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Old 08-08-2010, 02:32 AM   #1
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Im sorry Bronco fans. Thats ridiculous.

Ill admit, when I heard there was no Broncos in the Hall a couple years ago, I thought to mysef, how can that be? They have been to the SB as many if not more times as any other team in the NFL. Surely there has to be some hall of Famers in there somewhere. I'm no Bronco historian so I didn't know who it might be. But thought you dont do that well without a few good players along the way.

After Bronco fans started complaining, (I'll say 3 years) ago about no Broncos being in the Hall, all of a sudden there are several Broncos players on the ballot every year. As though the committee realized they should make an effort to get some Broncos in there. I agreed with Elway of course. The guy belongs in the Hall of Fame. Who's gonna argue that point? But I'm gonna tell ya, and it's not going to be popular, any RB that runs for no more than 6500 yards in his carreer dont belong. I dont care if he did it in 2 years.

I personally dont believe TD belongs either, But that is more debatable than Little. I dont think TD did it long enough.

Last night, 2 RBs went into the Hall. Emmitt Smith with over 18,000 yards and Floyd Little with 6500 yards. Reeeeeeediculous

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Good lord...you obviously never saw this dude play, or if you did you were to young to know what you were looking at.

Try this on for size; at the time of his retirement, Little, who led the NFL in rushing during his 6 year career, retired as the 7th leading rusher in NFL history up to that point, with all 6 above him already in the HOF. He did this behind a line that was mostly swiss cheese and nowhere in the same stratosphere compared to the mammoth maulers Emmit Smith ran behind. Watch the films. Some of Little's best runs were just getting back to the LOS. Had this guy played in Miami or Dallas, he'd have dazzled the NFL like few before him and the entire country would think he belongs in Canton. Without Little, the Broncos would have never stayed in Denver, and Elway would be in the HOF as something else...who knows what but it wouldn't have been in Denver. Little was the franchise, pure and simple.
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Try this on for size; at the time of his retirement, Little, who led the NFL in rushing during his 6 year career, retired as the 7th leading rusher in NFL history up to that point, with all 6 above him already in the HOF.
Exactly. Little's accomplishments need to be put in historical context.
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It's been said dozens of times, but it should be said again. He saved the Broncos.
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In this fantasy football stat crazed world of 2010 Floyd's stats do seem like they don't measure up to more recent greats like Emmitt Smith. But you have to look beyond the stats to see what a great player Floyd was.

If you want to look at numbers - how about these? Floyd played in a 14 game regular season era; the nfl has played 16 game regular seasons since 1978. Any modern running back plays in more games. Floyd never got the chance to play in any playoff games as most other hall of fame running backs have. That further reduces his yardage totals. Emmitt Smith had fullback Moose Johnson and other all pros blocking for him; Floyd had players like fullback Mike Kellogg in front of him - Floyd never had a pro bowl offensive lineman or fullback on his team.

1967 was the first year of the common NFL/AFL draft. Last night the fact was stated that Floyd was the broncos first #1 draft choice to sign with the team. Honestly, if the NFL/AFL still had separate drafts in 1967, Floyd wouldn't have ended up in Denver. The AFL probably would have arranged it so he played for the Jets (Floyd was popular in New York after his stellar career at Syracuse) - just like the AFL did a couple of years earlier in seeing to it that Joe Namath was drafted by the Jets to keep Namath away from the rival NFL. Put Floyd on the powerful Jets teams of the late 60's and we are not having this conversation - he would have been in the Hall long ago.

If you weren't fortunate to see Floyd play in person like I was, just look at the old highlight reels of his many great runs. He was such a multipurpose threat - not only a great runner but also a good receiver out of the backfield and a dangerous punt/kickoff returner. And he was such an inspirational leader. Though his bronco teams were far less talented than the Jets teams of the late 60's, Floyd led the Broncos to two upset victories over New York (handing the Jets one of their few losses in the Super Bowl year, and beating the Jets again the next year in Denver)

When Floyd was drafted by Denver he didn't complain. The running back taken one pick after him in the 1967 draft (Mel Farr of UCLA) had a different attitude. Farr had stated at the time he wouldn't sign with Denver if drafted by the Broncos.

