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Old 10-05-2010, 04:16 AM   #1
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Kiszla: Broncos fans pine for Hillis


By Mark Kiszla
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Posted: 10/05/2010 01:00:00 AM MDT




At the risk of angering coach Josh McDaniels and offending families with small children, we dare to print the two dirtiest words in the Broncos' language:

Peyton Hillis.

So far in 2010, Hillis has gained 322 yards rushing for the Cleveland Browns and deducted 50 points from McDaniels' IQ.

Like Bigfoot, the 240-pound Hillis and his myth grow larger by the hour. Run, Peyton, run. He is the first good reason during the entire recorded history of man that Colorado has ever been envious of Ohio. We would gladly trade Longs Peak for Hillis, even up. Deal?

Most fair-minded Broncomaniacs admit McDaniels might have been correct for trading away Jay Cutler, don't miss Brandon Marshall as much as originally thought and now have trouble remembering what jersey number Alphonso Smith wore during his brief stint in Denver.

The sin of dumping Hillis, how- ever, is unforgivable.

In Cleveland, the peeps have made a folk hero of Hillis, breathlessly mentioning him in the same sentence as tough guys Larry Csonka, Earl Campbell and Chuck Norris. Since joining the Browns, Hillis has buckled his chin strap and run to infinity. Twice.

On a daily basis, when scanning my overflowing inbox for e-mail, two subjects are by far the most prevalent:

1) A generous stranger from a foreign land wants to give me $15 million (in U.S. dollars) and all he requires to process the transaction is access to my bank account.

2) A raging Broncomaniac demands to know if state law would allow a judge to declare McDaniels legally insane for letting Hillis go to the Browns.

Hate to break this to Broncomaniacs, but Hillis is already you. Feeling very much at home in a state that is more blue collar than blue skies, Hillis has told my friend Michael Arace of The Columbus Dispatch newspaper, "When I think of Cleveland, I think of me."

Funny, McDaniels rarely thought of Hillis at all. A year ago, Hillis got 13 carries for 54 yards. In Cleveland's victory against Cincinnati on Sunday, Hillis ran 27 times for 102 yards.

Through four games of this young season, Hillis is the NFL's eighth-ranked rusher for a weak Cleveland team. Knowshon Moreno, who leads the Denver ground game, ranks No. 42.

Of course, it's not all bad news for the Broncos' offense. Denver quarterback Kyle Orton leads the league in passing yardage. Teammate Brandon Lloyd awoke Monday morning trailing only Indianapolis star Reggie Wayne in receiving yardage.

So it appears that contrary to detractors who stubbornly believe McDaniels doesn't know how to draft or dress, the new Broncos coach does know more than a little about how to effectively throw the football.

But for a kid who grew up down the street from the Pro Football Hall of Fame, McDaniels acts as if he fell asleep the day his third-grade class memorized Vince Lombardi's speech on the power sweep. Run to daylight? The Broncos' running attack has fallen in a black hole.

Every time Orton turns and hands the pigskin to Laurence Maroney, there's such a stinking mess of humanity at the line of scrimmage it's an orgy of football incompetence.

"We are complicating the issue right now in the running game," McDaniels said. "I think we have to start to trust that the play is going to be blocked properly and then the runner has to find green grass. We have to eliminate the (defensive) penetration and start stringing together some plays that move the ball and keep the pressure off the passing game."

Dare I say Hillis has surpassed Tim Tebow as the most popular NFL athlete who doesn't play for the Broncos? Would it be foolish to predict at the next home game in Denver there will be season-ticket holders donning Hillis replica jerseys?

With election day in Colorado only four weeks away, gubernatorial candidates John Hickenlooper, Tom Tancredo and Dan Maes had better be glad of one thing.

Hillis isn't on the ballot.




http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_16254422




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Old 10-05-2010, 04:30 AM   #2
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I wish Hillis was still with us........
























......................becuase then he would get stuffed for -2 yards on every play behind our s***y run-blocking and people would stop talking about him..:-)
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......................becuase then he would get stuffed for -2 yards on every play behind our s***y run-blocking and people would stop talking about him..:-)
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Old 10-05-2010, 05:04 AM   #5
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Hate to break this to Broncomaniacs, but Hillis is already you. Feeling very much at home in a state that is more blue collar than blue skies, Hillis has told my friend Michael Arace of The Columbus Dispatch newspaper, "When I think of Cleveland, I think of me."

Funny, McDaniels rarely thought of Hillis at all. A year ago, Hillis got 13 carries for 54 yards. In Cleveland's victory against Cincinnati on Sunday, Hillis ran 27 times for 102 yards.


I was very frustrated when that trade happened.
Mcd..You did a blunder in trading Hillis.
Now, we are stuck with busts like Moreno and Maroney.
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Moreno > Hillis

If you think differently, then your football knowledge is weak.
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Old 10-05-2010, 05:23 AM   #7
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Hate to break this to Broncomaniacs, but Hillis is already you. Feeling very much at home in a state that is more blue collar than blue skies, Hillis has told my friend Michael Arace of The Columbus Dispatch newspaper, "When I think of Cleveland, I think of me."

Funny, McDaniels rarely thought of Hillis at all. A year ago, Hillis got 13 carries for 54 yards. In Cleveland's victory against Cincinnati on Sunday, Hillis ran 27 times for 102 yards.


I was very frustrated when that trade happened.
Mcd..You did a blunder in trading Hillis.
Now, we are stuck with busts like Moreno and Maroney.
He said the same PC crap in Denver.
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What a creative idea for a column, Kiszla! Great job, little guy!

