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Old 10-04-2010, 05:29 AM   #1
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3. I think it's entirely possible Kyle Orton's better than Jay Cutler

The numbers, and the impact, don't lie.

I realize it might be an unfair day to make the comparison, but I'm not pitting Jay Cutler and Kyle Orton against each other on the basis of Orton's terrific road performance at Tennessee and on Cutler's feeble and concussed one in New Jersey Sunday night. This is about a body of work -- granted, not a deep body of work, but a 20-game stretch.

In the NFL, a 20-game sample is enough to make a valid comparison. And on the basis of 20 games, it's hard to argue that Chicago got the better of the Jay Cutler-for-Kyle Orton deal. Forget the ancillary parts of the deal; Denver has not drafted well, and I'm not doing this item to get into the value of the two first-round picks and the third-rounder (which turned into Mike Wallace for the Steelers) acquired by Denver in the deal. Denver didn't do a good job with those picks, but I'm just talking Cutler for Orton. And after Orton's 341-yard performance in the 26-20 win over the Titans, I thought it would be a good chance to take a 20-game look at the two passers. I was surprised by what I found.



Through the first four weeks of the 2010 season, Orton's 1,419 passing yards leads the NFL; Cutler is 507 yards behind him.

As I remember the April 2009 trade, I'll never forget Denver coach Josh McDaniels telling me he wished Cutler just gave him, and his offense, a chance. "He'd have loved it,'' McDaniels said. "I think any quarterback would love it.''

Cutler got the change of scenery he wanted, but he struggled under offensive coordinator Ron Turner last year, and he's being plagued by terrible protection issues under new coordinator Mike Martz this year; he was sacked nine times and suffered a concussion Sunday night against the Giants.

How long will Cutler have Martz to work with? Who knows? Martz doesn't stay in one coordinator's job very long -- two years in Detroit, one in San Francisco and one now in Chicago. Then again, if the Broncos continue to flame out, Denver owner Pat Bowlen could make a change at head coach, but he's likely to give McDaniels at least one more year.

Quarterbacks under McDaniels have to be smart, because McDaniels gives them so much latitude to change plays, both in the meeting rooms and on the field. Orton's very quiet, but I've witnessed him (last May) in meetings changing little things to make it easier to recall and call plays.

You'll recall this was supposed to be a lopsided deal favoring the Bears. It's not every day you have the chance to get a franchise quarterback in his prime, still young enough to give you six or seven seasons. It's still very early, and we don't know if Orton can keep it up. He's going to have Tim Tebow breathing down his neck in a few months, I'd guess. But he's outplaying Cutler right now. When a quarterback is more accurate and has the better average per pass attempt, that means he's moving the chains and getting ball downfield. Right now, Orton's better at both.

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4. Kyle Orton, QB, Denver. Averaging 355 passing yards a game. He accounted for all but 19 yards in the Broncos' win at Tennessee.

2. I think this is what I didn't like about Week 4:


a. Nomination for worst game of the week by a player on a winning team: Laurence Maroney, running back, Denver. Incredible that the Broncos paid a fourth-round pick, in part, to acquire this back who can't make something from anything but big holes. His day at Tennessee: Eleven carries for five yards, two receptions for 10 yards.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...4/week4/2.html

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Old 10-04-2010, 05:46 AM   #2
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Peter King: I don't want this to be another Bronco bashing piece, but I'll do my best to turn it into one anyway, even just a little.
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Old 10-04-2010, 05:51 AM   #4
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Damn. Did McDaniels recently steal King's favorite coffee mug or something? What's with all the little digs against him and the Broncos?

Didn't draft well? From another thread:

Orton
Ayers
Thomas
Decker
Part of Quinn
Part of Tebow


Even without Orton, I would take that draft haul any day straight up for Baby Jay. Hell, Ayers and Thomas have chance to be special players; that alone is worth more than that dick QB.
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Old 10-04-2010, 06:21 AM   #5
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Damn. Did McDaniels recently steal King's favorite coffee mug or something? What's with all the little digs against him and the Broncos?

Didn't draft well? From another thread:

Orton
Ayers
Thomas
Decker
Part of Quinn
Part of Tebow
I forgot Seth Olson, so it should be a part of him too.
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Old 10-04-2010, 06:21 AM   #6
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Damn. Did McDaniels recently steal King's favorite coffee mug or something? What's with all the little digs against him and the Broncos?

Didn't draft well? From another thread:

Orton
Ayers
Thomas
Decker
Part of Quinn
Part of Tebow


Even without Orton, I would take that draft haul any day straight up for Baby Jay. Hell, Ayers and Thomas have chance to be special players; that alone is worth more than that dick QB.
Yeah, he probably just glanced at the stats and saw that Ayers only has one sack. He's been a beast against the run so far. Someone should send a letter to his mailbag to point out how ignorant he is.
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Old 10-04-2010, 06:28 AM   #7
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All Ayers is... is our best run stopper that just held CJ2k to CJ53.

