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Old 08-12-2010, 01:50 PM   #1
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Sounds like a must-see documentary. I didn't know anything about the correspondence from Tillman's dad. Here's an excerpt:

"You are a General," Tillman's father writes Jones after being presented with a briefing book of his findings. "There is no way a man like you, with your intelligence, education, military, experience, responsibilities (primarily for difficult situations), and rank... believes the conclusions reached in the March 31, 2005 Briefing Book. But your signature is on it. I assume, therefore, that you are part of this shameless bull****. I embarrassed myself by treating you with respect [on] March 31, 2005. I thought your rank deserved it and anticipated something different from the new and improved investigation. I won't act so hypocritically if we meet again."

"In sum: **** you... and yours."


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My brother saw this at Cannes (film student program) and said it was unfrickinbelievable.
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Shouldnt this be in the politics forum?
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My brother saw this at Cannes (film student program) and said it was unfrickinbelievable.
Nothing produced by Hollywood is "unfrickinbelievable" because you are getting a bunch of garbage amplified in an echo chamber.
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Nothing produced by Hollywood is "unfrickinbelievable" because you are getting a bunch of garbage amplified in an echo chamber.
1) Its a documentary
2) It was obviously done independently if Weinstein bought it.
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Wow sounds awesome, I will for sure watch this.
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Shouldnt this be in the politics forum?
Shouldn't you stop sniveling all over the board?

If I remember correctly, Tillman was a professional football player in the NFL.
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Nothing produced by Hollywood is "unfrickinbelievable" because you are getting a bunch of garbage amplified in an echo chamber.
You don't even have to see the film to have a knee-jerk reaction. Pathetic.
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You don't even have to see the film to have a knee-jerk reaction. Pathetic.


Yeah...I'm sure that this is an impartial "documentary".

You do realize that these are made with a purpose in mind, right?
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You know, that is the one thing I still remember about Jake-the class that he showed about Tillman-what a tragic story though-
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Yeah...I'm sure that this is an impartial "documentary".

You do realize that these are made with a purpose in mind, right?
Having not seen it yet I have no information upon which to base a judgment, and neither do you.

But that doesn't stop you, does it?
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This is the write-up from the Sundance Festival:

Pat Tillman gave up his professional football career to join the Army Rangers in 2002—and became an instant symbol of patriotic fervor and unflinching duty. But the truth about Pat Tillman is far more complex, and ultimately more heroic, than the caricature created by the media. And when the government tried to turn his death into war propaganda, they took on the wrong family. From her home in the Santa Cruz mountains, Pat’s mother, Dannie Tillman, led the family’s crusade to reveal the truth beneath the mythology of their son’s life and death.

Featuring candid and revelatory interviews with Pat's fellow soldiers as well as his family, Amir Bar-Lev’s emotional and insightful film not only shines a light on the shady aftermath of Pat’s death and calls to task the entire chain of command but also examines themes as timeless as the notion of heroism itself.
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Having not seen it yet I have no information upon which to base a judgment, and neither do you.

But that doesn't stop you, does it?
Yeah...that write up sounds like its definitely giving the military a fair shake.

What a loon. If your brain is so fried that you cannot discern the message that the writers and producers of a movie are trying to convey through their product, then you are worse off than I realized.
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Yeah...that write up sounds like its definitely giving the military a fair shake.

What a loon. If your brain is so fried that you cannot discern the message that the writers and producers of a movie are trying to convey through their product, then you are worse off than I realized.
Well, I generally wait until I've seen the product, loon that I am.
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Yeah...I'm sure that this is an impartial "documentary".

You do realize that these are made with a purpose in mind, right?
You're right. I'm sure the Tillman family is completely "impartial" to what happened to their ****ing son.

Christ, you are a ****ing retard.
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This is the write-up from the Sundance Festival:

Pat Tillman gave up his professional football career to join the Army Rangers in 2002óand became an instant symbol of patriotic fervor and unflinching duty. But the truth about Pat Tillman is far more complex, and ultimately more heroic, than the caricature created by the media. And when the government tried to turn his death into war propaganda, they took on the wrong family. From her home in the Santa Cruz mountains, Patís mother, Dannie Tillman, led the familyís crusade to reveal the truth beneath the mythology of their sonís life and death.

Featuring candid and revelatory interviews with Pat's fellow soldiers as well as his family, Amir Bar-Levís emotional and insightful film not only shines a light on the shady aftermath of Patís death and calls to task the entire chain of command but also examines themes as timeless as the notion of heroism itself.
Are the Tillmans from Hollywood? Sure seems like they have an ax to grind, and McStupid told me that the only reason anyone would ever say anything negative about the military is if they're from Hollywood.
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Are the Tillmans from Hollywood? Sure seems like they have an ax to grind, and McStupid told me that the only reason anyone would ever say anything negative about the military is if they're from Hollywood.
If you are asking me to explain the "logic" of the Drama Llama, I'm afraid that's beyond my pay grade.
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I've known a few different people that actually ran into or worked alongside him.

If they don't convey him as a complete a-hole, they're not giving the full truth. Just keep that in mind.

We all know it'll create more drama if he's a saint and the military is the devil. Does anyone expect anything else? Are documentaries supposed to be biased?
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Well, I generally wait until I've seen the product, loon that I am.
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at Tillman gave up his professional football career to join the Army Rangers in 2002óand became an instant symbol of patriotic fervor and unflinching duty. But the truth about Pat Tillman is far more complex, and ultimately more heroic, than the caricature created by the media.
Oh, so Pat Tillman's patriotic heroism was only a product of media spin. His "true" (the producers' interpretation of) heroism is much cooler.

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Yep. The military is evil. Pat Tillmans parents are saints. Amir's film tells us the absolute truth about the military chain of command, doesnt it. Considering he spent all that time in the military, right? I would expect him to be an expert on the subject.

He may have some insight into heroism since he is a storymaker, but his role in this movie is to change it from someone who fights for their country into someone who fights against an evil imperialist regime (the US).

So enlightening.
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Oh, so Pat Tillman's patriotic heroism was only a product of media spin. His "true" (the producers' interpretation of) heroism is much cooler.





Yep. The military is evil. Pat Tillmans parents are saints. Amir's film tells us the absolute truth about the military chain of command, doesnt it. Considering he spent all that time in the military, right? I would expect him to be an expert on the subject.

He may have some insight into heroism since he is a storymaker, but his role in this movie is to change it from someone who fights for their country into someone who fights against an evil imperialist regime (the US).

So enlightening.
Why do you assume the military is infallible. They **** up all the time. They are politically machine as well and will often spin their efforts. Whats your beef?
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I've known a few different people that actually ran into or worked alongside him.

If they don't convey him as a complete a-hole, they're not giving the full truth. Just keep that in mind.

We all know it'll create more drama if he's a saint and the military is the devil. Does anyone expect anything else? Are documentaries supposed to be biased?
What does his being an "a-hole" have to do with the crux of the film? That is - his death and his family's search for the truth.
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Why do you assume the military is infallible. They **** up all the time. They are politically machine as well and will often spin their efforts. Whats your beef?
This is well-known.

My beef was with the description of the film as an unbiased documentary, which is clearly a lie.
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Every documentary is biased. Some more so than others. I don't know enough about the film to comment either way - do you?
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Every documentary is biased. Some more so than others. I don't know enough about the film to comment either way - do you?
Yes.

You can discern the entire purpose of the film for yourself simply by reading information here:

http://tillmanstory.com/site/
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