and do nothing to get out of that situation, then no one but you are to blame for it.

This is the mentality that is a problem today. No one in this country is OWED anything by anyone. Its not the white man's fault, its not capitalism's fault, its not a "racist, hegemonic" society's fault. Everyone is so ****ing quick to blame someone else for their problems.

"Im poor. You are rich. You are the reason I am poor, so I am going to b**** to my government to take YOUR wealth and give it to me so I can be better off. So what if I did not put the work in to earn that wealth, wont actually add to national wealth or prosperity and wont actually take the stolen from you money and use it to better my situation so I wont perpetually be taking from you to support myself. You owe me, if you tell me no, I will call you a racist."

[sirhcyennek81]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Deuteronomy 15:7 If there is a poor man among your brothers in any of the towns of the land that the LORD your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward your poor brother.

Scripture also notes that Jesus (you know...the dude in the New Testament) said the poor would always be with us. You apparently also missed the parables that if you teach someone to fish you feed them for life, rather then give them a fish piecemeal and forever to keep them fed. You do the poor a disservice to give them handouts without helping them fix their problem in the first place.

Jesus also never spoke of a social contract or stealing the wealth of the well off and just giving it to people who did not earn it. Only for a government is this legal. If I ran up on you and demanded you give me half of what you have in your bank accounts you would call the police because I attempted to rob you. Yet the government does it and its "social justice".

Go figure.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

Well whose fault is it then? If you are poor, and do nothing to get out of that situation, then no one but you are to blame for it.

According to right-wing Kool-Aid guzzlers like you, anyone who is poor must be that way because he is lazy, stupid, unwilling to work, etc.

Your attitude only exposes your cluelessness re: those less fortunate than yourself.

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

We tried that. That was back in the 20s when old folks were dying under bridges and poor children in America starved to death.

King of hyperbole.

[sirhcyennek81]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

According to right-wing Kool-Aid guzzlers like you, anyone who is poor must be that way because he is lazy, stupid, unwilling to work, etc.

Your attitude only exposes your cluelessness re: those less fortunate than yourself.

Reading comprehension fail.

I said "if they do nothing" then it is their fault. Hysterics aside you should read the post in full before you resort to name calling. And there is nothing wrong with kool aid. Its loaded with riboflavin.

[barryr]

If the liberals are really so concerned with helping the poor, then why doesn't Hollywood, which is 99% liberal, foot the bill since there is plenty of money there to go around? Seems odd those residing there like to tell others to give, but they don't or like to give to people in other countries instead. Talk about hypocrisy.

[TDmvp]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

Reading comprehension fail.

I said "if they do nothing" then it is their fault. Hysterics aside you should read the post in full before you resort to name calling. And there is nothing wrong with kool aid. Its loaded with riboflavin.

yea man it's the 2nd time today someone has said L.A.'s reading comprehension sucks ...

I really don't think he is that stupid he is just a spin doctor who takes anything anyone says and twist it to fit his own bull$hit.


People have said over and over in this thread ,sure protect the helpless but not the lazy but somehow they spin that into F em let em die....

Some people just don't think anything is their own fault or refuse to blame those who are lazy garbage for their own outcome.

Sorry if you are a adult and poor in America you just aint trying hard enough and have no one to blame but yourself.

As the child of someone who went from poverty as a child to a millionaire as a adult all on his own back I know it can be done ... and it don't take generations , you can go from poor to rich in one lifetime.

If you think different then you are weak and not willing to work for it and those are the people I don't care about ...


So for the last time for the stupid among us ...

Protect the helpless , $hit on the worthless.

We are talking about people like my cousin.

my 45 year old cousin who hasn't worked in 25 years because of his "bad back" and lives in a hud house and draws a government hand out check each month with his wife and gets free oxytocins from multi-able doctors so he can eat half and sell half to get some more drug money and to top it all off WHEN THEIR ONLY CHILD TURNED 18 they crap out another one to give themselves a pay raise

So if you want to help / protect those like my cousin the same way we help the truly helpless you are a fool and part of the problem ..

Because you will find many "poor" people who are JUST like my cousin.

It's a choice ... But you hand out loving Libs will never admit it.

[ghwk]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

Reading comprehension fail.

I said "if they do nothing" then it is their fault. Hysterics aside you should read the post in full before you resort to name calling. And there is nothing wrong with kool aid. Its loaded with riboflavin.

Ok name the socail programs that conservatives are going to fund that will teach them to fish? Aren't those exactly the types of services conservaites said they shouldn't pay for?

[Rohirrim]

Who is the Right appealing to by attacking the poor? Are they using the same code language Reagan used when he went after "welfare queens in Cadillacs?"

[TDmvp]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Who is the Right appealing to by attacking the poor?

I'm still waiting for someone to show me where/who someone is attacking the poor ...

Delusional much...




But you keep spinning Roh ...