Peter King again shows the ignorance of anyone trying to follow 32 teams, you're not going to get deeper than skimming the stats for most games.
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this is just pure ignorance, nothing more.
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"Then again, if the Broncos continue to flame out, Denver owner Pat Bowlen could make a change at head coach, but he's likely to give McDaniels at least one more year."

Continue to "flame out?" Uh, Pete buddy, the Broncos are 2-2 in a league where only the Chiefs are undefeated. You should look at this thing called "The Standings."
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I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that he thinks the 1st that we traded to get Smith was part of the haul from the Bears.
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He accounted for all but 19 yards in the Broncos' win at Tennessee.
Actually he accounted for 11 of those 19 yards as well, he outgained the RBs combined on the ground, so only 8 yards were gained by the offense that Orton didn't get, he accounted for 97.8% of the offensive yards we gained yesterday.
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Um, thank you? Peter? King?
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"Then again, if the Broncos continue to flame out, Denver owner Pat Bowlen could make a change at head coach, but he's likely to give McDaniels at least one more year."

Continue to "flame out?" Uh, Pete buddy, the Broncos are 2-2 in a league where only the Chiefs are undefeated. You should look at this thing called "The Standings."
Well 10-10 when the team was 24-24 the 3 prior seasons is flaming out.
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He's spot on about Maroney. That guy doesn't run to daylight, he runs to pile-ups.
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...it's hard to argue that Chicago got the better of the Jay Cutler-for-Kyle Orton deal. Forget the ancillary parts of the deal; Denver has not drafted well, and I'm not doing this item to get into the value of the two first-round picks and the third-rounder (which turned into Mike Wallace for the Steelers) acquired by Denver in the deal....
Its amazing that the guy can write how this is just a straight up comparison of Orton for Cutler....and yet people still have this need to focus on the other parts.

Straight-up QB for QB..and this trade looks just fine for the Broncos right now.
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"Then again, if the Broncos continue to flame out, Denver owner Pat Bowlen could make a change at head coach, but he's likely to give McDaniels at least one more year."

Continue to "flame out?" Uh, Pete buddy, the Broncos are 2-2 in a league where only the Chiefs are undefeated. You should look at this thing called "The Standings."
Im positive he's referring to the 6-0 start and the 2-8 finish last year as well as the numerous late-season collapses that the Broncos have had since Elway hung up the uniform.
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this is just pure ignorance, nothing more.
Man...the dude writes an opinion piece that challenges assumptions that Cutler is better than Orton (popular opinion) to make a point about Orton, and all you guys can do is cry about a little sand kicked in your female parts?

McD certainly hasnt been exactly frugal with his draft picks. I dont fault King at all for mentioning that. But thats not what the article was about. If he did write about that, I imagine a flaming case of vaginal herpes would strike this place and bring it to its knees.
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Man, we really need to draft a RB. Make that a priority McDs
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He's already spewing BS about how Orton whines in the other thread
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It's simple. The claim that we haven't "drafted well" is just incredibly stupid. The most recent draft is shaping up as maybe the best overall draft in the history of the franchise. With Moreno, Ayers, McBath, and Bruton from the year before.. well I'm pretty damn happy with what this team has done.
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Man, we really need to draft a RB. Make that a priority McDs
What we need is a fast as hell RB. Someone who can bump to the outside and reach holes quicker since our O-Line can't create them very often let alone sustain them.
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It's simple. The claim that we haven't "drafted well" is just incredibly stupid. The most recent draft is shaping up as maybe the best overall draft in the history of the franchise. With Moreno, Ayers, McBath, and Bruton from the year before.. well I'm pretty damn happy with what this team has done.
Thats quite hyperbolic, dont you think? None of these players have accomplished anything. I see you conveniently have forgotten the head-scratchers including the Great Fonz and the first rounder that never was, and the UnMighty Quinn. Those extra pics didnt materialize out of thin air either...they were a result of questionable trades.

That draft doesnt compare favorably against either 2006 or 2008.

A little levity would go a long way for you.
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Thats quite hyperbolic, dont you think? None of these players have accomplished anything. I see you conveniently have forgotten the head-scratchers including the Great Fonz and the first rounder that never was, and the UnMighty Quinn. Those extra pics didnt materialize out of thin air either...they were a result of questionable trades.

That draft doesnt compare favorably against either 2006 or 2008.

A little levity would go a long way for you.
Wrong draft. He's talking about the Thomas, Tebow, Decker, Beadles, Walton draft. Still a little early to say the least though.
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