10 rookies who'll stink - The Orange Mane

TonyR · 07-22-2010, 06:05 AM

Nothing much to see here, but what else is there to talk about?

Demaryius Thomas, Broncos WR
Thomas ran only the most basic routes coming out of Georgia Tech's flexbone offense, rarely cutting or changing direction. Missing out on offseason practices, therefore, was more problematic to Thomas than it would have been for most first-round receivers.
“Bay-Bay" does offer a tremendous size/speed package as a situational deep threat and red-zone weapon for the Broncos. Still, it’s going to take at least a year or two before he can consistently beat NFL corners to the point where he can be considered a viable No. 1 receiver.

Tim Tebow, Broncos QB
Tebow has a lot going for him, not the least of which are an impeccable college career, an unquestioned work ethic, and one of the game's best teachers in Josh McDaniels. On the flip side, he also entered the league lacking in several basic NFL quarterback skills.
Tebow will play. Similar to his freshman season at Florida, Tebow will offer the Broncos a different look on goal-line packages. The rest of his rookie season will be spent watching Kyle Orton learning how to read defenses, adjust his mechanics and develop arm strength. Whether or not Tebow becomes a star at this level, we’re at least a year from finding out.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/383538.../?beginSlide=1

Meanwhile, on the 10 rookies who will shine list:

Dez Bryant, Cowboys WR
This top-five talent tumbled in the draft due to rumors of tardiness at Oklahoma St. When the rest of the NFL passed on the draft’s best offensive player, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones pounced. Bryant immediately turned heads in post-draft practices.
The Cowboys are pushing Bryant into a big role as a rookie. It will be even bigger once they realize that Roy Williams doesn’t hold a candle to the rookie's explosiveness off the line, hands, and catch radius. This is a high-impact player in what may be the league’s most dominant offense throughout 2010.

I really hope the Broncos didn't blow it passing on Bryant.

TonyR · 07-22-2010, 06:19 AM

Here's another Tebow piece.

Thinking ahead to Tebow Time

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/07/21/thin...to-tebow-time/

Rabb · 07-22-2010, 06:20 AM

mark my words, Bryant is going to be suspended for one reason or another by season 3...I think we did well by passing

gunns · 07-22-2010, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyR

Nothing much to see here, but what else is there to talk about?

Demaryius Thomas, Broncos WR
Thomas ran only the most basic routes coming out of Georgia Tech's flexbone offense, rarely cutting or changing direction. Missing out on offseason practices, therefore, was more problematic to Thomas than it would have been for most first-round receivers.
“Bay-Bay" does offer a tremendous size/speed package as a situational deep threat and red-zone weapon for the Broncos. Still, it’s going to take at least a year or two before he can consistently beat NFL corners to the point where he can be considered a viable No. 1 receiver.

Tim Tebow, Broncos QB
Tebow has a lot going for him, not the least of which are an impeccable college career, an unquestioned work ethic, and one of the game's best teachers in Josh McDaniels. On the flip side, he also entered the league lacking in several basic NFL quarterback skills.
Tebow will play. Similar to his freshman season at Florida, Tebow will offer the Broncos a different look on goal-line packages. The rest of his rookie season will be spent watching Kyle Orton learning how to read defenses, adjust his mechanics and develop arm strength. Whether or not Tebow becomes a star at this level, we’re at least a year from finding out.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/383538.../?beginSlide=1

Meanwhile, on the 10 rookies who will shine list:

Dez Bryant, Cowboys WR
This top-five talent tumbled in the draft due to rumors of tardiness at Oklahoma St. When the rest of the NFL passed on the draft’s best offensive player, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones pounced. Bryant immediately turned heads in post-draft practices.
The Cowboys are pushing Bryant into a big role as a rookie. It will be even bigger once they realize that Roy Williams doesn’t hold a candle to the rookie's explosiveness off the line, hands, and catch radius. This is a high-impact player in what may be the league’s most dominant offense throughout 2010.

I really hope the Broncos didn't blow it passing on Bryant.

