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Old 10-03-2010, 01:39 PM   #1
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Default Long-time fans: Is this the worst run-blocking you've ever seen?

Great win, and this thread isn't meant to take away from it. There was a lot to be excited about today. However...

In over 30 years of watching the team, I haven't seen anything this bad that I can remember.

Clearly, Maroney is no world-beater, but this now makes three backs who can't manage to get to the line of scrimmage without 2-3 defenders hanging all over them.

Something has to change up front. Whoever is truly coordinating these guys has to change some things up, or get some new players in there.

I've just never seen anything like it. We just can't open up a running lane... ever.

Curious to hear from some of the top-flight posters around here as to what may be the issue up front. Until today, the pass protection has been good. So, they're doing some things right. But, we've got to fix this if we want to have any chance of a respectable season.
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Old 10-03-2010, 01:41 PM   #2
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We run blocked?
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Old 10-03-2010, 01:43 PM   #3
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Was planning to start a similar thread later when things have calmed down from the euphoria of the win.

It's truly amazing how bad the run blocking is, at one point out there Maroney had 7 carries for -4 yards. We were deep into the second half and had one running play where we gained yardage, the rest were stuffs or losses.

Never seen run blocking this bad from ANY team in my time watching the NFL.
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It literally looks like they're running a Madden FG-block, jail-break run-blitz on every run play. Even when there's 3 man fronts.
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The best was when Daniels whiffed AND held the guy who made the tackle BEHIND the LOS.

How do you do that?
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We got away with one today, 19 yds rushing isn't going to cut it the rest of the season.
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This is the worst I have seen. I have been an avid Broncos fan since '84.

A bad run game gets you 50 yards a game.

This one...

This one may be worse than that.

Its not just the bad run blocking between the tackles, its the backs as well. I have never seen a back as unaware of the movement on the line as Moroney. Its hard to believe that the Patriots didnt give us a 4th round pick to take him.

Moreno, though nowhere near as bad as Moroney, is also less-than-instinctive about finding holes. Moreno's problem is that he cant get past the second level. Its disappointing for a player who was so explosive in college. He cant juke a safety or LB at this level right now.
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Was planning to start a similar thread later when things have calmed down from the euphoria of the win.
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People should be euphoric about this win! We beat a tough team on the road today, plaing short-handed. There was more to be positive about than negative, for sure.

It just occurred to me that I may have never seen this team have so much trouble running the ball, and I'm talking all the way back to the early Reeves era.

But, make no mistake... there were a ton of positives out there today.
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Kyle Orton doesn't care about run blocking. All he needs is his right arm and a bottle of jack.
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not a "long time" fan, but this is the worst run blocking I have ever seen
the way our guys can stand up pass rushers(although not today), but get blown back on run plays doesnt seem to match my current understanding of the laws of physics

I am just confused how one player can hold a guy off on a pass play then said player on a run play will get knocked backwards over and over again

Stanley Daniels is garbage, Beadles should be in there

oh and its all Moreno's fault
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who do we blame for the run blocking popps?
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Been a fan since the Reeves day, and yes, this is about the worst rushing efforts I can recall.

A win is a win, but it will be rare and very lonely if we don't fix the rushing game.
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By far. McD changed the entire philosophy of the team on the line.. and this is the result. Now.. it MIGHT turn out ok, once we get it ironed out. But you can't go from a small, cutting line, to a bunch of (injured) sacks of meat, and expect it to go too smoothly. I am actually not totally against it... I never liked the idea that we played "dirty" to get our running game going. But hopefully we'll turn it around. I'd rather be called dirty now and then, than have such anemic, pathetic rushing attempts. Just the worst running game I've seen in ages.
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not a "long time" fan, but this is the worst run blocking I have ever seen
the way our guys can stand up pass rushers(although not today), but get blown back on run plays doesnt seem to match my current understanding of the laws of physics

I am just confused how one player can hold a guy off on a pass play then said player on a run play will get knocked backwards over and over again

Stanley Daniels is garbage, Beadles should be in there

oh and its all Moreno's fault

Today made it even more clear that we need Moreno back on the field. Now, I doubt he can run much better without any blocking, but he certainly is an improvement over what was out there today.

Things have to change. Something has to be done up front. It's not just bad, it's confusingly bad. It's hard to even comprehend.

How can we through for 350 a week, and there are still 3 guys in our backfield on every running play?

Get it fixed.
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Maroney is very hesitant in the backfield.

Our interior doesn't push people off the line.

Schemes don't matter, we ran a ZB play and a defender was in the backfield and nearly decapitated Maroney.

It's down to coaching and consistency along the line even though Kuper and Harris were back.
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Has to be. Ive never seen so many 4 yard losses in one game
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Maroney is very hesitant in the backfield.
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But, wouldn't you be hesitant if your running lane had 3 guys in it?

I'd understand if there ever appeared to be any semblance of a lane.
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Old 10-03-2010, 01:54 PM   #19
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We probably need more time on this thread.

Curious to see what good analysts like Mediator and SoCal have to say after breaking down the game again.
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I believe at one point in the game Maroney had 7 carries for -4 yards

That should not even be possible if you are using actual NFL players, no way an offensive line should get owned that bad
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Maybe we should go back to ZBS since this isnt working at all.
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It has to be the scheme.

Can you TELEGRAPH running plays because teams are just blowing up everything.

And when the Broncos do get a big (10 yards) play, it's usually because of holding.
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Put it this way - our D made CJ look like Moreno today. I mean, even Sammy Winder had a higher YPC, right?
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You've been trying hard to sell this "our OL is terrible" to anybody who cares to listen.

We've had two years to fix it. We still have talent all across our OL.
What we don't have is talent at running back.

You've gotta realize that this is Mcdaniels way of doing things.
We have a plethora of WR's who are very good, but Mcd neglected our running game.
We have a running game, we just don't have a running attack...
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