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Old 09-09-2010, 11:35 PM   #1
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Why not hit up the Bills for Marshawn Lynch? Seems to me they have moved on without him and he is still young and very good when healthy. He is kind of a thug sh*thead and that could knock his value down. It's worth a look at.
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Old 09-10-2010, 07:15 AM   #2
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Why not hit up the Bills for Marshawn Lynch? Seems to me they have moved on without him and he is still young and very good when healthy. He is kind of a thug sh*thead and that could knock his value down. It's worth a look at.
We're a passing team this year, that's just the way it is. Our season rises and falls on the shoulder of Orton and pass protection.
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Old 09-10-2010, 07:22 AM   #3
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RBs are getting healthy now. If theres another set back, i would imagine trades would be entertained. Prob a vet signing after week 1 is more probable.
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We're a passing team this year, that's just the way it is. Our season rises and falls on the shoulder of Orton and pass protection.
Man I hate to be a downer but we were "passing" team last year and that didn't go so well. Ol Neckbeard is gonna have to get the ball deep allot more this year. Not doing that caught up with us in the second half of the season.

WE NEED production out of Moreno this year if we want to stay out of the bottom of this division.
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I'm guessing Lynch isn't a "team first" kind of player.
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Man I hate to be a downer but we were "passing" team last year and that didn't go so well. Ol Neckbeard is gonna have to get the ball deep allot more this year. Not doing that caught up with us in the second half of the season.

WE NEED production out of Moreno this year if we want to stay out of the bottom of this division.
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Man I hate to be a downer but we were "passing" team last year and that didn't go so well. Ol Neckbeard is gonna have to get the ball deep allot more this year. Not doing that caught up with us in the second half of the season.

WE NEED production out of Moreno this year if we want to stay out of the bottom of this division.
I think the difference is that last year we were a mediocre passing team, for a number of reasons.

This year I think we have the ability to be a good passing team, which will aid the running game.

Last year the box was stacked on nearly every down. I think the passing game this year has the ability to take advantage of that defensive tack, which will eventually lead to larger running lanes.
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We're a passing team this year, that's just the way it is. Our season rises and falls on the shoulder of Orton and pass protection.
Nowadays everyone has to be a passing team. Every time the defensive coordinators come up with something to slow it down, the NFL passes a new rule to open it up again.

The running game is an afterthought and old hat - - unless you run against a team that simply can't stop it. (Like us down the stretch last year)
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Nowadays everyone has to be a passing team. Every time the defensive coordinators come up with something to slow it down, the NFL passes a new rule to open it up again.

The running game is an afterthought and old hat - - unless you run against a team that simply can't stop it. (Like us down the stretch last year)
Did you watch the Saints in the second half against the Vikes last night? They were shoving it down their throat and Pierre Thomas was getting chunks of yards - and the Vikes are one of the better teams against the run. The difference was the Saints Oline is so damn good. No matter what the league does, you can't beat the running game for taking the steam out of your opposition while burning up the clock.
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Top rushing offenses 2009:

1. NY Giants .................did not make playoffs
2. Atlanta Falcons..........did not make playoffs
3. Carolina Panthers........did not make playoffs

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29. Cincinnati Bengals.... won division
30. Detroit Lions............did not make playoffs
31. Indianapolis Colts......won AFC
32. Arizona Cardinals ......won division
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Top rushing offenses 2009:

1. NY Giants .................did not make playoffs
2. Atlanta Falcons..........did not make playoffs
3. Carolina Panthers........did not make playoffs

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29. Cincinnati Bengals.... won division
30. Detroit Lions............did not make playoffs
31. Indianapolis Colts......won AFC
32. Arizona Cardinals ......won division
It's 2010 and the NFL is a new animal. Teams pass first and run second, defenses base is really their nickle, in the box safeties are a dying breed, fullbacks are all but extinct. Yes things have changed.

