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Old 09-08-2010, 10:53 PM   #1
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Lions ball hawk Alphonso Smith has room to grow
Second-year CB has nose for interceptions
BY CARLOS MONARREZ

The Lions acquired second-year cornerback Alphonso Smith in a trade with Denver on Saturday. On Monday, one of the first things coach Jim Schwartz said he liked about Smith was his personality.

It wasn't hard to see why. Smith, a second-round pick from Wake Forest in 2009, fell out of favor with the Broncos after an unproductive rookie season. He could have angrily criticized the Broncos for discarding him. Instead, he said many factors played into the team forming a negative perception about him.

"Just the way that you carry yourself around the facility, the way you practice, the way you play, it's a lot of things that go into helping someone formulate a perception of you, perception that you really don't want to give off," he said. "Even if it wasn't the case, it's still a perception and you still give them room to make one. And that's what I did."

Smith led the nation with 15 interceptions his last two years at Wake Forest and holds the Atlantic Coast Conference record with 21 career picks. Ex-Lion Dré Bly had held the record.

"He's got a nose for the ball," Schwartz said. "I think one thing is when you look at DBs, interceptions are a little bit like sacks on the defensive line. You either have it or you don't. And he has the ability."

The Lions had their eye on Smith when he was in college. General manager Martin Mayhew believes Smith, 24, still can grow.
"A young guy with upside potential, had good college grades on him, he's worth a look as a developmental guy to try to bring along," Mayhew said. "He may give us more than just development, but a guy who definitely has ability, there's no question about that."

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Lions ball hawk Alphonso Smith has room to grow
Second-year CB has nose for interceptions
BY CARLOS MONARREZ

The Lions acquired second-year cornerback Alphonso Smith in a trade with Denver on Saturday. On Monday, one of the first things coach Jim Schwartz said he liked about Smith was his personality.

It wasn't hard to see why. Smith, a second-round pick from Wake Forest in 2009, fell out of favor with the Broncos after an unproductive rookie season. He could have angrily criticized the Broncos for discarding him. Instead, he said many factors played into the team forming a negative perception about him.

"Just the way that you carry yourself around the facility, the way you practice, the way you play, it's a lot of things that go into helping someone formulate a perception of you, perception that you really don't want to give off," he said. "Even if it wasn't the case, it's still a perception and you still give them room to make one. And that's what I did."

Smith led the nation with 15 interceptions his last two years at Wake Forest and holds the Atlantic Coast Conference record with 21 career picks. Ex-Lion Dré Bly had held the record.

"He's got a nose for the ball," Schwartz said. "I think one thing is when you look at DBs, interceptions are a little bit like sacks on the defensive line. You either have it or you don't. And he has the ability."

The Lions had their eye on Smith when he was in college. General manager Martin Mayhew believes Smith, 24, still can grow.
"A young guy with upside potential, had good college grades on him, he's worth a look as a developmental guy to try to bring along," Mayhew said. "He may give us more than just development, but a guy who definitely has ability, there's no question about that."

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that is great the ****ers still own us a pick . hopefully it is a good one!!!!!
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I'm glad for the kittens.

Reavis Isle.

I.E. Glligan's isle, or we just gave up the #14 pick for a better Quinn.
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I'm glad for the kittens.

Reavis Isle.

I.E. Glligan's isle, or we just gave up the #14 pick for a better Quinn.
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Old 09-08-2010, 11:25 PM   #9
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that is great the ****ers still own us a pick . hopefully it is a good one!!!!!
Where does it say they owe us a pick?
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I can't wait to see what we get for the Quinn Twins.