I've posted this video clip before - the story of the game when Lou Saban "fired" Floyd. It sums up the never-give-up attitude and tremendous talent of Floyd Little.

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Im sorry Bronco fans. Thats ridiculous.

Ill admit, when I heard there was no Broncos in the Hall a couple years ago, I thought to mysef, how can that be? They have been to the SB as many if not more times as any other team in the NFL. Surely there has to be some hall of Famers in there somewhere. I'm no Bronco historian so I didn't know who it might be. But thought you dont do that well without a few good players along the way.

After Bronco fans started complaining, (I'll say 3 years) ago about no Broncos being in the Hall, all of a sudden there are several Broncos players on the ballot every year. As though the committee realized they should make an effort to get some Broncos in there. I agreed with Elway of course. The guy belongs in the Hall of Fame. Who's gonna argue that point? But I'm gonna tell ya, and it's not going to be popular, any RB that runs for no more than 6500 yards in his carreer dont belong. I dont care if he did it in 2 years.

I personally dont believe TD belongs either, But that is more debatable than Little. I dont think TD did it long enough.

Last night, 2 RBs went into the Hall. Emmitt Smith with over 18,000 yards and Floyd Little with 6500 yards. Reeeeeeediculous

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I'm sure there are chiefs in the hof that played at the same time as Floyd Little. Are you saying they are more deserving than Floyd Little?
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I'm sure there are chiefs in the hof that played at the same time as Floyd Little. Are you saying they are more deserving than Floyd Little?
I didn't start the thread as a pissing contest between the Chiefs and Broncos. Im saying exactly what is written in the post. There is no way in Hell that Floyd Little belongs in the Hall of Fame. Forget the Chiefs, there are other Broncos more deserving than he is IMO. Let's put it that way.

To say that "he saved the franchise is by no means criteria for the Hall. It's more a statement of the state of the Broncos in that era. Mike Vick was "the franchise" for the Falcons. No way he's a HOFer either.

I understand that in those days there were 14 game seasons. But the guy averaged under 4 yards a carry for his carreer. The most catches he had in a season was 40 or 41 and I dont think he broke 30 after that. His carries were low, his yards were low, his catches were low as an "all purpose threat", he had 2 TDs in his whole carreer as a KR and a PR and he had under 6500 yards rushing in 9 years playing in the NFL.

The Hall is for the best of all time. Im not gonna say that he's the only one in there that doesn't belong. But he's one of them.

I realize I'm in the wrong place for a realistic debate here on this topic. But if you guys want to think about this for a second, look at all the other Bronco players that you think should be in the Hall of Fame. Is this really the next best guy?

I mean Priest Holmes blows this dude out of the water in every category and did it longer and better. Does he belong in the HOF? Hell no. The HOF is for the best that ever played the game. Not to be watered down by names like Floyd Little. I mean, the guy had 1-1000 yard season in his entire NFL stint. 5 of his 9 seasons he gained less that 750 yards a year. Thats just over 50 yards a game. 4 of those years he averaged under 40 yards per game.

Im sure his numbers were ranked where they were because of his longevity and not the quality of his play. I mean, 50+ yards a game only twice in a 9 year carreer? C'mon people.
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When talk about HOF I always think numbers don't mean anything, because there are to many things that need be factored in. The central question in my mind is always the same "Did that player dominate his era when compared to his peers". That why I believe Bettis shouldn't get in and players like TD should. Bettis had long career and good numbers, but I would never consider him the best running back of his time in the league. For Little he was a player that argument could be made that he was the standard in late 60s and early 70s.
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First of all, crazyhorse, it's no-class to start this thread today. But, I've come to expect that from you. So, up your's.

Second, not only are you no-class, you're ignorant. No-class is a factor of your upbringing and probably incorrectable, a life-long affliction. Being ignorant is a fault all your own. There's plenty of resources out there you could have used to mitigate your ignorance on this subject, but instead you decided to pop off from a position of ignorance.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...L/LittFl00.htm

6405 rushing yds is still 62nd all time. Do you understand that, does it put it into perspective?