They blew it by taking any WR in the first round. I do believe in the end that Decker will prove more valuable than Thomas which is the usual way of a 1st round drafted WR.

jhns · 07-22-2010, 06:29 AM

McDaniels would look like even more of a joke if he drafted Dez. His entire message about good personality and team first players would go right out the window. I'm sure the dumb fans here would still buy his bull on why he gave away young pro bowlers but the players would start calling BS. Dez was late to practices and games. Every one that talked to him before the draft reported that he had the same attitude problems as most of the diva receivers.

It isn't like McDaniels is really agaist this type of player as he drafted Cox. He just backed himself into a corner and doesn't get to get good players that have character issues now. At least not any that want money. The Cox pick at least can be spun into it being easy to dump a low round pick. That spin doesn't really work when dealing with first round picks.

TonyR · 07-22-2010, 06:40 AM

Second year running backs offer opportunity for fantasy value
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 21, 2010 12:21 PM ET
Last year's fantasy disappointments often become this year's best values.

The 2009 rookie running back was arguably the worst of the last decade in top-tier talent, failing to contain a 1,000-yard rusher or top-20 fantasy running back. The Rotoworld online draft guide projects the group to perform much better this year.

Shonn Green will get plenty of hype, but we still see him as an excellent late second-round value. Beanie Wells and Knowshon Moreno are better positioned for success this year than a year ago; both look like high ceiling RB2s that you can take in rounds three or four. (Moreno especially is getting overlooked.)

LeSean McCoy could put up Brian Westbrook-lite numbers for PPR leaguers, while Fantasy Nation has essentially given up on Donald Brown after one year. We haven't; you could do a lot worse for a mid-to-late round RB4 pick.

Remember that running backs retain trade value better than other positions, so you want to draft quality depth.

And of course, you can get complete projections to all of the runners above and other post-hype favorites, tiers, customizable scoring and all the rest at Rotoworld's award-winning online draft guide.

Until the next time we plug the thing, please help control the pet population. Have your pet spayed or neutered.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...fantasy-value/

Garcia Bronco · 07-22-2010, 06:43 AM

"On the flip side, he also entered the league lacking in several basic NFL quarterback skills."

What are these "several basic skills"? Converting O2 to CO2?

TonyR · 07-22-2010, 06:44 AM

NFL's worst offseason moves:

5. Redskins switch to 3-4 defense
The 3-4 scheme is new coach Mike Shanahan's preference and has a successful track record, but the change in Washington was unnecessary. The ’Skins already had a top-10 defense, and the switch alienated their best defender -- Albert Haynesworth. While outside linebacker Brian Orakpo is a good fit for the new system, bookend Andre Carter's effectiveness is now in doubt.

8. Rest of league lets Dallas get Dez Bryant
Skipping college classes (didn't we all?) was essentially the extent of Bryant's transgressions at Oklahoma State, but reports of "consistent tardiness" and a so-so Pro Day were enough to “Randy Moss” Bryant all the way to pick No. 24.

The Cowboys smartly traded up for the Andre Johnson-like talent, and inserted Bryant with their first-team three-receiver set in OTAs. Bryant, Jason Witten, and Miles Austin are going to form a wildly productive pass-catching corps for a long time.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/38349607/ns/sports-nfl/

cmhargrove · 07-22-2010, 06:47 AM

Wow, I read that concise piece of journalism and now I am convinced!

They also list Taylor Mays and Dexter McCluster on the "stink list." I think that both of those guys ahve a chance to contribute. Actually McCluster scares me because he could very well be the next Dante Hall that gashes us a couple times a year.

Taylor Mays is probably behind mentally, but it's almost scary thinking of what he could become under Singletery. He could easily develop into the next bone crushing NFL safety if his job is kept simple (by the talent around him).

Oh well, training camp is almost here - only a few more of these dumb lists.

dbfan21 · 07-22-2010, 07:14 AM

Who the heck is Chris Wesseling? Some wannabe writer working from the basement of his grandma's house in West Virginia? Please! To say they will stink is pretty bold...especially since teams have spent hours and hours scouting, interviewing and discussing these players.

For the record, Chris' article stinks.

