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Old 09-17-2010, 09:37 AM   #1
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The inference that Josh McDaniels will be introduced to his potential Waterloo in the opening home game seems premature and impulsive.

But . . . the Broncos coach will be confronting Waterloo not the ABBA song, but the sort of vanquishing Napoleon took on Sunday against the Seahawks.

A defeat would be the Broncos' 10th in 12 games dating to Nov. 1, 2009. Ahead, the Broncos have four games in which they will be underdogs. Only once in the franchise's half century have the Broncos suffered 14 losses in 16 games (under Lou Saban in 1967-68).

And every time he loses, McDaniels will suffer the wrath of Broncos "fans."

Woody: I read the comments attached to each article in The Post (online). What I can't understand is why there is so much venom being extended McD's way (even leading to a website that calls for his dismissal).

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Two victories in 11 games would be the major reason given by McDaniels' detractors.

The trading away of the team's two highest-profile offensive players (Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall,) and the cutting and dealing of three other popular players (Brandon Stokley, Tony Scheffler and Peyton Hillis), would be another big reason


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McDaniels supporters have very little to show for their claims. They have HOPE.
Josh did not inhertit a 2-14 or 5-11 team
-He inherited a 24-24 team in the previous 3 seasons and he has gone 2 & 9 in his last 11 games. Even Raheem Morris has his team playing better football than ours--as evidenced by a week 1 come from behind win with a VERY young team (we are one of the oldest teams in the league in contrast) including a late season win in New Orleans last year. Josh didn't inherit a lemon, he inherited slightly bitter lemonade and has somehow made it into a lemon.
-He has broken up a potent offensive core that went from 20 PPG in 2007 and raised up to 23 PPG in 2008. Without Marshall, expect more 17 PPG outings and abysmal 3rd down conversion percentages.

Josh is essentially performing OJT while running EVERYONE on this MSG board's favorite football franchise directly into the ground. It's okay to be a fan, it's another thing to be delusional about the obvious direction of this franchise. When even wins and losses no longer matter to you, your opinion simply isn't a valid one. Those who continue to support Pat Bowlen by filling his stadium 10 Sunday's a season need to realize that you are complicit in the demise of our favorite franchise. Pat made a mistake by hiring Josh and he needs to expedite the correction of that mistake. The only way to make this message loud and clear to Pat is to affect him in his pocketbook.
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Oh good God...

So the team keeps an injured Stokely just for the hell of it because fans like him...Bizzaro world.

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Hilis looked very good this preseason and last week,despite a fumble, was very effective.
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well at least we know we're losing this weekend right?
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McDaniels supporters have very little to show for their claims. They have HOPE.
Josh did not inhertit a 2-14 or 5-11 team
-He inherited a 24-24 team in the previous 3 seasons and he has gone 2 & 9 in his last 11 games. Even Raheem Morris has his team playing better football than ours--as evidenced by a week 1 come from behind win with a VERY young team (we are one of the oldest teams in the league in contrast) including a late season win in New Orleans last year. Josh didn't inherit a lemon, he inherited slightly bitter lemonade and has somehow made it into a lemon.
-He has broken up a potent offensive core that went from 20 PPG in 2007 and raised up to 23 PPG in 2008. Without Marshall, expect more 17 PPG outings and abysmal 3rd down conversion percentages.

Josh is essentially performing OJT while running EVERYONE on this MSG board's favorite football franchise directly into the ground. It's okay to be a fan, it's another thing to be delusional about the obvious direction of this franchise. When even wins and losses no longer matter to you, your opinion simply isn't a valid one. Those who continue to support Pat Bowlen by filling his stadium 10 Sunday's a season need to realize that you are complicit in the demise of our favorite franchise. Pat made a mistake by hiring Josh and he needs to expedite the correction of that mistake. The only way to make this message loud and clear to Pat is to affect him in his pocketbook.
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Woody: I read the comments attached to each article in The Post (online). What I can't understand is why there is so much venom being extended McD's way (even leading to a website that calls for his dismissal).

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Pete in Edmonton, I think I can answer this question for you better than Woody Paige.

See, Denver has suffered for years with a combination of the two biggest detriments a football fan base can have.

The first, a consistently competitive and successful team. This has taken perspective away from the fan base so that every loss is a disaster and every win short of a prolonged (4 games or more) win streak, a big playoff victory, or a title is ho hum.

The second is an amazingly horrible collection of sports writers and talk radio. Schefter is the crowning achievement of Denver Broncos sports journalists over the last couple decades and his forte is breaking news, not analyzing the game. Meanwhile the likes of Paige, Williamson, Klis, etc. are left to try and explain football to the average fan when it is abundantly clear they themselves don't have a clue about it either. Its the blind being lead around by the blind and stupid. As a result your average Broncos fan really believes that Jay Cutler is a good QB and other such absurdities.

Spoiled, ignorant fans then use the internet to soap box their idiotic opinions. Hence why you see so much venom on the internet about McDaniels.

