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Old 09-12-2010, 08:58 PM   #1
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Okay, so after my blow up thread, everyone wanted to pin point my criticism of Kyle Orton's play today and ignore the rest of the facts. Anyways, during the Redskins I was starting to wonder if maybe I was seeing it wrong. Naturally I realized that wasn't likely so I pulled the game stats up.

Here's Kyle on 3rd down out of EIGHT 3rd down drop backs:

2 completions for 20 yards
2 first downs out of 8 for a whopping 25% conversion rate
3 sacks for 21 yards
1 run for 5 yards
2 delay of game penalties
4 yards of offense gained in 8 3rd downs for 0.5 ypp

That's not embarrassing to you? If you're satisfied with that and consider play like that "the bright spot" then you should be ashamed of yourself as a Bronco fan, in my opinion.

3-11 sacked for -8 yards
3-3 incomplete short mid
3-8 short mid to royal for 11 yards
3-10 sacked for -6 yards
3-7 sacked for -7 yards
3-4 runs for 5 yards
3-15 short left to Royal for 9 yards
3-3 incomplete short right to lloyd

And a fourth down for good measure:
4-3 incomplete short right to lloyd
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Old 09-12-2010, 08:59 PM   #2
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Our offensive line wasn't really helping the cause....
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Uh oh... Mock II is back.
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Why don't you discuss the points?

I forgot, that's not your thing.
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Why don't you discuss the points?

I forgot, that's not your thing.
You won't remember in the morning, anyway.
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I forgot, that's not your thing.
Give it a rest, Rev.
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He's just mad he didn't have the biggest tebowner in the stadium today.
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Give it a rest, Rev.
See the thread topic.

See the downs.

See the performance.

Why would we want to give this a rest? Why does anyone want to excuse a performance like that?
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Oh there were some HUGE ones.

And some hatred too.

Took a pic of this in the parking lot because I thought it was hilarious.

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See the thread topic.

See the downs.

See the performance.

Why would we want to give this a rest? Why does anyone want to excuse a performance like that?
You know, you're absolutely right. Let's use one of our excellent alternatives instead. Quinn, who can't hit the broad side of a barn from INSIDE the barn. Or Tebow, who still has trouble taking the snap from center.

Excellent.
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He wasn't embarrassing, but at the same time I'm not sure what game the people saying he looked good out there were watching.

Yes, he put up some alright numbers and made one or two nice throws, so he was hardly abysmal.

But we do run a very QB friendly system, we get a lot of YAC on plays that are basically extended handoffs. And when it came down to it, on those 3rd down situation where they knew we had to pass the ball, he generally didn't get the job done or look like he was ever going to. And against a defense that probably isn't very good either.

Generally though I think there are bigger things to worry about. Orton isn't going to be the long term solution for us at QB anyway, so I'm more worried about some of the other problems we had today.
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You know, you're absolutely right. Let's use one of our excellent alternatives instead. Quinn, who can't hit the broad side of a barn from INSIDE the barn. Or Tebow, who still has trouble taking the snap from center.

Excellent.
I'm not suggesting benching him. I'm saying it's unacceptable and Josh has to have him MUCH better prepared or we are in for the season cutthemdown has been predicting.
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I'm not suggesting benching him. I'm saying it's unacceptable and Josh has to have him MUCH better prepared or we are in for the season cutthemdown has been predicting.
Orton had a 90 QB rating, 300 yards passing, and even ran for a first down or two. His INT came when he was in a pass-only hole with a minute left in the game.

He was the LEAST of our problems today.


For a guy who touts himself as having an elite football education, you should understand that a team with no offensive line has no balance... and hence ANY QB in that system is going to run into problems.


You're the only person outside of BPC on this forum who will be pushing this agenda, dude. The rest of us were pretty happy with Orton's play today.
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Orton had a 90 QB rating, 300 yards passing, and even ran for a first down or two. His INT came when he was in a pass-only hole with a minute left in the game.

He was the LEAST of our problems today.


For a guy who touts himself as having an elite football education, you should understand that a team with no offensive line has no balance... and hence ANY QB in that system is going to run into problems.


You're the only person outside of BPC on this forum who will be pushing this agenda, dude. The rest of us were pretty happy with Orton's play today.
Steps to follow:
1. See the original post in this thread.