1661 rushing attempts is still 55th all time. Get it?

All purpose yds, 69th all time.

Total touches, 47th all time.

And, if you look at his rankings for the offensive and return categories during his playing years he was usually in the top five, and never out of the top ten. That's a real big deal to people that know football.
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As long as people like Doak Walker and Paul Hornung are in, then Little deserves to be there as well, he played in a time where the medical standards were far below what they are today and in a time when defense was favoured much much more than it is today.
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Wait, weren't you the Chiefs fan who got a sticky on here by the head mod and many Broncos fans were kind to you? And now you are trolling the message board? Shame on you.
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I didn't start the thread as a pissing contest . . . .
Again, it's no-class to bring this up today.

And not only was Floyd Little the best to play the game in his era, his stats still stack up well compared to all those that have played. He deserves to be in the HOF, period.

This is why the "old-timers" part of the HOF induction committee was formed, so the old-timers that added so much to the modern NFL don't slip through the cracks.
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You seem to be keen on comparing the 1990's-2000's to 1960's-1970's(comparing Emmitt to Floyd), but those were two very different era's of football. Floyd led the league in rushing from 1968-1973, averaging probably around 900 yards for the season(read that to yourself again, LED THE LEAGUE WITH 900 yards rushing). Floyd averaged about 180 attempts per season, Emmitt about 300 per season. If Floyd would've gotten the attempts and played in a different era of football, you bet your ass he would've had similar or better stats than Emmitt. You're just simply not comparing apples to apples here.

If we use your thought process, then the same thing could be said for Len Dawson. He shouldn't be in the HOF because he only has 28,711 passing yards, right below Rich Gannon.

Do yourself a favor a read this article. Obviously in your world of stats, Don Hutson shouldn't even sniff the HOF because of his weak 488 receptions.....

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...html?eref=sihp
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I didn't start the thread as a pissing contest between the Chiefs and Broncos. Im saying exactly what is written in the post. There is no way in Hell that Floyd Little belongs in the Hall of Fame. Forget the Chiefs, there are other Broncos more deserving than he is IMO. Let's put it that way.

To say that "he saved the franchise is by no means criteria for the Hall. It's more a statement of the state of the Broncos in that era. Mike Vick was "the franchise" for the Falcons. No way he's a HOFer either.

I understand that in those days there were 14 game seasons. But the guy averaged under 4 yards a carry for his carreer. The most catches he had in a season was 40 or 41 and I dont think he broke 30 after that. His carries were low, his yards were low, his catches were low as an "all purpose threat", he had 2 TDs in his whole carreer as a KR and a PR and he had under 6500 yards rushing in 9 years playing in the NFL.

The Hall is for the best of all time. Im not gonna say that he's the only one in there that doesn't belong. But he's one of them.

I realize I'm in the wrong place for a realistic debate here on this topic. But if you guys want to think about this for a second, look at all the other Bronco players that you think should be in the Hall of Fame. Is this really the next best guy?

I mean Priest Holmes blows this dude out of the water in every category and did it longer and better. Does he belong in the HOF? Hell no. The HOF is for the best that ever played the game. Not to be watered down by names like Floyd Little. I mean, the guy had 1-1000 yard season in his entire NFL stint. 5 of his 9 seasons he gained less that 750 yards a year. Thats just over 50 yards a game. 4 of those years he averaged under 40 yards per game.

Im sure his numbers were ranked where they were because of his longevity and not the quality of his play. I mean, 50+ yards a game only twice in a 9 year carreer? C'mon people.
This is what happens when you sell out to the stat gods...absurdity.

Your arguments cannot cancel out the fact that he led the entire NFL in rushing for 6 years and retired with only 6 players in the NFL's 50+ years ahead of him on the all time rushing list. How do you keep a guy out of the HOF when only 6 backs before him rushed for more yardage and all of them are in the Hall?...let alone that he did this on one of the NFL's worst teams? You can't.

