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Old 10-03-2010, 03:58 AM   #1
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Backfoot Jay was overdue to have wins bounce his way.

Everybody knows Backfoot Jay from the game Monday night. Jay Cutler not only threw pass after pass off his back foot, but off his backpedal dropback in the Chicago Bears' fortuitous win against the Green Bay Packers.

To think of all the guff Tim Tebow takes for his unusual throwing mechanics. Tebow's release is instructional-film- caliber next to Backfoot Jay's deliveries.

Cutler's fundamentals weren't that bad when he was playing for the Broncos from 2006-08, were they? They were never good — he did throw off his back foot on occasion — but he has seemingly regressed.

"He obviously has confidence in his arm strength, but when you're throwing off your back foot, you lose half your accuracy," former Broncos quarterback John Elway said. "They're going to win some games like they did Monday night, but in the long run they're never going to be as good as they should be because, technique-wise, he won't set his feet and put the ball on the money."
Cutler is exciting to watch, no doubt. His arm is strong enough that he often gets away with his sloppy deliveries.

And after eight consecutive nonwinning seasons, including college, maybe fate decided to cash in his breaks all in one season. Between the Calvin Johnson no-touchdown controversy in the opener, when the Lions appeared to have won the game, and Cutler's picks-that-weren't against the Packers, this has the makings of a magical Bears season.

That doesn't alter the fact this nation has hundreds of Turkey Bowl throwers who display better fundamentals than Cutler.

"You can't argue with 3-0," Elway said. "And as many bad plays as he makes, he still makes special plays that a lot of guys can't make."

During his 16-year playing career with the Broncos, Elway was a quarterback who could fling it like no one else, not even Jay Cutler. Know why? Because no quarterback ever put more legs, rump and body into his throws. Elway was the Nolan Ryan of NFL throwing mechanics and velocity.and body into his throws. Elway was the Nolan Ryan of NFL throwing mechanics and velocity.
But even though he's a former quarterback, Elway believes the Broncos' offense is way too pass-heavy. Kyle Orton and the Denver passing game rank first in the NFL, while the running game ranks last in yards per carry.

"Kyle's having a great year and doing a great job between the 20s," Elway said. "I think with the problems they've had in the red zone and with the running game, I think those two things go hand and hand. As that field gets more compact and there's less room to throw the football, that's where it's important for them to have the running game."

On Orton's play, Elway said: "We've talked about his second year under his belt with the system, but the other thing I look at, and what people don't realize, is how much he's answered the bell. They brought Brady Quinn in, and they draft Tebow in the first round, and Kyle's career was kind of in the fold there. He either had to buck up and come out and play better and compete and do what he's doing now, or go the other direction. I'm impressed with the way he's competed and put his mind to it."

On Broncos coach Josh McDaniels announcing this past week he would not use Tebow in short-yardage situations: "They did not bring Tim Tebow in here to be a short-yardage back. Everybody's anxious to see what he can do, but this is what Josh had in his plan.

"It takes a lot of time to add a system within the system trying to fit it to one guy. After they did it that first week when they had a few weeks to get a package in there for Tim, now that they're into the season, they don't have a lot of time to get those in."

Elway is promoting the Ultimate Fan Challenge, in which the winner gets to take three people to London to not only watch the Broncos take on the San Francisco 49ers on Oct. 31, but watch the game with Elway and have dinner with him the night before.

"It's the fans who make the NFL, so I always look forward to getting to meet them and feeding their passion for the NFL," Elway said. "Hopefully, the winners are Broncos fans, but if not, we'll still have a great time."

Here's how it works: Take a picture worthy of winning an Ultimate Fan contest. The picture has to include a bottle or can of Pepsi Max. Send it to NFL.com/PEPSIMAX.

Imagine talking football with this guy over fish, chips and a pint of ale. I mean, Pepsi Max.


Michael Vick, QB, Eagles

What's up: Rushed for 103 yards off the bench in the opener, then threw for 575 yards and five touchdowns with no interceptions in the next two wins. Plays against the Washington Redskins today in the hyped return of former Eagles QB Donovan McNabb.

Background: Vick is a former No. 1 pick who had four explosive seasons among his six years with the Atlanta Falcons. Passed for career-high 20 TDs in 2006, when he also became first QB in NFL history to rush for 1,000 yards. He then spent nearly two years in prison for funding a dogfighting ring and, upon his return to the NFL last year, played sparingly behind McNabb in Philly.

Klis' take: I'd say the Eagles got lucky to have the new and vastly improved Vick, but coach Andy Reid has been too good for too long to believe this was an accident. No one knew it at the time, but McNabb was a lame-duck QB last season.

ON THE HOT SEAT

Pressure mounts on Singletary

Who: Mike Singletary, coach, 49ers

When: 11 a.m. today at Atlanta

Why: The preseason consensus choice to win the NFC West, the 49ers are 0-3 with losses to Seattle and Kansas City by a combined 46 points. Singletary fired offensive coordinator Jimmy Raye this week, and deservedly so, because the talented 49ers' offense has badly misfired, ranking No. 31 with 12.7 points per game. But defense is Singletary's responsibility, and the 49ers are tied for last by allowing 29.0 points per game.