OABB · 07-22-2010, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhns

McDaniels would look like even more of a joke if he drafted Dez. His entire message about good personality and team first players would go right out the window. I'm sure the dumb fans here would still buy his bull on why he gave away young pro bowlers but the players would start calling BS. Dez was late to practices and games. Every one that talked to him before the draft reported that he had the same attitude problems as most of the diva receivers.

It isn't like McDaniels is really agaist this type of player as he drafted Cox. He just backed himself into a corner and doesn't get to get good players that have character issues now. At least not any that want money. The Cox pick at least can be spun into it being easy to dump a low round pick. That spin doesn't really work when dealing with first round picks.

You are going to make this season very special for me. I believe we go 11 and 5 and win a playoff game this year. It wil be fun watching you squirm and backtrack. Thank you.

jhns · 07-22-2010, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orangeandblueblooded

You are going to make this season very special for me. I believe we go 11 and 5 and win a playoff game this year. It wil be fun watching you squirm and backtrack. Thank you.

I hope you are right. I have no need to squirm and backtrack though. I can easily erase posts where I was wrong and deny everything.

Tombstone RJ · 07-22-2010, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunns

They blew it by taking any WR in the first round. I do believe in the end that Decker will prove more valuable than Thomas which is the usual way of a 1st round drafted WR.

Your just dazzled by Deckers good looks. Thomas has way more upside.

Tombstone RJ · 07-22-2010, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhns

I hope you are right. I have no need to squirm and backtrack though. I can easily erase posts where I was wrong and deny everything.

TheElusiveKyleOrton · 07-22-2010, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

Did he really say that? ROFL.

jhiz: forever a joke.

Rulon Velvet Jones · 07-22-2010, 08:32 AM

Dez Bryant is borderline retarded.

ZachKC · 07-22-2010, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McRulon McVelvet McJones

Dez Bryant is borderline retarded.

You can be that way and still be a pretty damn good NFL player. It is the Frank Gore rule or something like that.

Hogan11 · 07-22-2010, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbfan21

Who the heck is Chris Wesseling? Some wannabe writer working from the basement of his grandma's house in West Virginia? Please! To say they will stink is pretty bold...especially since teams have spent hours and hours scouting, interviewing and discussing these players.

For the record, Chris' article stinks.

This...it needs to be taken with a punch of salt, if at all.

Bigdawg26 · 07-22-2010, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhns

McDaniels would look like even more of a joke if he drafted Dez. His entire message about good personality and team first players would go right out the window. I'm sure the dumb fans here would still buy his bull on why he gave away young pro bowlers but the players would start calling BS. Dez was late to practices and games. Every one that talked to him before the draft reported that he had the same attitude problems as most of the diva receivers.

It isn't like McDaniels is really agaist this type of player as he drafted Cox. He just backed himself into a corner and doesn't get to get good players that have character issues now. At least not any that want money. The Cox pick at least can be spun into it being easy to dump a low round pick. That spin doesn't really work when dealing with first round picks.

So true lol!! But the only problem I had with the article is that the said he would learn under Kyle Orton!

gunns · 07-22-2010, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

Your just dazzled by Deckers good looks. Thomas has way more upside.

While yes I think that boy is fine, I thought he would be better before I saw how absolutely fine he was. He was projected for the first round before the injury and he is very good. There are more very good WR's taken in later rounds than in the 1st round. It's more me thinking the norm will play out.

SonOfLe-loLang · 07-22-2010, 09:17 AM

Im still not sure what "basic skills" Tebow is missing. He had a funky motion. What other basic skills is he missing?

Popps · 07-22-2010, 09:18 AM

On the flip side, he also entered the league lacking in several basic NFL quarterback skills.

Yea, because most rookies come into the league with all NFL QB skills completely in tact.

Good point.

cmhargrove · 07-22-2010, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

Im still not sure what "basic skills" Tebow is missing. He had a funky motion. What other basic skills is he missing?

Its rumored that he lacks certain carnal skills, but give the boy time - when he finally unloads it should be historic.

outdoor_miner · 07-22-2010, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhns

I have no need to squirm and backtrack though. I can easily erase posts where I was wrong and deny everything.