Oakland is going to kick our ass.
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what was the pick we received for him?
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he knows he ****ed up in denver. he may light it up in detroit, but he knows he messed up here and it was too late to undo it.
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Like I've been saying, watch Alphonso and Jack Williams become the best CB tandem in the league
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Old 09-09-2010, 04:21 AM   #15
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ball-hawk? college was a lifetime ago, kid.
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He is a ballhawk, but they used him differently in DEN than Wake ever did. That is why I can not see them giving up on a young CB so quickly. This kid has the ability to play man and Zone from his college tape, but they totally changed coverages on him last year and played him in the slot as well. Playing the slot WR is a hell of a lot more trying than playing outside in the NFL. Coaches like to use the Slot WR as their designated mismatch in 3 WR personnel and Smith was never comfortable playing there last year.


The speed of the game mentally is the hardest to adjust to in the NFL, and the Slot is the hardest place to Cover as you have no sideline to funnel WR's in man and the crossing routes in zone are well timed if you do not press off the LOS. It's a much different Skillset than playing and anticipating on the outside. That is where Smith was exceptional in college. He knew his coverages and forced WR's into routes he could cover and make a play. In the NFL, he had to be more physical and could not get force the issue to WR's who were much smarter and more physical than college.
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He is a ballhawk, but they used him differently in DEN than Wake ever did. That is why I can not see them giving up on a young CB so quickly. This kid has the ability to play man and Zone from his college tape, but they totally changed coverages on him last year and played him in the slot as well. Playing the slot WR is a hell of a lot more trying than playing outside in the NFL. Coaches like to use the Slot WR as their designated mismatch in 3 WR personnel and Smith was never comfortable playing there last year.


The speed of the game mentally is the hardest to adjust to in the NFL, and the Slot is the hardest place to Cover as you have no sideline to funnel WR's in man and the crossing routes in zone are well timed if you do not press off the LOS. It's a much different Skillset than playing and anticipating on the outside. That is where Smith was exceptional in college. He knew his coverages and forced WR's into routes he could cover and make a play. In the NFL, he had to be more physical and could not get force the issue to WR's who were much smarter and more physical than college.
Actually agree with this assessment Med (much more than I ever did with your Karl take

Smith HAD a nose for the ball at WF for the reasons you mentioned. He was able to dictate, required the WR to adjust and he capitalized.

I agree that the size\speed ratio for a WR on the outside in the Pros is a tough matchup for Smith to overcome. Even with his above average man coverage skillset.

I don't fault the Broncos for trying him out in the slot. That is were I think he needs to play to be successful on THIS level.

However if their intent was to play him in the slot all along, then I definately do not like the value of the draft pick. I also don't like that they gave up on him this early but understand that their hand was forced based on the competion at the position. I also wouldn't describe him as a 'ballhawk' anymore until he proves it in the pros. What he did in college means about as much right now as what he did in high school.
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He's a developmental guy who has potential.........isn't every young guy like that

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In reality , most NFL teams make the right decision when it comes to releasing a player due to talent/effort/intelligence issues (pick 1 , 2 or all 3).
It's really the fans who get most upset but again they are not in the room day in and day out. Sure there are exceptions to the rule but for the most part the team is right

Didin't we read this same type of article two months ago.

Time to move on . Hope he performs well but history is on the side of the Denver Broncos in this case
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Well Christ, what else is Detroit going to say about him?

"Damn that new corner we got from Denver really does suck."
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Fonz is just 1 of many odd /reach picks. It's not just Fonz, it's that we dumped half our ofense for reaches like Quinn and Slomoreno.

Shanny had is share but that seemed solved with he Goodmans.
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"Damn that new corner we got from Denver really does suck."
Good thing they didn't give up the #14 pick or heads would roll.

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Old 09-09-2010, 07:00 AM   #24
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We got him at a price of a first round pick. They got him for a bag of peanuts.

Why wouldn't they be excited about this?
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Denver's staff had to make a tough choice btwn compararably skilled CB's. And Phonz was partly drafted as a return man, correct? But didn't stand out returning, whereas both Cox and Syd have looked skillful as returners.

I can see the point about Smith being better suited to the outside, I've made the same point in the past. For whatever reason, the staff didn't like him there. Donatell is a pretty accomplished secondary coach and coached Smith his whole time in the NFL.

And Smith pretty much said he tanked under the pressure in Denver.
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