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Old 10-04-2010, 08:20 PM   #1
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Play 1: Sorry Khan, but Kuper gets beat this play. Daniels also gets driven back off the ball until he joins his teammate tackling Maroney nearly as soon as he takes the handoff.

Play 2: Gronkowski (the H-Back) does a nice job running off his trap man but Daniels gets stood up and Kuper fails to get his head across the defenders body, so those two converge on Maroney. Meanwhile, Clady takes a bad angle and wiffs on the LB comes down to finish the collision with a big hit. It would take a great play, an incredible Barry Sanders/LT like move - but I suppose Maroney could make a cut in the hole and run left.

Play 3: We may need to see more of this from the backs to have a chance to net positive yardage. Maroney takes the toss and begins to head up field but the Titans over pursue on the play and Maroney uses his vision to cutback and reserve field for a nice gain.

Play 4: This one might be on Orton. The safety comes down into the box and isn’t accounted for, Orton might need to check to a different play in this situation. The safety gets a free run at Maroney who tries to make the adjustment and shift left but the penetration is too quick and he’s caught by the shoelaces – although even if he were to break free, David Ball is right there to make the tackle at the LOS.

Play 5: Very good block on the play from Graham, at the top of the screen to seal one edge of the hole. Near the bottom of the screen, Clady does a nice job not letting his man clog the whole. The key to the play is Daniels who pulls and instead of blocking the LB decides to bear hug him. This obviously results in a holding call that brings the play back, but lets continue to watch as if Daniels blocked him legally. Maroney spots the hole well and explodes through. He demonstrates good vision to run off Royal’s hip and then squares his shoulders to deliver a blow to the Titans safety.

Play 6: This one’s on JD Walton. He and Kuper have a combo block on the DT before Kuper comes off the block to engage the LB. Harris does a decent job running his man wide but the DT destroys Walton – after a double team – to snag Maroney in the backfield.

Play 7: Another toss sweep, watch Daniels here. Instead of firing off the ball, he stands up and is pushed backwards by the DL. This forces Walton to stick on the same man, not allowing him to come off early and block the scraping LB. The two Titans then converge on Maroney behind the LOS. In short, the player assigned to be double teamed by Walton and Daniels makes the play – that can’t happen. Furthermore, the back has no chance to make a great move and beat that one defender because another defender is closing in to finish the play since your two OL couldn’t handle 1 DL.

Play 8: Bread and butter run play of McDaniels offense using his base (half) personnel of 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB. Out of the shotgun, all of the OL block down while the G pulls to kickout the trap man. Walton does a nice job sealing his man while Harris and Kuper properly doubleteam their man to help open the hole. Problem is, again, the one Titans DT splits Harris and Kuper which also throws off Daniels whose the pulling guard. Graham slips on the play as well preventing Maroney from making a Barry Sanders-like move to spin out and make something out of nothing.

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Old 10-04-2010, 08:28 PM   #2
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So in summary:

We couldn't block their guys, even when double teamed, and its rare for Stanley Daniels to not **** up in some way on running downs.
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Old 10-04-2010, 08:29 PM   #3
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Private video? Lame.
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Old 10-04-2010, 08:31 PM   #4
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I can't see the video something about a friend request.
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Can't watch the vid.
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Old 10-04-2010, 08:32 PM   #7
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But Hillis would have found a way to gain 10 yards on every play.
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Old 10-04-2010, 08:34 PM   #8
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Fixed the video.
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Old 10-04-2010, 08:37 PM   #9
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not possible, Dr. Broncenstein watched and concluded the oline was great and Stanley Daniels was awesome!

our oline blows at creating lanes, its so bizarre some around here still blame guys like Moreno

It really does seem like the people who blame Moreno and the backs are not actually watching the game and instead just glance at the stat sheet afterwords

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Its a testament to Moreno that he can average nearly 3ypc with blocking like that.
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Old 10-04-2010, 08:41 PM   #11
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Thanks Montrose for filming this and putting it up. It really helps the discussion a lot. What about the other three plays that he rushed on? Where they similar **** ups?
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Old 10-04-2010, 08:42 PM   #12
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Thanks Montrose for filming this and putting it up. It really helps the discussion a lot. What about the other three plays that he rushed on? Where they similar **** ups?
Probably, it was too painful to edit any more of that. Imagine how painful it was to be Maroney!
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Old 10-04-2010, 08:48 PM   #14
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I dont know if it's the design of the play or what, but on those sweep plays it looks like Daniels is just side stepping then because he is so upright and has no forward movement he is just catching the defending and getting put back on his heels even more. He is never in a athletic/powerful position.
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Imagine how painful it was to be Maroney!
Yup. As I mentioned in another thread, he's no world beater but last season he went 16-123-1 against Tennessee. He didn't suddenly forget how to play. It doesn't take a genius to figure out we have problems beyond the RB's when both he and Buckhalter, two very capable backs, can't do anything.
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Main thing I learned from that video is QB sneaks are our best bet to get past the line of scrimmage.
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Play 2: Gronkowski (the H-Back) does a nice job running off his trap man but Daniels gets stood up and Kuper fails to get his head across the defenders body, so those two converge on Maroney. Meanwhile, Clady takes a bad angle and wiffs on the LB comes down to finish the collision with a big hit. It would take a great play, an incredible Barry Sanders/LT like move - but I suppose Maroney could make a cut in the hole and run left..
Maroney should have slid off to the outside shoulder of 64. there was a whole between 64 and 89 and Maroney picked the wrong one.

There's not alot of space there but it's enough...
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Maroney should have slid off to the outside shoulder of 64. there was a whole between 64 and 89 and Maroney picked the wrong one.

There's not alot of space there but it's enough...
I agree, although he would've had to make a cut in the hole - which is really tough. Nevertheless, it was there - I don't think Maroney is a world beater by any stretch but I have a hard time believing many backs would be remotely productive behind that group right now.
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Old 10-04-2010, 08:56 PM   #19
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the oline is just big a slow, not a whole lot to say actually, big and slow...
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Old 10-04-2010, 08:56 PM   #20
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Great thread, appreciate the video. Hopefully there will be more of these...

That said, our line is just getting straight up served in every play on that video. Damn hard to succeed under these circumstances.
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good stuff.
Nope. That is bad stuff.
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oline play is all about timing and this oline has zero timing, it's slow off the snap and the players aren't finishing blocks...
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I wish Kupesdad would give his 2 cents worth, not to dog on anyone but he knows football,I think his analysis would be interesting too.
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I agree, although he would've had to make a cut in the hole - which is really tough. Nevertheless, it was there - I don't think Maroney is a world beater by any stretch but I have a hard time believing many backs would be remotely productive behind that group right now.
I think the defender knifing into the backfield and almost taking the handoff, will force runningbacks to make a decision too early.
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