Dude - your post count would go back to like 0.

underrated29 · 07-22-2010, 09:36 AM

I have hopes for decker but really, the dude is Never healthy. His greatest asset is that he catches Everything. Everything....Other than that he is bigger and strong, not real fast and Never healthy. Ever.

Sure he takes a beating and keeps on trucking, which I love him for, but we might have a case of darius watts on our hands here only in reverse.

Watts healthy, overhyped, couldnt catch a cold. Out of the league in 3yrs
Decker, never healthy, overhyped, caught herpes from someones hic up.

07-22-2010, 06:05 AM	#1
TonyR Franchise Poster Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mid-Atlantic Posts: 15,593	10 rookies who'll stink Nothing much to see here, but what else is there to talk about? Demaryius Thomas, Broncos WR Thomas ran only the most basic routes coming out of Georgia Tech's flexbone offense, rarely cutting or changing direction. Missing out on offseason practices, therefore, was more problematic to Thomas than it would have been for most first-round receivers. “Bay-Bay" does offer a tremendous size/speed package as a situational deep threat and red-zone weapon for the Broncos. Still, it’s going to take at least a year or two before he can consistently beat NFL corners to the point where he can be considered a viable No. 1 receiver. Tim Tebow, Broncos QB Tebow has a lot going for him, not the least of which are an impeccable college career, an unquestioned work ethic, and one of the game's best teachers in Josh McDaniels. On the flip side, he also entered the league lacking in several basic NFL quarterback skills. Tebow will play. Similar to his freshman season at Florida, Tebow will offer the Broncos a different look on goal-line packages. The rest of his rookie season will be spent watching Kyle Orton learning how to read defenses, adjust his mechanics and develop arm strength. Whether or not Tebow becomes a star at this level, we’re at least a year from finding out. http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/383538.../?beginSlide=1 Meanwhile, on the 10 rookies who will shine list: Dez Bryant, Cowboys WR This top-five talent tumbled in the draft due to rumors of tardiness at Oklahoma St. When the rest of the NFL passed on the draft’s best offensive player, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones pounced. Bryant immediately turned heads in post-draft practices. The Cowboys are pushing Bryant into a big role as a rookie. It will be even bigger once they realize that Roy Williams doesn’t hold a candle to the rookie's explosiveness off the line, hands, and catch radius. This is a high-impact player in what may be the league’s most dominant offense throughout 2010. I really hope the Broncos didn't blow it passing on Bryant.

07-22-2010, 06:29 AM	#5
jhns I'm all up in your face but you still can't C me! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Omaha Posts: 12,405 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	McDaniels would look like even more of a joke if he drafted Dez. His entire message about good personality and team first players would go right out the window. I'm sure the dumb fans here would still buy his bull on why he gave away young pro bowlers but the players would start calling BS. Dez was late to practices and games. Every one that talked to him before the draft reported that he had the same attitude problems as most of the diva receivers. It isn't like McDaniels is really agaist this type of player as he drafted Cox. He just backed himself into a corner and doesn't get to get good players that have character issues now. At least not any that want money. The Cox pick at least can be spun into it being easy to dump a low round pick. That spin doesn't really work when dealing with first round picks. Last edited by jhns; 07-22-2010 at 06:32 AM..

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07-22-2010, 06:19 AM	#2
TonyR Franchise Poster Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mid-Atlantic Posts: 15,593	Here's another Tebow piece. Thinking ahead to Tebow Time http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/07/21/thin...to-tebow-time/

07-22-2010, 06:20 AM	#3
Rabb Zombie Slayer Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5,258 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	mark my words, Bryant is going to be suspended for one reason or another by season 3...I think we did well by passing