THREE UP

1. Steelers: How to go 3-0 without Big Ben? Defense ranks No. 1, allowing 11.0 points per game.

2. Chiefs: Throwback team: tied for No. 2 in points allowed (12.7); No. 1 in rushing (160.7).

3. Falcons: Outrushed the Saints 202-43 in the Superdome.

THREE DOWN

1. Redskins: Shanny's team ranks 32nd in total defense (423.7 yards per game).

2. Jaguars: David Garrard against Broncos: 3 TD, 0 INT, 138.9 rating. Garrard in next two games: 1 TD, 5 INT, 34.9 rating.

3. Giants: Rank No. 10 in total defense (306.0 yards) but No. 30 in scoring defense (28.3).

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16238727

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During his 16-year playing career with the Broncos, Elway was a quarterback who could fling it like no one else, not even Jay Cutler. Know why? Because no quarterback ever put more legs, rump and body into his throws. Elway was the Nolan Ryan of NFL throwing mechanics and velocity.



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Jay's up in the top tier of passing despite the fact that he has hardly any time to throw the ball and really poor receivers to throw to. Him throwing off his back foot has to do more with him not having much time to throw vs. poor mechanics. Anybody with half a brain knows this. It's just the facts, like Chicago being 3-0 w/ Jay at QB.

I doubt they can keep this up though. Eventually Jay's going to have to step into one of these throws and one he does, he's probably going to break a finger because of their **** blocking and two, three or four guys in his face at all times.
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Jay's up in the top tier of passing despite the fact that he has hardly any time to throw the ball and really poor receivers to throw to. Him throwing off his back foot has to do more with him not having much time to throw vs. poor mechanics. Anybody with half a brain knows this. It's just the facts, like Chicago being 3-0 w/ Jay at QB.

I doubt they can keep this up though. Eventually Jay's going to have to step into one of these throws and one he does, he's probably going to break a finger because of their **** blocking and two, three or four guys in his face at all times.
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Jay's up in the top tier of passing despite the fact that he has hardly any time to throw the ball and really poor receivers to throw to. Him throwing off his back foot has to do more with him not having much time to throw vs. poor mechanics. Anybody with half a brain knows this. It's just the facts, like Chicago being 3-0 w/ Jay at QB.

I doubt they can keep this up though. Eventually Jay's going to have to step into one of these throws and one he does, he's probably going to break a finger because of their **** blocking and two, three or four guys in his face at all times.
Is there a recommended way to lose half of your brain so as to understand this?
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but but but all the fat slobs on here told me that Jay Cutler is way better than Orton. those fat slobs know more than John Elway about being an NFL QB right?
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Baja, your MO is to post smear pieces on former players you don't like now and insinuate that they enjoy throwing off their back foot?

Let's just keep this real: This post is just more of the same stuff you're throwing out there to keep former players in the topics and less about your buddy McD who is failing out on the field right now. True or false? In that regard, I don't really blame you. This squad is about to be on the short-end of 1-5, 2-4 pretty quickly and you'll be pressed into action again in defense of McD.

I'm not even sure if Tebow can save him now.
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Him throwing off his back foot has to do more with him not having much time to throw vs. poor mechanics.
No one is forcing him to throw the ball dip ****. There are ways to avoid throwing the ball off your back foot... you think coaches will blame the oline for Jay Cutler throwing off his back foot? You think a coach should get pissed at the oline for Cutler throwing off his back foot? Maybe Shanahan did, and possibly that's what turned Cutler into who he is.

The only people not putting the blame on Cutler for throwing off his back foot is the fans.

It's a collective effort, if he isn't getting enough time then he should get rid of the ball faster. Coaches probably know this. There are also many situations where Cutler holds onto the ball too long, the rush comes through, and then he throws off his back foot.

As dumb as you are, you added +100 points of stupidity for taking the blame off Cutler for throwing off his back foot.

John Elway would probably b**** slap you.

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Let me add,

Did you watch the Packers last year? Did you see their oline? IF you did, you wouldn't be saying the ignorant **** that you're producing right now.

Aaron Rodgers got sacked 50 times last year and Cutler got sacked 35 times.

That's a huge ****ing difference in case you were missing "the other half" of your brain.

Rodgers threw 7 ints, where as Cutler threw 26.

The year before, Cutler was sacked only 11 times and still managed to throw 18 ints.

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Jaguars: David Garrard against Broncos: 3 TD, 0 INT, 138.9 rating. Garrard in next two games: 1 TD, 5 INT, 34.9 rating.
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Matt Hasselbeck

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20/35 1 TD 3 ints 233 yards 51.3 QB rating

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37/55 390 yards 3 TDs 2 ints 90.7 QB rating

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Let me add,

Did you watch the Packers last year? Did you see their oline? IF you did, you wouldn't be saying the ignorant **** that you're producing right now.