2. Read it.

3. Make a comment on it.

4. If you think 25% on 3rd down (along with 2 penalties on him on 3rd down) is the "LEAST of our problems" then I suggest you watch it again.
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I'm not suggesting benching him. I'm saying it's unacceptable and Josh has to have him MUCH better prepared or we are in for the season cutthemdown has been predicting.
We've got one week to pull our head out. We lose to the seahawks and this season will be over before it really got going.
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PS. I don't tout myself as anything. I could care less about what people think here. Hence the last two threads which are very unpopular with the Orton apologist fanboys.
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We've got one week to pull our head out. We lose to the seahawks and this season will be over before it really got going.
I disagree. Seattle looked pretty sharp today so if we play like we did today, we'll get absolutely destroyed.

Regardless, the season is never over 2 games in. I'm looking forward to seeing how Josh and the team respond to some adversity after caving to it last season.
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Rev, I know you're not too great at watching games live, maybe your view sucked or something but our oline was playing like ass and Kampman was all up in Orton's ass (no homo) all day.

Let's go through the 3rd downs today:

1) 3rd and 1... Moreno for 6 yards, called back for holding then 3rd and 11.... Kampman sacks Orton

2) 3rd and 3... Orton incompletion to Gaffney (not a good play here, he was looking for the PI)

3) 3rd and 9... Orton competes to Royal for 11 yards

4) 3rd and 3.. Buckhalter rushes for 2 yards ... 4th and 1 Buckhalter runs for 2 more for a 1st (LOOK A RUSHING DOWN!)

5) 3rd and 10... Orton sacked by Alualu (this is the one where Daniels completely wiffed the help block... of course you didn't see since you a) suck at watching games live b) probably didn't see the replay)

6) 3rd and 7... Orton sacked by Kampon + Middleton

7) 3rd and 4... Orton rushes for 5

8)3rd and 15... caused by a false start... screen pass to Royal for 9 that led to a FG

9) 3rd and 3... Orton Lloyd incomplete

Orton gets sacked on 3/9 of the 3rd downs.

We do need to improve on 3rd downs - no doubt. However he wasn't getting help at all. 2 of the 3rd downs had penalities that extended the 3rd down. 3 he was sacked. That's 5/9 in which we ****ed ourselves. 5/9 3rd downs were 3rd and longs. Not good.

Colts were 4/12 today on 3rd downs.

Broncos were 3/9

33%.

Now rev, just hang it up bud. I think you should stop going to live games or else you'll soon react like this:


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I'm not suggesting benching him. I'm saying it's unacceptable and Josh has to have him MUCH better prepared or we are in for the season cutthemdown has been predicting.
Lay off the crack.

What's the average completion percentage for QBs in the NFL on 3rd down? Just curious.

I'd say giving up 60 yards on two penalties was a bigger problem than Orton on third down. I'd say being unable to stop Garrard was a bigger problem, too.

****, I sort of think Lloyd being unable to keep his foot three inches from where it landed was a bigger deal since, you know, that would have been a touchdown and would have tied the game.

But sure. McDaniels needs to have him better prepared than throwing for almost 300 yards and getting some very close calls go against us. We should just ignore the defensive holds, the fumble that broke our back, and mcBean becoming a Raider for three plays in the third.

Orton's 3rd downs... that's what we need to fix.
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See the thread topic.

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Why would we want to give this a rest? Why does anyone want to excuse a performance like that?
Orton was not a problem.
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I disagree. Seattle looked pretty sharp today so if we play like we did today, we'll get absolutely destroyed.

Regardless, the season is never over 2 games in. I'm looking forward to seeing how Josh and the team respond to some adversity after caving to it last season.
Again you didn't watch the game so stop looking at the box scores and calling them sharp.

The niners completely ****ed themselves over and Alex Smith sucks. Seattle wasn't doing **** at all... they couldn't run the ball for horse **** until the game was pretty much over.

Seattle's oline is horrible.

Niners gave them the game in a package signed by Mike Singletary.
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Colts were 4/12 today on 3rd downs.
They lost too.
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They lost too.
my point was, no one is doomed and this doesn't necessarily mean someone flat out sucks.
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Rev, I know you're not too great at watching games live, maybe your view sucked or something but our oline was playing like ass and Kampman was all up in Orton's ass (no homo) all day.
Everyday I get more confident that you're actually illiterate.
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I disagree. Seattle looked pretty sharp today so if we play like we did today, we'll get absolutely destroyed.

Regardless, the season is never over 2 games in. I'm looking forward to seeing how Josh and the team respond to some adversity after caving to it last season.
Seattle wasn't bad but they honestly didn't look all that great, SF looked horrible mainly Alex Smith you wanna talk about a QB that struggled wow

Alex Smith was 1 / 15 on third downs

Seattle only had 170 yds passing and their 3 RBs only managed 77 yards.

not to mention Seattle doesn't travel good at all one of the worst road teams in the NFL by far.
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