07-22-2010, 06:40 AM	#6
TonyR Franchise Poster Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mid-Atlantic Posts: 15,593	Second year running backs offer opportunity for fantasy value Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 21, 2010 12:21 PM ET Last year's fantasy disappointments often become this year's best values. The 2009 rookie running back was arguably the worst of the last decade in top-tier talent, failing to contain a 1,000-yard rusher or top-20 fantasy running back. The Rotoworld online draft guide projects the group to perform much better this year. Shonn Green will get plenty of hype, but we still see him as an excellent late second-round value. Beanie Wells and Knowshon Moreno are better positioned for success this year than a year ago; both look like high ceiling RB2s that you can take in rounds three or four. (Moreno especially is getting overlooked.) LeSean McCoy could put up Brian Westbrook-lite numbers for PPR leaguers, while Fantasy Nation has essentially given up on Donald Brown after one year. We haven't; you could do a lot worse for a mid-to-late round RB4 pick. Remember that running backs retain trade value better than other positions, so you want to draft quality depth. And of course, you can get complete projections to all of the runners above and other post-hype favorites, tiers, customizable scoring and all the rest at Rotoworld's award-winning online draft guide. Until the next time we plug the thing, please help control the pet population. Have your pet spayed or neutered. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...fantasy-value/

07-22-2010, 06:43 AM	#7
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,991 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	"On the flip side, he also entered the league lacking in several basic NFL quarterback skills." What are these "several basic skills"? Converting O2 to CO2?

07-22-2010, 06:44 AM	#8
TonyR Franchise Poster Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mid-Atlantic Posts: 15,593	NFL's worst offseason moves: 5. Redskins switch to 3-4 defense The 3-4 scheme is new coach Mike Shanahan's preference and has a successful track record, but the change in Washington was unnecessary. The ’Skins already had a top-10 defense, and the switch alienated their best defender -- Albert Haynesworth. While outside linebacker Brian Orakpo is a good fit for the new system, bookend Andre Carter's effectiveness is now in doubt. 8. Rest of league lets Dallas get Dez Bryant Skipping college classes (didn't we all?) was essentially the extent of Bryant's transgressions at Oklahoma State, but reports of "consistent tardiness" and a so-so Pro Day were enough to “Randy Moss” Bryant all the way to pick No. 24. The Cowboys smartly traded up for the Andre Johnson-like talent, and inserted Bryant with their first-team three-receiver set in OTAs. Bryant, Jason Witten, and Miles Austin are going to form a wildly productive pass-catching corps for a long time. http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/38349607/ns/sports-nfl/

07-22-2010, 06:47 AM	#9
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,411 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	Wow, I read that concise piece of journalism and now I am convinced! They also list Taylor Mays and Dexter McCluster on the "stink list." I think that both of those guys ahve a chance to contribute. Actually McCluster scares me because he could very well be the next Dante Hall that gashes us a couple times a year. Taylor Mays is probably behind mentally, but it's almost scary thinking of what he could become under Singletery. He could easily develop into the next bone crushing NFL safety if his job is kept simple (by the talent around him). Oh well, training camp is almost here - only a few more of these dumb lists.

07-22-2010, 07:14 AM	#10
dbfan21 Broncos Fan in Florida Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 2,182 Adopt-a-Bronco: Pat Bowlen	Who the heck is Chris Wesseling? Some wannabe writer working from the basement of his grandma's house in West Virginia? Please! To say they will stink is pretty bold...especially since teams have spent hours and hours scouting, interviewing and discussing these players. For the record, Chris' article stinks.

07-22-2010, 08:32 AM	#16
Rulon Velvet Jones You're not really here. Tight Butthole Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 6,597 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rent-A-DC	Dez Bryant is borderline retarded.

07-22-2010, 09:17 AM	#21
SonOfLe-loLang Young Buck Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 13,235 Adopt-a-Bronco: Thunder (RIP)	Im still not sure what "basic skills" Tebow is missing. He had a funky motion. What other basic skills is he missing?

07-22-2010, 09:18 AM	#22
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,786	On the flip side, he also entered the league lacking in several basic NFL quarterback skills. Yea, because most rookies come into the league with all NFL QB skills completely in tact. Good point.

07-22-2010, 09:36 AM	#25
underrated29 10-6 baby. Cutler doesnt suck Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,851 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I have hopes for decker but really, the dude is Never healthy. His greatest asset is that he catches Everything. Everything....Other than that he is bigger and strong, not real fast and Never healthy. Ever. Sure he takes a beating and keeps on trucking, which I love him for, but we might have a case of darius watts on our hands here only in reverse. Watts healthy, overhyped, couldnt catch a cold. Out of the league in 3yrs Decker, never healthy, overhyped, caught herpes from someones hic up.