Woody's response might have a shred of credibility if it wasn't just as bad before McDaniels coached his first game, or immediately after he lost his first game. The only thing that lead to some reduction in hostility was McDaniels winning his first six games in a row.
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Hilis looked very good this preseason and last week,despite a fumble, was very effective.
he had 2 fumbles, and didnt look good other than 1 td.
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McDaniels supporters have very little to show for their claims. They have HOPE.
Josh did not inhertit a 2-14 or 5-11 team
-He inherited a 24-24 team in the previous 3 seasons and he has gone 2 & 9 in his last 11 games. Even Raheem Morris has his team playing better football than ours--as evidenced by a week 1 come from behind win with a VERY young team (we are one of the oldest teams in the league in contrast) including a late season win in New Orleans last year. Josh didn't inherit a lemon, he inherited slightly bitter lemonade and has somehow made it into a lemon.
-He has broken up a potent offensive core that went from 20 PPG in 2007 and raised up to 23 PPG in 2008. Without Marshall, expect more 17 PPG outings and abysmal 3rd down conversion percentages.

Josh is essentially performing OJT while running EVERYONE on this MSG board's favorite football franchise directly into the ground. It's okay to be a fan, it's another thing to be delusional about the obvious direction of this franchise. When even wins and losses no longer matter to you, your opinion simply isn't a valid one. Those who continue to support Pat Bowlen by filling his stadium 10 Sunday's a season need to realize that you are complicit in the demise of our favorite franchise. Pat made a mistake by hiring Josh and he needs to expedite the correction of that mistake. The only way to make this message loud and clear to Pat is to affect him in his pocketbook.
Average age of the Broncos roster is 26. Thats the league average. In 17 games, McDaniels is 8-9. With Marshall we had 17-20 ppg outings. The "potent" offensive core was 16th in the NFL in 2008. Thats average. Josh inherited an aging 8-8 roster with scrubs at key positions. If you want to know what the new coaching staff thought of the team, look at the 30+ players they let go (a large number are currently not on any other NFL roster, including Washington's).

The overreaction by "fans" such as yourself merely proves McDaniels is on to something. But by all means keep crying. It sure seems to be working.

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he had 2 fumbles, and didnt look good other than 1 td.
and one of those fumbles basically cost them the game

so yeah, business as usual...he has talent there is no question about it, but he is showing the little mistakes that led to his demise here
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txtebow is a gem, isn't he?

Our offense is actually very young. I think we're set at LB and DB (Bailey take take FS after Dawkins retires) just stock up on DL and CB next year.

We've play one game with this roster, folks. Take a midol.
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Hillis sucks. Flat out.
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Pete in Edmonton, I think I can answer this question for you better than Woody Paige.

See, Denver has suffered for years with a combination of the two biggest detriments a football fan base can have.

The first, a consistently competitive and successful team. This has taken perspective away from the fan base so that every loss is a disaster and every win short of a prolonged (4 games or more) win streak, a big playoff victory, or a title is ho hum.

The second is an amazingly horrible collection of sports writers and talk radio. Schefter is the crowning achievement of Denver Broncos sports journalists over the last couple decades and his forte is breaking news, not analyzing the game. Meanwhile the likes of Paige, Williamson, Klis, etc. are left to try and explain football to the average fan when it is abundantly clear they themselves don't have a clue about it either. Its the blind being lead around by the blind and stupid. As a result your average Broncos fan really believes that Jay Cutler is a good QB and other such absurdities.

Spoiled, ignorant fans then use the internet to soap box their idiotic opinions. Hence why you see so much venom on the internet about McDaniels.

Woody's response might have a shred of credibility if it wasn't just as bad before McDaniels coached his first game, or immediately after he lost his first game. The only thing that lead to some reduction in hostility was McDaniels winning his first six games in a row.
Seriously, it's like you have the ****ing Orangemane answer key.
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Pete in Edmonton, I think I can answer this question for you better than Woody Paige.

See, Denver has suffered for years with a combination of the two biggest detriments a football fan base can have.

The first, a consistently competitive and successful team. This has taken perspective away from the fan base so that every loss is a disaster and every win short of a prolonged (4 games or more) win streak, a big playoff victory, or a title is ho hum.

The second is an amazingly horrible collection of sports writers and talk radio. Schefter is the crowning achievement of Denver Broncos sports journalists over the last couple decades and his forte is breaking news, not analyzing the game. Meanwhile the likes of Paige, Williamson, Klis, etc. are left to try and explain football to the average fan when it is abundantly clear they themselves don't have a clue about it either. Its the blind being lead around by the blind and stupid. As a result your average Broncos fan really believes that Jay Cutler is a good QB and other such absurdities.

Spoiled, ignorant fans then use the internet to soap box their idiotic opinions. Hence why you see so much venom on the internet about McDaniels.

Woody's response might have a shred of credibility if it wasn't just as bad before McDaniels coached his first game, or immediately after he lost his first game. The only thing that lead to some reduction in hostility was McDaniels winning his first six games in a row.