Man, the media in this town is a mother****ing joke.
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Moreno > Hillis

If you think differently, then your football knowledge is weak.
how many 100 yards rushing does moreno have?
Added to that, he is always injured and soft.
Only in this site, posters have high value for moreno.
None of the teams doesn't care about him.
Let's see when our soft RB will play
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What a creative idea for a column, Kiszla! Great job, little guy!

Man, the media in this town is a mother****ing joke.
you are joke if you think trading hillis is correct.
I hate you guys that support the coach blindly.
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Moreno > Hillis

If you think differently, then your football knowledge is weak.
You'd eish pal.
How you would love that was true.
The fact of th matter, not even stats would support that statement.
Moreno is on the verge of being declared a bust at this point in his career...
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What a creative idea for a column, Kiszla! Great job, little guy!

Man, the media in this town is a mother****ing joke.
That's not enough.
Explain why?
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you are joke if you think trading hillis is correct.
I hate you guys that support the coach blindly.
Love for you to show me where I said that.

you are a joke because you are incapable of getting past Hillis leaving you.
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That's not enough.
Explain why?
Because the trade's been over for months now.

Because we're 2-2, just won on the road in a hostile environment against a good team, where we had to come from behind to win.

Because he's recycling column ideas over and over and over again, just like the other members of the sporting columnist crew in this town.

Is that enough explanation for you, strafen? Do you understand? Shall I continue?
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how many 100 yards rushing does moreno have?
Added to that, he is always injured and soft.
Only in this site, posters have high value for moreno.
None of the teams doesn't care about him.
Let's see when our soft RB will play
Moreno, 947 yards over the course of 16 games in one season.
Hillis, 719 yards over the course of 30 games in three seasons.
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It's funny wathcing many of the same people who used to complain about losing Cutler for Orton now move on to Hillis since we clearly "won" the Cutler trade. When the Hillis phenomenon levels off I wonder what their next line of attack will be? We'd be hearing the same moaning and groaning about Brandon Marshall if our WR's and passing game weren't doing so well.
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this is worse than the Jay Cutler BS actually

at least Jay actually did something here

I just don't see why it is so hard for fans to understand that Hillis is just fine when he is asked to do one thing, not so much when asked to be a complete player

he didn't fit here in the eyes of our coach folks, despite what anyone thinks it doesn't change anything

god damn this place is about unbearable
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Of course stats cannot support that statement.

Have you watched the Broncos play? Moreno is getting hit 2 yards behind the line. Both of these RBs fall forward. They're both good blockers and receivers... Moreno cuts quicker and, but Hillis gets more yards after the first hit. Moreno is more agile and has much, much better vision. Hillis just runs downhill... but he'd be in the same boat as Moreno statistically in the same system - getting hit 2yds before the line on every play.

The only way to compare the two is to put them both side by side in the same system with the same line. This was the case last year and Moreno clearly outperformed Hillis.
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this is worse than the Jay Cutler BS actually

at least Jay actually did something here

I just don't see why it is so hard for fans to understand that Hillis is just fine when he is asked to do one thing, not so much when asked to be a complete player

he didn't fit here in the eyes of our coach folks, despite what anyone thinks it doesn't change anything

god damn this place is about unbearable
This.

I wish people would shut up about Hillis.... actually is there any way to block threads with the word "Hillis" in the title?

Hillis is a decent power back with a fumble problem. Pass.

Lendale White > Hillis

And he was my adopt-a-Bronco in 2008.
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Moreno, 947 yards over the course of 16 games in one season.
Hillis, 719 yards over the course of 30 games in three seasons.
Wow... Twisting the facts a bit much aren't you?? How many games did hillis get at least 20 carries? Why don't you go by YPC or even how many games Moreno has gone over 100.
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Wow... Twisting the facts a bit much aren't you?? How many games did hillis get at least 20 carries? Why don't you go by YPC or even how many games Moreno has gone over 100.
You want to qualify the stats, and I'm twisting them?

Fact: Moreno was more valuable to this team last year than Hillis. Deal with it and move on.
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Here we go again....Boring!

"I love Hillis."

"I hate Hillis."

"I hate you!, *^@$%^&"

"I hate you more, &@^(*$!!"

Why do you start a thread about a player that you don't want to talk about? Why to you post in a thread about a player you don't want to talk about? Why do you argue or attempt to argue your point with people who don't want to hear it?
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how many 100 yards rushing does moreno have?
Added to that, he is always injured and soft.
Only in this site, posters have high value for moreno.
None of the teams doesn't care about him.
Let's see when our soft RB will play
Really?
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Of course stats cannot support that statement.

Have you watched the Broncos play? Moreno is getting hit 2 yards behind the line. Both of these RBs fall forward. They're both good blockers and receivers... Moreno cuts quicker and, but Hillis gets more yards after the first hit. Moreno is more agile and has much, much better vision. Hillis just runs downhill... but he'd be in the same boat as Moreno statistically in the same system - getting hit 2yds before the line on every play.

The only way to compare the two is to put them both side by side in the same system with the same line. This was the case last year and Moreno clearly outperformed Hillis.
Wait did you say Moreno has vision? Did you watch any games last season that's the main thing he had to work on coming into this season.

Right now the Browns got the better end of this trade if orton keeps playing like he's playing i could see the him being extended and us cutting ties with Quinn in the offseason
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You want to qualify the stats, and I'm twisting them?

Fact: Moreno was more valuable to this team last year than Hillis. Deal with it and move on.
I've moved on Hillis is gone but for you to use games played when you know Hillis didn't carry the ball or even played in half of them is stupid.

When you look at stats you can't say this guy has over 10 ypc but yet he's ran the ball one time as opposed to a guy carrying the rock 230 times and getting 4.5 ypc.

So in that regard YPC or games with both players carrying the ball over 20 times a game would be the better option
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