In regards to the first post, if Buckhalter is ok and they feel good about Knowshon's healing, I think we'll be ok with what we have.
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Top rushing offenses 2009:

1. NY Giants .................did not make playoffs
2. Atlanta Falcons..........did not make playoffs
3. Carolina Panthers........did not make playoffs

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29. Cincinnati Bengals.... won division
30. Detroit Lions............did not make playoffs
31. Indianapolis Colts......won AFC
32. Arizona Cardinals ......won division
Being a big fan of the running game I really dislike these kinds of stats. Maybe the league satisfies the entertainment only crowd, but if you aren't running the football, what game are you playing? Why not use a frisbee?

They've jumped the shark, IMO.
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It used to be that teams would run the ball when they were in the lead (to run down the clock) so most of the top rushing teams would be good teams record-wise. This doesn't seem to be the case anymore though, teams are more inclined to just run short passes and hb screens to run out the clock.

"Establishing the run" always has been and probably always will be a totally made-up concept.
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Just a few more notes: The Saints are a good running team, but in 2009, they led the league in passing offense.

Look at the 2007 Pats. 16-0 regular season. 1st in passing offense. Modest 13th in rushing.

From 2001-2008 our own Denver Broncos ranked in the top 10 rushing offenses every single year. (Often in the top 3) And we got how many playoff wins?
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Being a big fan of the running game I really dislike these kinds of stats. Maybe the league satisfies the entertainment only crowd, but if you aren't running the football, what game are you playing? Why not use a frisbee?

They've jumped the shark, IMO.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just finally coming to the realization that they've changed the nature of the game.
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Old 09-10-2010, 11:17 AM   #17
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I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just finally coming to the realization that they've changed the nature of the game.
No doubt about that. We're probably also seeing the last days of players like Polamalu and Dawkins and Atwater.
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Top rushing offenses 2009:

1. NY Giants .................did not make playoffs
2. Atlanta Falcons..........did not make playoffs
3. Carolina Panthers........did not make playoffs

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29. Cincinnati Bengals.... won division
30. Detroit Lions............did not make playoffs
31. Indianapolis Colts......won AFC
32. Arizona Cardinals ......won division
Could you un-post that
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I think the difference is that last year we were a mediocre passing team, for a number of reasons.

This year I think we have the ability to be a good passing team, which will aid the running game.

Last year the box was stacked on nearly every down. I think the passing game this year has the ability to take advantage of that defensive tack, which will eventually lead to larger running lanes.
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Nowadays everyone has to be a passing team. Every time the defensive coordinators come up with something to slow it down, the NFL passes a new rule to open it up again.

The running game is an afterthought and old hat - - unless you run against a team that simply can't stop it. (Like us down the stretch last year)
Teams that can control the LOS are the ones that are going to win. Like Rohrimm said the Aints just crammed the ball down the Vikings throats with 3 differnet backs to kill clock and win that game.

I like our chances if we can control the LOS vs Jags like the Aints did last night.
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Why run the ball when you can just chuck underthrown deep balls down the sidelines and 70% of the time get a PA call?
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Why run the ball when you can just chuck underthrown deep balls down the sidelines and 70% of the time get a PA call?
Because you can't score TD's off PA calls, you have to get the ball over the goal line in which case the best line wins.
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Old 09-10-2010, 07:48 PM   #23
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Build a dominant offensive line, and it won't matter who is running the ball. Same applies for an injured and patchwork offensive line.
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Top rushing offenses 2009:

1. NY Giants .................did not make playoffs
2. Atlanta Falcons..........did not make playoffs
3. Carolina Panthers........did not make playoffs

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29. Cincinnati Bengals.... won division
30. Detroit Lions............did not make playoffs
31. Indianapolis Colts......won AFC
32. Arizona Cardinals ......won division
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...seasonType=REG
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...seasonType=REG
You got BS stats and I'll bet those are from the 2008 season which just goes against your argument. There are some moron fans that if they actually believe the running game has little value anymore. Sure there are a few exceptions to the rule but my guess is they have HOF qb's.

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