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McDaniels supporters have very little to show for their claims. They have HOPE.
Josh did not inhertit a 2-14 or 5-11 team
-He inherited a 24-24 team in the previous 3 seasons and he has gone 2 & 9 in his last 11 games. Even Raheem Morris has his team playing better football than ours--as evidenced by a week 1 come from behind win with a VERY young team (we are one of the oldest teams in the league in contrast) including a late season win in New Orleans last year. Josh didn't inherit a lemon, he inherited slightly bitter lemonade and has somehow made it into a lemon.
-He has broken up a potent offensive core that went from 20 PPG in 2007 and raised up to 23 PPG in 2008. Without Marshall, expect more 17 PPG outings and abysmal 3rd down conversion percentages.

Josh is essentially performing OJT while running EVERYONE on this MSG board's favorite football franchise directly into the ground. It's okay to be a fan, it's another thing to be delusional about the obvious direction of this franchise. When even wins and losses no longer matter to you, your opinion simply isn't a valid one. Those who continue to support Pat Bowlen by filling his stadium 10 Sunday's a season need to realize that you are complicit in the demise of our favorite franchise. Pat made a mistake by hiring Josh and he needs to expedite the correction of that mistake. The only way to make this message loud and clear to Pat is to affect him in his pocketbook.
I beginning to suspect you don't like our new coach...
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Pete in Edmonton, I think I can answer this question for you better than Woody Paige.

See, Denver has suffered for years with a combination of the two biggest detriments a football fan base can have.

The first, a consistently competitive and successful team. This has taken perspective away from the fan base so that every loss is a disaster and every win short of a prolonged (4 games or more) win streak, a big playoff victory, or a title is ho hum.

The second is an amazingly horrible collection of sports writers and talk radio. Schefter is the crowning achievement of Denver Broncos sports journalists over the last couple decades and his forte is breaking news, not analyzing the game. Meanwhile the likes of Paige, Williamson, Klis, etc. are left to try and explain football to the average fan when it is abundantly clear they themselves don't have a clue about it either. Its the blind being lead around by the blind and stupid. As a result your average Broncos fan really believes that Jay Cutler is a good QB and other such absurdities.

Spoiled, ignorant fans then use the internet to soap box their idiotic opinions. Hence why you see so much venom on the internet about McDaniels.

Woody's response might have a shred of credibility if it wasn't just as bad before McDaniels coached his first game, or immediately after he lost his first game. The only thing that lead to some reduction in hostility was McDaniels winning his first six games in a row.


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he had 2 fumbles, and didnt look good other than 1 td.
9/41 yds
4.55 ypc. I'd take that. (1 fumble lost)

Knowshon had 15/60 yards= 4 YPC
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Average age of the Broncos roster is 26. Thats the league average. In 17 games, McDaniels is 8-9. With Marshall we had 17-20 ppg outings. The "potent" offensive core was 16th in the NFL in 2008. Thats average. Josh inherited an aging 8-8 roster with scrubs at key positions. If you want to know what the new coaching staff thought of the team, look at the 30+ players they let go (a large number are currently not on any other NFL roster, including Washington's).

The overreaction by "fans" such as yourself merely proves McDaniels is on to something. But by all means keep crying. It sure seems to be working.

It's 32 and none are playing in the NFL. That's almost half of Shanny's 2008 team out of football. I find that amazing.
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4.55 ypc. I'd take that. (1 fumble lost)

Knowshon had 15/60 yards= 4 YPC

You and reality do not get many face to face meetings, huh?


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McD or whoever coaches here has a huge problem right now. League wide its hard for most teams to upgrade DL. Denvers weakest position is DL and imo we won't take another step forward until we add some young studs to the mix.
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You would take one fumble every nine touches?
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so what you're saying is you didnt watch him then.

2 fumbles in 9 carries...i dont care if lost or not...its still 2 fumbles.
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The first, a consistently competitive and successful team. This has taken perspective away from the fan base so that every loss is a disaster and every win short of a prolonged (4 games or more) win streak, a big playoff victory, or a title is ho hum.

The second is an amazingly horrible collection of sports writers and talk radio. Schefter is the crowning achievement of Denver Broncos sports journalists over the last couple decades and his forte is breaking news, not analyzing the game. Meanwhile the likes of Paige, Williamson, Klis, etc. are left to try and explain football to the average fan when it is abundantly clear they themselves don't have a clue about it either. Its the blind being lead around by the blind and stupid. As a result your average Broncos fan really believes that Jay Cutler is a good QB and other such absurdities.

Spoiled, ignorant fans then use the internet to soap box their idiotic opinions. Hence why you see so much venom on the internet about McDaniels.
Woody's response might have a shred of credibility if it wasn't just as bad before McDaniels coached his first game, or immediately after he lost his first game. The only thing that lead to some reduction in hostility was McDaniels winning his first six games in a row.
I can agree that we all have been spoiled. We were the class of the AFC West for the past 30 years. Josh's performance has done nothing to return us to that level.
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