You're lacking in historical perspective about the changes in the game. Stats today are hugely inflated due to NFL rule changes that favor the offensive side of the ball. Go look at other HOF players stats in his era...Lynn Swann's receiving stats for example. He played 9 years just like Little, and Swann averaged 606 yards receiving per year on a measly (by today's standards) 336 career receptions. Those numbers wouldn't even get him a starting job on any team in the league today.

Oh yeah, guess who else shouldn't be in there by your logic...Len Dawson.
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When talk about HOF I always think numbers don't mean anything, because there are to many things that need be factored in. The central question in my mind is always the same "Did that player dominate his era when compared to his peers". That why I believe Bettis shouldn't get in and players like TD should. Bettis had long career and good numbers, but I would never consider him the best running back of his time in the league. For Little he was a player that argument could be made that he was the standard in late 60s and early 70s.

40 yards a game the standard? TD over Bettis? You're nuts.

No offense.
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Good lord...you obviously never saw this dude play, or if you did you were to young to know what you were looking at.

Try this on for size; at the time of his retirement, Little, who led the NFL in rushing during his 6 year career, retired as the 7th leading rusher in NFL history up to that point, with all 6 above him already in the HOF. He did this behind a line that was mostly swiss cheese and nowhere in the same stratosphere compared to the mammoth maulers Emmit Smith ran behind. Watch the films. Some of Little's best runs were just getting back to the LOS. Had this guy played in Miami or Dallas, he'd have dazzled the NFL like few before him and the entire country would think he belongs in Canton. Without Little, the Broncos would have never stayed in Denver, and Elway would be in the HOF as something else...who knows what but it wouldn't have been in Denver. Little was the franchise, pure and simple.
Well said.....also I can remember a fake pitch to Floyd took half the defence with him.
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You don't gauge guys like Floyd Little with today's NFL statistics.

You gauge guys like him with his peers and within the historical context of the game in that era.

When you do that, you realize he belongs in the Hall of Fame....as footstepsfrom#27 succinctly points out.

I'm kind of surprised that you aren't able to comprehend that.
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And now you are TROLLING the message board. Never has someone fallen so far in my estimation.
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Im sorry Bronco fans. Thats ridiculous.

Ill admit, when I heard there was no Broncos in the Hall a couple years ago, I thought to mysef, how can that be? They have been to the SB as many if not more times as any other team in the NFL. Surely there has to be some hall of Famers in there somewhere. I'm no Bronco historian so I didn't know who it might be. But thought you dont do that well without a few good players along the way.

After Bronco fans started complaining, (I'll say 3 years) ago about no Broncos being in the Hall, all of a sudden there are several Broncos players on the ballot every year. As though the committee realized they should make an effort to get some Broncos in there. I agreed with Elway of course. The guy belongs in the Hall of Fame. Who's gonna argue that point? But I'm gonna tell ya, and it's not going to be popular, any RB that runs for no more than 6500 yards in his carreer dont belong. I dont care if he did it in 2 years.

I personally dont believe TD belongs either, But that is more debatable than Little. I dont think TD did it long enough.

Last night, 2 RBs went into the Hall. Emmitt Smith with over 18,000 yards and Floyd Little with 6500 yards. Reeeeeeediculous

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No kidding. We have one guy only, crazyhorse, only one guy from our rival fans no-class enough to bag on Floyd Little the day after his HOF induction ceremony. And he starts a thread about it.

I would never do something like this on a Chief board, and I hope no Bronco fan ever stoops that low to do so. Hell, crazyhorse even stooped so low as to post in the HOF induction thread Floyd Little didn't deserve to be in the HOF.
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As stated above, he was the franchise and he led in rushing a lot of years. If you are in love with stats (which never tell the whole story) beginning in 70, after merger, he beat out Czonka most years in overall stats, Leroy Kelly, Mercury Morris, Franco Harris. He tied with OJ Simpson for most rushing TD's the year OJ went over 2000. He had his year where he finished with tops in most yards, most attempts, etc. It's a matter of the era, you cannot compare it to the game now. That's why he should have been inducted long ago.

And if I might be a bit pissy, he belongs there more than Thomas.
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