Aaron Rodgers got sacked 50 times last year and Cutler got sacked 35 times.

That's a huge ****ing difference in case you were missing "the other half" of your brain.

Rodgers threw 7 ints, where as Cutler threw 26.

The year before, Cutler was sacked only 11 times and still managed to throw 18 ints.

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Matt Hasselbeck

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37/55 390 yards 3 TDs 2 ints 90.7 QB rating

An idiot because I posted a line in the article that caught my attention?

Isn't that a bit harsh?
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An idiot because I posted a line in the article that caught my attention?

Isn't that a bit harsh?
Relax bruh, I didn't quote you.

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An idiot because I posted a line in the article that caught my attention?

Isn't that a bit harsh?
Just ignore him.
He's more about insulting people and posting stupid gif that reveal his maturity level.
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Baja, your MO is to post smear pieces on former players you don't like now and insinuate that they enjoy throwing off their back foot?

Let's just keep this real: This post is just more of the same stuff you're throwing out there to keep former players in the topics and less about your buddy McD who is failing out on the field right now. True or false? In that regard, I don't really blame you. This squad is about to be on the short-end of 1-5, 2-4 pretty quickly and you'll be pressed into action again in defense of McD.

I'm not even sure if Tebow can save him now.
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Nice thread Baja. To me mechanics aren't a big issue until they become a big issue. Cutler's mechanics last year were an issue. The year before in Denver they were an issue. The issue in Denver was that he did have time to set up properly and make the right throws. In Chicago last year he didn't have time to set up and still try to make the throws. The big difference this year which takes all the mechanics issues and makes them somewhat irrelevant is Cutler is making the right decisions. I've watched one full game and half of another. No change in his mechanics. No change in the old throw across your body and across the field (no-no), but the decisions have been much better. The only INT that I've watched him throw this year was a ball that seemed to get away from him. The receiver wasn't wide open, but he threw way high for an easy INT to the safety that had deep coverage. Mechanics played into this one... but they haven't hindered him on his way to throwing for 870 yards, 6 TDs and 2 INTs. And everyone seems to like to make the ultimate measuring stick the Ws and Ls and put them all on the QB.

Why is it so difficult for people to just admit that Cutler is a good QB. Quirky and I could care less for his arrogant attitude and whiney (Phillip Riversesque) pouting on the field. But when it comes to QBing, he is an elite talent. Josh McDaniels traded him away. So WHAT! That doesn't mean he has to be a bad player. I really laugh at those who stick up the little pictures that say "You suck" b/c someone thinks that Cutler is a good QB. Not everyone has Peyton Manning's mechanics... and there have been a ton of QBs that have proved over the years that you don't have to have those type mechanics to win in the NFL.
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Something Jay has yet to do.....Bears have no chance at being a playoff team this year.
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Baja, your MO is to post smear pieces on former players you don't like now and insinuate that they enjoy throwing off their back foot?

Let's just keep this real: This post is just more of the same stuff you're throwing out there to keep former players in the topics and less about your buddy McD who is failing out on the field right now. True or false? In that regard, I don't really blame you. This squad is about to be on the short-end of 1-5, 2-4 pretty quickly and you'll be pressed into action again in defense of McD.

I'm not even sure if Tebow can save him now.
You are so right Chris why I even went so far as to bribe Kils to write the article.

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Neither has Kyle Orton or McDaniels for that matter
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Nice thread Baja. To me mechanics aren't a big issue until they become a big issue. Cutler's mechanics last year were an issue. The year before in Denver they were an issue. The issue in Denver was that he did have time to set up properly and make the right throws. In Chicago last year he didn't have time to set up and still try to make the throws. The big difference this year which takes all the mechanics issues and makes them somewhat irrelevant is Cutler is making the right decisions. I've watched one full game and half of another. No change in his mechanics. No change in the old throw across your body and across the field (no-no), but the decisions have been much better. The only INT that I've watched him throw this year was a ball that seemed to get away from him. The receiver wasn't wide open, but he threw way high for an easy INT to the safety that had deep coverage. Mechanics played into this one... but they haven't hindered him on his way to throwing for 870 yards, 6 TDs and 2 INTs. And everyone seems to like to make the ultimate measuring stick the Ws and Ls and put them all on the QB.

Why is it so difficult for people to just admit that Cutler is a good QB. Quirky and I could care less for his arrogant attitude and whiney (Phillip Riversesque) pouting on the field. But when it comes to QBing, he is an elite talent. Josh McDaniels traded him away. So WHAT! That doesn't mean he has to be a bad player. I really laugh at those who stick up the little pictures that say "You suck" b/c someone thinks that Cutler is a good QB. Not everyone has Peyton Manning's mechanics... and there have been a ton of QBs that have proved over the years that you don't have to have those type mechanics to win in the NFL.
Did you watch the Green Bay game by any chance? He made two AWFUL decisions and AWFUL throws on that drive. He lucked out that Green Bay made two awful decisions on those plays, so he got bailed out. But you can't tell me those two would-be interceptions were good quarterbacking.
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