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Old 09-12-2010, 02:41 PM   #1
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Just sayin. If on 4th and 3, you are clearing out your backfield, you're saying something about the faith that you have in your running backs.
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Just sayin. If on 4th and 3, you are clearing out your backfield, you're saying something about the faith that you have in your running backs.
These days, it's probably a passing down in that position... but how about a play designed to pick up 4 yards?

If we score, it looks brilliant, of course. But, I would have liked a higher percentage play, personally.
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No, it's not. 3 yds is a passing distance on 4th down for every team.
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Well, unless you're trying to outsmart the defense... and end up outsmarting yourself.

Shanahan ran on 4th and short all the time. All the time. In fact, every coach does on occasion.

whoops, 4th and short.
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Not when you know your passing game is good against the weakest aspect of the opponent's defense.
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These days, it's probably a passing down in that position... but how about a play designed to pick up 4 yards?

If we score, it looks brilliant, of course. But, I would have liked a higher percentage play, personally.
I usually get annoyed by people saying "This" but... well...

This.
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I was going to start a thread asking when our young HC is going to grow out of rolling the dice on 4th down. Kick the FG, then hope the D holds (which they did) then play for the WIN rather than the tie.

2 years now of 4th down dice rolls coming up snake eyes.
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TJ i did not agree with the call either but if we score you would be calling mcD the new mastermind
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TJ i did not agree with the call either but if we score you would be calling mcD the new mastermind
It was within inches of being a score, btw. Not like it was a total whiff.
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All I'm saying is, they cleared out the backfield. On fourth down and 3 yards to go.

"We're not even going to play around and even try to fake you out. Look Defense - we need 4 yards, and here comes a pass."
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Just sayin. If on 4th and 3, you are clearing out your backfield, you're saying something about the faith that you have in your running backs.
We have no running game
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No it isn't.

I don't know what the stats are, but if teams going for it on 4th and 3 ran the ball anywhere near 50% of the time last season I'd be amazed.
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It was within inches of being a score, btw. Not like it was a total whiff.
in this game i would have taken the field goal
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Uh, not sure many teams run on 4th and 3. Pass was the right call...would have rather seen something to just pick up the 1st, but the pass was an inch away from being a TD...great catch by Lloyd.
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in this game i would have taken the field goal
I probably would have too, if you have faith in your defense enough to get you back the ball and have the opportunity to win the game.
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TJ i did not agree with the call either but if we score you would be calling mcD the new mastermind

If we would have converted that, I still would have been suprised at the playcall, but would have been thrilled about the execution. You have to be perfect to convert a 4th and 3 pass when you've cleared out the backfield.
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These days, it's probably a passing down in that position... but how about a play designed to pick up 4 yards?

If we score, it looks brilliant, of course. But, I would have liked a higher percentage play, personally.
It was. It looked like a read play, and he read single coverage on the outside so he went in that direction.
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It was within inches of being a score, btw. Not like it was a total whiff.
The players made a great effort but it was a high risk, low % play from there. You don't take such risks when they could potentially sink you at that point and you don't have to.
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No it isn't.

I don't know what the stats are, but if teams going for it on 4th and 3 ran the ball anywhere near 50% of the time last season I'd be amazed.
I doubt you're right, but even still: How many of them cleared out their backfield?
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This. We weren't going to fool anyone.
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If we would have converted that, I still would have been suprised at the playcall, but would have been thrilled about the execution. You have to be perfect to convert a 4th and 3 pass when you've cleared out the backfield.
A 4th and 3 pass like NE runs with Welker where he goes to the other side of the 1st down marker and turns around would've been just fine in my opinion.
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in this game i would have taken the field goal
I wouldn't have. Not on the road, and not the way our secondary had been getting eaten up.

No pressure up front most of the day... about what I expected and always a recipe for trouble.

I sound like a broken record, but you can't win NFL games without disrupting the passing games these days. It's been our problem most of the past decade.
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I think it was also a faith in the interior OL thing, Taco. It's not fair to ask kids to push them three yards against a 9 man front. You've got to play to your strengths, although I would have rather thrown a short stick pass or something than a fade.
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I was going to start a thread asking when our young HC is going to grow out of rolling the dice on 4th down. Kick the FG, then hope the D holds (which they did) then play for the WIN rather than the tie.

2 years now of 4th down dice rolls coming up snake eyes.
Well - you can kick the FG and still be down a touchdown. You need to score a touchdown either way...
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Just sayin. If on 4th and 3, you are clearing out your backfield, you're saying something about the faith that you have in your running backs.
4th and 3 is NOT a running down. It's a down to roll the QB giving him options. The only way you run on 4th and 3 is if you're the Texans, you have Arian Foster and you're playing the Colts. Other than that, rolling the QB is the best play call.
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